Jobs to middle class

Bidwell
Bidwell

On average:
1960s - 6th grade education and one can go into middle class
1970s to 1980s - High School education and one can get into middle class
1990s to 2003~ - Any undergrad degree and one can get into middle class
2004~ - 2012~ - Any Trade School, Engineering, CS, other specific undergrad degrees like Business could get you into middle class
2013~ - Current - Specific Trade School; Undergrad: Engineering, CS, maybe business finance/Accounting; Have to get a Masters/MBA for other specific degrees. Can eventually get into middle class after working and paying off college debt

How come getting a job in job market is getting harder and harder? Is middle class just a dream now?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

paying off college debt
college debt
paying for your education

lmao

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

women join the workforce (more supply, i.e. wages drop)
globalization (outsourcing, H1B visas, international competitions, etc., i.e. wages drop)
technological progress (jobs can be done or at least be supported by technology)

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Is middle class just a dream now?

As an employee most are fucked, the share of GDP going to employees peaked in the 1950s. Got to be the BOSS.

DeathDog
DeathDog

Training to become a male nurse here (don't laugh plz), how fucked am I?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Not as fucked as most

Skullbone
Skullbone

Automation and digitalization, mostly.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

only memecoins can get you to the middle class now

w8t4u
w8t4u

Yes, the middle class no longer exists and is a meme.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

should i join a vocational school

Emberburn
Emberburn

working
buy DOPE nigga.

Soft_member
Soft_member

How come getting a job in job market is getting harder and harder? Is middle class just a dream now?

It used to be that manufacturing was the ladder from the lower to the lower-middle class, but that was wipe out in the West due to conscious decisions (ie, neoliberal policies, free trade agreements, exporting jobs to low labor wage nations, cultural efforts to depict blue collar work as inherently lesser than white collar, etc.)

I strongly urge reading "Made in the USA: The Rise and Retreat of American Manufacturing" by Vaclav Smil for a better picture of what this looks like. The general principle applies in Europe.

You'll notice Germany and the Swiss have partially escaped this through Mittelstands and highly-developed apprenticeship programs.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Is middle class just a dream now?
Umm, idk what third world country your writing from but here in Europe you don't need to do these things to be middle class

DeathDog
DeathDog

NAFTA.

I make 25k a year why would I want a house or a family one day

whereismyname
whereismyname

If you believe Trump is going to bring the jobs back yes.
Machinist, tech vocations involving hands on assembly/repair of technical equipment used in factories/hospitals, bulding trades for those who don't mind busting your ass

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

If you believe Trump is going to bring the jobs back yes.
those jobs never left.
maintaining and on-site assembling are still things, they always have been.

You're thinking of manufacturing. Not just manufacturing, but manufacturing from 70 years ago. Those jobs don't require vocational school and they're not coming back.

Snarelure
Snarelure

So you don't think Trump can (or will)cut deals like the one India cut with Apple IPhones or bring manufacturing back with tariffs from China Mexico ect

JunkTop
JunkTop

Not him, but no. Not to the scale necessary to satisfy the population.

Plus, you have to account for:
a) Automation of these jobs. Robots are cheaper and more efficient for car assembly than line workers
b) Taxation and spending. Building on a), why hire workers that you have to insure and deal with additional onerous regulations, when you have robots?
c) Costs. Bringing back those jobs doesn't mean they're cheaper. Pajeet in India can and will still do it for a lower cost than Joe in the US. Someone has to swallow the labor cost because Joe wants a higher wage and lives in the US of A. The company would probably pass it onto the consumer. Or we would have to impose tariffs on the materials used to build things. Or tariffs on exporting these goods. Or others. This will lead to a lot of angry people who will either still take the jobs elsewhere, or vote against Trump in 2020.

It goes on. Its a huge task. Maybe it could be done, assuming an iron will and political capital. But he's too busy playing golf every other weekend.

Lower classes are fucked over the long-term.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

You might even get ahead your peers, as testosterone gives you more willpower.

Spamalot
Spamalot

We have transitioned to a service economy. A service economy needs training/education.

TreeEater
TreeEater

The world grew up dumbass

In the 1960's we were just finally having urban population outnumber rural for the first time and half the world's industrial centers were still bombed out shells rebuilding on US loan money

SniperWish
SniperWish

If you life was as simple and mundane as people in the 60's you could afford to live like them on a shit salary.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Nurses will always be in demand.
You'll be dead ended with how far you can climb, but you'll never be out of a job.

TreeEater
TreeEater

Is middle class just a dream now?

That was always a dream. You either born to wealth or cash quick. Taxes are too high and rising, disposable income are shrinking. All western world same thing. About half murricans are barely survining living paycheck to paycheck.

Most of the wealth is tied to real estate which have started it long lasting but graduate downhill. Rates will begin to rise quicker. That will destroy many individuals. Then mainly murricans have the student debt problem on top of that, literally walking into a lifelong bankcruptcy if you start now studies and take a remarkable loan

Methnerd
Methnerd

Never mind aboutStay at home be a NEET play vidya fap whatever
depressed me

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

High school degree.

Made 60k cooking a year fast forward a few year
Make 70k a year killing bugs

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Somehow we all fell for the "globalization and automation will always create as many or more jobs than they take away" meme and sold off all our jobs to make our wealthiest even more wealthy.

JunkTop
JunkTop

Pajeet in India can and will still do it for a lower cost than Joe in the US
Well, yeah, if whether or not the program works is irrelevant, sure. Pajeets always create incredibly high maintenance costs. You have to buy more hardware/licenses, you lose a tone of time/money cleaning up after their constant fuckups, and everything feature/change request takes 10 times as many paid hours as it should.

Someone has to swallow the labor cost because Joe wants a higher wage and lives in the US of A. The company would probably pass it onto the consumer.
And it won't be executives or shareholders. Their take is sacrosanct, chiseled into stone tablets handed down by almighty God himself. That's where so much right-wing economics falls apart. It refuses to cut that fat or require behavioral changes (improve your product instead of obfuscating your fee structure). And then it throws up its hands and says "American workers are just too greedy/lazy to work 20-hour days for a nickel! It's all government's fault because I'm perfect!"

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