Is this achievable natty?

u know what? i don't even care

I DONT GIVE A SHIT

I do not care if someone is natty or not

If I decide to roid, it will get me to exactly MY physical limit. I will get out as much as I put in.

If I stay natty, I will look like ME.

I just don't give a shit anymore.

Lift until you get bored, bulk until you get thick, cut until you get diced down to the socks and look like a fucking human penis

whether someone else is natty or not actually doesn't even fuckin matter it has no effect on your own performance or results

at the end of the day, no matter what you will never look like him, you will look like you. Whether thats a good thing or not is determined by the amount of effort you put in.

Fuck off greg. Nobody except 12 year olds believe you

Greg please go

He was just asking if it was achievable not it you care. Calm the fuck down

>at 5'10 167 and 7 percent

that's how big frank zane was when he won Mr. O

and his nickname was "the chemist"...

>187-195 pounds when he won Mr Olympia
Nice try

its funny cause he doesnt take supplements and only touts intermittent fasting

his stage weight was more like 170-80

enjoy being a fake natty bro, i roid, im not ashamed but i can tell OPs pic is a roiders body

>I roid
and you still look like shit
>170-180
sauce or get fucked

2 greg threads on Veeky Forums

I wonder who's behind it...

Fucking self-absorbed loser who can't even compete as a proper body builder.
Even on roids he's a fucking failure.

>and you still look like shit

do not

this is a a shoot before he got so big, he looks like OP here, he may have gotten heavier later

if you have ever roided you lose your natty card, you cant do a few cycles and stop then claim natty which i what i suspect OP's guy did

>he looks like OP
>those triceps
>those pecs
>those forearms
He's at least 15 pounds heavier

Boi he's so fucking A E S T H E T I C

This.

Roids make permanent changes to your body. Even after you stop.

goal body
>tfw not possible natty

stay natty bro

>implying i'd fuck up my hormones permanently by roiding

>if you have ever roided you lose your natty card, you cant do a few cycles and stop then claim natty which i what i suspect OP's guy did

this

>He's at least 15 pounds heavier

you are saying you can get within 15lbs of Mr. O natty?

Kek not anymore

You know what? Maybe he's not possible natty but im 100% sure you can build a body worthy of YOU being proud of and desu thats what making it really is all about, greatness doesnt come from overcoming everyone else, it comes from overcoming who you were yesterday

yeah but OP's guy lies to people about it to benefit himself and sell shit

it's dishonest

No doubt about that but i was talking about frank zane, kinobody is a meme
Im just talking about self improvement

i agree it's just that when you are trying to improve yourself it would be nice to know how big a guy can get natty and make some goals about weight

Who is this guy? I need to know so I can look him up and follow his Instagram. Also I'll use this new found info to discover his YouTube channel and watch all his videos. I'll subscribe and urge my friends to do the same. Hopefully he sells something I can buy.

>Who is this guy? I need to know so I can look him up and follow his Instagram. Also I'll use this new found info to discover his YouTube channel and watch all his videos. I'll subscribe and urge my friends to do the same. Hopefully he sells something I can buy.

ugh

fake nattys are all the same

Man in all honesty i have no idea what the natty limit even is

ahh shit, well I dont watch his video's I just made an assumption

because we've been lied to about it forever

hell even arnie while Mr O used to tell guys he was natty and they could do it to if they just bought his books and shit

this picture is from a time before gear so this is the only real 100% achievable natty body...

sorry mate you have to start taking creatine and electrolyte

With a pump, I looked similar to him although a bit smaller. Jumped on the juice since.

That picture is maybe the natural limit, with a good pump/lighting.

That said, he roids.

With a pump, good lighting and that exact body, yes. Kind of pointless asking what's achievable natty though because it's not as if someone can change their insertions or muscle length to look like someone else, roiding or not.

It's sad to see how the plague of non natty fitness guys has infected the entire community to the point of anyone who has a decent amount of muscle can't possibly be natty.

Greg 100% roids and whoever doesnt think so has buried their head in the sand. Or doesnt lift...

I would believe he's natty if it weren't for those ridiculous delts

It always shocks my how large his triceps are in comparison to his biceps in this. Not bitching, it just seems like a really unique quirk that he had at this time. Maybe I'm just too used to seeing current body builders that are so bicep focused.

>pic unrelated, delicious meal from a couple days ago

yeah except zyzz took hard drugs, drank a shit ton, and lived an unhealthy life style. zyzz took a shit ton of supplements, fat burners, etc. i don't really care for this fucking meme, but there would be a clear difference if they were both just roiding. and that body definitely is achievable natty lmao.

Its largely the posing and angle.

>this much delusion

He's 3 inches shorter as well.

Ah yeah, I guess that could have an effect on the picture. But I just found pic related and they seems relatively large in comparison as well in a straight side view of his arm. You sure he didn't just have beastly tris (in comparison to everything else)?

Na.

>Be me
>At Gym
>Big group of friends all swap working out together
>3 friends get big out of no where, way faster than rest of us.
>All of them claim natty
>friend who gained like 2 pounds in 6 months keeps saying their legit and its hard work and good diet
>says he will get there one day natty, spends thousands on shitty supplements and healthy food
>Speak to all 3 of "natty" guys on different occasions at the bar
>Drunk them spills they roided
>says half the big guys at the gym roid, all get it from same guy
>Go in gym with skinny guy again.
>tell him half the people in the gym are on roids
>says no im dumb and they are all legit and that im dumb for thinking they are roiding
>keeps spillling natty bs about hard work
>laugh every day to myself when I literally know for a fact most are roiding and hes dumb as shit.
>fast forward 2 years
>Hes gained maybe 5-6 more pounds
>Roiders still cycling and just rediculous physiques
>He comes to senses and says yea fuck it they all on roids
>Tell him what roiders told me
>Next day skinny guy starts cycle
>gets bulky as fuck in next 3 months
>No natties allowed.

He did have big tris, no doubt about it. But you've found two pics in a row where he's flexing his tricep.

They look the same, kino has bigger shoulders. And zyzz claimed to have only done one cycle.
The shoulders CAN be genetics.

Bruh, he's still flexing his tricep to this day.

This is him natural

i literally don't know who this guy is. i think the only delusion here is with you.

except zyzz was a partier and had 4 inches on this nigga

3 months out of the gym cause of an injury.

how is this dude so rich?

Dad was a real estate mogul who died early and left him his fortune.

>rediculous

Why can the internet not spell "ridiculous"? I ain't mad, just curious.

i mean, this guy also thinks a natty gains 5 pounds in 2 years. i didnt expect much.

>cannon ball delts

Clear roider 2bh

>cannonball delts
>traps popping out
>dat vascularity

How come you don't see an obvious roider? I'm in a gym where half of the people roid and though there are no huge bodybuilding fags, the difference between roider and non roider is always obvious.

>that body definitely is achievable natty
Why haven't you achieved it then?

why dont you guys try and get your natty potential before claiming people are on roids without ever lifting a weight you lazy fucks

No it's not. There are plenty of shit looking people who roid.

because i'm a lazy piece of garbage who doesnt have the mental determination. real talk

Yeah, you can mistake a noobie roider or someone who roids for purely strength for natty, but you can call a guy in ops pic a natty, thats a texbook example of fraud.

Oh, yeah, thats why I don't look like Ronnie Coleman, I'm just lazy, its not the roids, totaly.

>zyzz only did one cycle

are you people really this fucking gullible?

nice circular reasoning and strawman famuel l jackson. you asked me why i dont look like him; i said i was lazy. therefore i said nobody is on roids and its just laziness that matters.

are you retarded?
i mean, i still dont deny this guy is on roids. i just dont care. im saying that zyzz comparison is shit

He hast atleast 10kg of lean body mass on greg n8

He's thicker all around

Top kek
You can see his dad in one of his recent videos

natty?? LOL
no

this is pretty illogical.

just because zyzz did roids doesn't mean he got the most out of it that he possibly could.

that's like saying that if one of your friends couldn't get ripped in 2 years of working out, other people can't.

You guys must also believe in Santa Claus too.

Because he had a degree in chemistry.

>You guys

It's kinobody shilling.

ah. i completely forgot that useless sack of shit visits Veeky Forums

Only if you rape a drunk girl at a party and face no repercussions because of daddy's money ;)

>Greg 100% roids and whoever doesnt think so has buried their head in the sand. Or doesnt lift...

or is just joking to troll people like you. can't believe you fell for it

It would appear that you are experiencing steroid induced rage.

On Veeky Forums today, people are convinced that Greg is natty/possible to achieve naturally and other people who believe that this guy is on roids.

What does that say

Zyzz said he only got drunk about 3 times a year

If you think it is you're fucking stupid user

He gives about bad advice on training. If you ever look at his splits from the Greek god for example, they're all shit. There may be one that is decent. The aggressive fat loss is a shitty split too. 3 days, and one day where you go in and do a set of lunges as your main movement. A pussy leg day on a full body set up.

Fasting is good and all, but he's delusional and uses it to make money. "The greatest health discovery I ever made was not eating".

Anyone can train fasted, but you'll need stims or caffeine and it won't be as productive as if you ate breakfast. powerlifters don't set PRs on an empty stomach.

If you want to cut, reduce the volume of an already proven program. 3 day full body and 4 day upper lower splits work and they're all free and better than anything he can sell. You'll become a huge pussy following his training advice.

Random, Olympic level testing doesn't even fucking work and you want smart people to believe that you can "prove" your natural by taking some pre-planned testosterone test by some bitch who doesn't know what she's talking about?

Lmfao @ anons with shit genetics accusing Greg of roids because he looks good and you don't.

Greg has is top tier deltoid genetics and close to 10 years of lifting. That's it.
All those pics you cherripick to claim roids are when he's got his pump going.

But you're stuck in your fatty t rex SS routine with your shit genes making shit gains and looking like shit and you feel bad when you see Greg.

I do the intermittent fasting thing, I just train in the middle of my eating window so no issues. Have gone from a 193lb fatty to a 173 pound normal human. Still gotta drop another 5-10 for abs.

>And zyzz claimed to have only done one cycle

No he fucking didn't.

He openly talked about how he was cruising on clen, tren and test.

when you spread your lats, your lats push your triceps out, and plus the angle.

that there are people with different opinions on this board

It'd be achievable natty, but it's pretty endgame. Like 6+ or 8+ years of consistent effort, good planning, good eating + reasonably good genetics, probably.

>looks literally INCREDIBLE
>natty

How about no, you dyel newfags.

protip between me and you: don't fight the meme.

He has small deltoids when he's off cycle But I bet you're dumb enough to think it's just a "pump", right retard?

>It'd be achievable natty
You can't be dry with that much mass as a natty idiot

maybe not quite that vascular, but after 6-8 years of cutting and bulking + staying on low bodyfat + sodium, you can achieve that kind of bodyshape in terms of muscle size and definition.

> but after 6-8 years of cutting and bulking + staying on low bodyfat + sodium, you can achieve that kind of bodyshape in terms of muscle size and definition.
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