Has anyone on /wlg/ ever been able to squat more than him?
Colton Parker
you're gonna fucking break your wrists one of these days maxing out when you're not ready for it and ur gonna cry
bitch
Oliver Flores
Trip on deliuge
Oliver Jones
ok
Eli Gomez
Will i ever be as good as you? Im so fucking trash feels bad man. I started in the fall and am still shit
Joshua Richardson
I don't trip, I name
Parker Barnes
Hey dw I started in the fall too
Jaxson Harris
Not to be mean to you but you're objectively wrong
Jason Cook
only if you let me coach you :^)
and if you post in the proper thread
James Myers
>everett/takano shit >same klokov vids
the blogs are gud
hey that pastebin at the end is pretty great :^)
Pas has more useful shit in his
Noah Sullivan
'No' He has a dumb blog where he tells people dumb stuff like don't deadlift hurr durr
I used to listen to him. Then I decided to start deadlifting and my numbers in the cj shoot up like never before.
Klokov videos > Fatfuck Pendlay videos and leddit faq
Eli Wright
I think the blogs tend to be more useful because they explain things in a way that someone learning can understand the klokov vids are ok in isolation when you are referring to a specific issue like not pulling under but they don't really suit a 'watch this to learn everthing' approach
also from personal experience I have not really found everett's programs great. It was something I assumed was ok when I didn't know any different but I have done better on programs with less frills and memes like push jerks
yeah I simply dislike the addition of the first 4 links, placed in pole position
I'm steadily realizing how shit I am at this, but the more I do the more I realize that a lot of this isn't too useful
meant power jerks, but now that I see your post maybe I'm thinking of his other beginner routine
incidentally where are the pulls in that pic
Joshua White
>commisar telling other people their technique is shit
I've seen it all now. Please don't become Pas 2.0. You're still young, don't grow like a manchild.
Alexander Lee
Literally on friday.
Benjamin Lee
yeah only one day whereas pullups get 2 days I dunno why he doesn't just put GPP and other BB work at the end in addition to classics pulls and squats
Thomas Rogers
If deadlifting made your clean go up you have shitty tech
Robert Gonzalez
You're ignoring that you're deadlifting on tuesday, and doing the classics on monday and thursday.
Asher Nelson
Your tech is probs really shitty then Also are you sure he meant don't deadlift clean pull instead? Chinese do a shitload of pulls, more than squats even
Aiden King
USSR weightlifting does lots of deadlifting. USSR countries >>>>>>>>> chinese
Ian Parker
I'm not ignoring it I'm saying that ignoring pulls doesn't make sense especially when you see a shitload of pullups
Grayson Lee
Lol
Charles Mitchell
You're pulling every workout, whether it's deadlifting, full classics or clean/snatch pulls.
Ethan Powell
How long have you been training commi?
Lucas Wright
nice haircut
Aiden Hall
>agen
Camden Rodriguez
not sure you usually count classics as part of pulling volume but then this isn't my area of expertise
idk just from personal experience, pulls are the most important assistance lifts and should be upwards of 3x/week at least
Jackson Perez
>giving priority to pulls instead of classics
'No'
Ryan Flores
didn't say that senpai I said you should do the classics and independently increase pulling volume relative to the pic you showed me
I heavily implied that the routine would be better if you swapped out pullups for pulls
James Anderson
I think it strikes a good balance between strength training and speciifc weightlifting training for a newbie lifter.
I have no idea how you expect to do pulls after 30 reps of sn and cj your legs and lower back will be fried
pull-ups and chin-ups are good for the upperbody, traps lats and to keep your biceps safe from injury.
David Parker
Commy that qt in the pink is mirin you
Talk to her
Liam Richardson
>filename
My sides
Brody Hall
>I have no idea how you expect to do pulls after 30 reps of sn and cj your legs and lower back will be fried
'No'
Aiden Stewart
>max out cj for 15 total reps >max out snatch for 15 total reps >wants to do pulls after
If you're gonna do Commisar style of pull where you do a shitty deadlift with a shrug at the top it doesn't count.
Christopher Stewart
POST BOYPUSSY NOW GODDAMMIT
Josiah Roberts
its surprising just how safe oly lifting is
Benjamin Richardson
What kind of program are you running where you max out both lifts everyday for 15 reps?
juan, you and i have really similar positions in the classics but you can almost do full splits and i can't get anywhere near as far down as you
how does that work? how into splits?
Oliver Sanchez
I am a beginner but holy fuck this thread. Just stretch more for splits. Flexibility and strength in split position isn't mobility.
Also, to anyone in this thread, as a beginner myself doing pulls often which was suggested by someone here, more so than the classics and squats are making my classics shoot up. I regret following the focus classics and squat advice.
Ayden Rogers
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Isaiah Robinson
Why do you lie. You start oly way longer ago I remember your videos of you with just the bar
Joshua Bailey
Soviets didn't do any conventional deadlifting ya sperg
Jaxon Hall
You realise just because it worked for you doesn't mean it's what other people need? You were probably weak with a shit pull.
That's the problem with diagnosing beginners issues with no videos and no history. 'Do more pulls than classics' is fucking retarded if your problem isn't with the pull.
Dominic Cruz
Open the takano spreadsheet and ctrl+f for clean deadlift
>inb4 clean dl isn't conventional dl
Colton Bennett
People in the back mirin hard :P
Not to be mean to anyone else but Durks has a way better OP
He just needs to find another gf now... kek
isaac pls stop the bullying
lol @ this discussion Chinese and Bulgarian don't like Deadlifting much, Soviets do. Just different methodologies, don't mean someone is right and someone is wrong as all of those methods have produced results. Sure it's not as specific, but neither is the back squat (inb4 ohs = back squat meme).
I also don't like the Everett program much... but it's better than nothing. And for someone who has been doing SL/SS and wants to get into WL, it's a fine place to start. If you guys want something better, you could make it or suggest it.
As for complaining about Klokov's videos, I'm still waiting for someone to provide something better. The videos won't teach everything someone needs to know about WL, but it's again, a good place to start (and better than Pendlay's imo).
As for the OP, I've already apologized to Pas for removing his blog (I didn't realise the blog was his at the time).
As for changing the OP, it's an obvious problem that needed addressing. Just because I had one shot at it doesn't mean it's perfect and no one else can have their input or change it to what they think works best. Please stop sperging out because of minor stuff. Just add the stuff you think are gonna be helpful for new people when you make a new OP. Or just do what people do half the time and don't add anything.
Grayson Sanders
Remove the links with PLG with the URL It fucks up my searches and now owg shit comes up when I search plg (you know the thread for actual strong people and not the ones who like vicariously through Clarence, klokov etc)
Brody Wright
It literally isn't a conventional dead
If you think it is you're a fucking idiot
Nathan Bell
Soviets didn't do conventional deadlifts tho
Most of the deadlift work they did was based on snatch deadlifts (which is just a partial pull essentially) as they taught it had to be a certain % of the full snatch
Landon Smith
Everett's program isn't for total noobs, it's for people who know how to do the lifts in at least some capacity, that's my main beef with it being given out to people with zero lifting experience.
Carson Lewis
>Chinese and Bulgarian don't like Deadlifting much, Soviets do Soviets aren't alive anymore, andt hey did pulls anyway, not deadlifts. Chinese pull heavier than Russians do / Soviets did too btw Abadjiev didnt really advocate pulls at all afaik (lower level Bulgarian lifters did not train using Abadjiev's system)
You may be getting confued over terminology; some people like to call heavy pulls deadlifts, but these are not and should not be anything like a conventional powerlifting deadlift.
Camden Edwards
>As for changing the OP, it's an obvious problem that needed addressing. Just because I had one shot at it doesn't mean it's perfect and no one else can have their input or change it to what they think works best. Please stop sperging out because of minor stuff. >Just add the stuff you think are gonna be helpful for new people when you make a new OP. Or just do what people do half the time and don't add anything. Since when have the point of /owg/ been to be a free of charge coaching central for beginners who are stupid enough to ask questions on Veeky Forums? You are very new to the sport, and does not have very much knowledge about weightlifting. Why do you think you are in a position to teach others about weightlifting? /Owg/ was literally fine as it was before you showed up, just admit that you want to turn /owg/ into another /noobs jerk off to trappy general/.
Dylan Price
>Soviets aren't alive anymore
The system is. To some extent. That's what I'm talking about.
>andt hey did pulls anyway, not deadlifts.
They did deadlifts all the time, at least when they were in their "strength period". Eventually they moved into periods that were a lot more focused on classics and speed.
>some people like to call heavy pulls deadlifts, but these are not and should not be anything like a conventional powerlifting deadlift
The soviets train the conventional deadlift (which they simply call Clean Deadlift). It's not a clean pull. Though they also do pulls.
They did. Where the hell are you people taking the info from that the soviets didn't do deadlifts? Seriously, point a single source. I'm willing to ignore that different coaches have different methods, but just point one that doesn't have deadlifts in their programs.
Everything you read about them you'll see they talk about how much more focused on strength they are than chinese or bulgarian. Every program I've looked at so far has deadlifts and snatch deadlifts. If you look for videos you'll find them doing heavy deadlifts all the time.
Alright, let's play a game then. Point the differences in the Clean Deadlift and the Conventional Deadlift.
Here your (you)
In the book that's literally the program he has for total noobs. He literally talks about how the lifter won't have a 1RM yet, and how the lifts have no prescribed load.
Bentley Allen
>Point the differences in the Clean Deadlift and the Conventional Deadlift Clean deadlift is same motion as the first part of the clean, while conventional positions you to pull the most weight off the ground mechanically. Very significant differences in angles and stance
>inb4 first part of clean is just a deadlift A clean pull is a movement that positions body in where power is optimally generated. A deadlift is a lift that allows most weight to be pulled off floor. Nobody can generate enough power to clean a heavy deadlift(near max), so strength off floor is less of a limiting reagent than explosiveness in extension. Therefore, the deadlift (designed to pull most weight off ground as possible) is largely irrelevant in wl and should be wholly replaced by clean pulls
Ryan Perry
>Very significant differences in angles and stance
Point them out so I can point how this is not entirely accurate.
>Therefore, the deadlift is largely irrelevant in wl
For Chinese weightlifting. Russians will disagree. The strength and mass you build with deadlifts are all directly transferable to the classics, just like with the back squat.
Adrian Murphy
Chinese do 'hard pulls' which are probably what you call a clean deadlift. afaik chinese tend to do these are higher percentages than the soviets/russians.
I call these pulls, and I feel thats a more accurate way to describe them to avoid confusion.
>Point the differences in the Clean Deadlift and the Conventional Deadlift. surely you've seen good powerlifters deadlifting? also klokov's heavy pulls aren't the best example for what a heavy weightlifters pull looks like
>For Chinese weightlifting. if you stopped trying to talk about stuff you obviously are very ignorant about you'd avoid lots of this drama
Jason Johnson
why doesn't he finish the end of the rep by squeezing his glutes? it looks like he does 90% of the motion.
Gavin Wilson
>surely you've seen good powerlifters deadlifting?
I've seen many people deadlift. Strongman, Powerlifters, Weightlifters. People who don't even train for any of those.
>also klokov's heavy pulls aren't the best example for what a heavy weightlifters pull looks like
I'm not talking about Klokov.
>you'd avoid lots of this drama
What drama? We're just talking about weightlifting, training, and technique here. Not every discussion is supposed to be a fight. Chill down.
Owen Sanchez
You are a very annoying person, and love to create drama and try to blame others.
You also love to argue for idiotic points and refuse to clarify your points, claiming others misunderstanding is their fault and not because you are shit at articulating your dumb points.
Fuck off.
Jack Perry
Learn to talk to other people and discuss stuff without getting angry and wanting to fight and create drama. Be more humble and open. You don't know everything.
Bentley King
Be more self aware
Carter Clark
Project less.
I'm here to talk about weightlifting, not fight in your childish ego drama.
Daniel Jones
the guys that stood up and clapped in the background made me laugh
why the fuck are you clapping?
Luis Ramirez
You can also gain the same strength through clean pulls In a deadlift, hips are high to put load in glutes and hamstrings, arms perpendicular to ground in narrow grip, with narrow stance As opposed to clean pull, with low hips, arms at rack width, tight upper back, feet at extension width
Juan Fisher
>Chill dude, don't let mere conversations become fights
Snatch it off
Asher Evans
I'll answer in multiple posts so I can post vids.
>In a deadlift, hips are high >As opposed to clean pull, with low hips
This is dependant on the load. If the load is heavy, your hips will always raise high before the bar leaves the ground.
Novices are taught to start the DL with the hips already in the high position, but you'll find many of the strongest deadlifters actually prefer starting with low hips.
See vid.
Christopher Taylor
Hehe i meant to greentext the "fuck off" part not myself
Joseph Brooks
>arms perpendicular to ground in narrow grip >arms at rack width
Personal preference. Many of the strongest deadlifters have a rack width grip. See vid.
Zachary Richardson
>Novices are taught to start the DL with the hips already in the high position, but you'll find many of the strongest deadlifters actually prefer starting with low hips. > >See vid. His deadlift doesn't start with low hips.
Caleb Young
>with narrow stance >feet at extension width
Personal preference. See >tight upper back
While there are some very strong deadlifters who do it with a rounded or slightly rounded upperback (vid), this is not the norm. What most people will consider a "proper deadlift" includes extension and tightness through the entire length of the spinal erectors, and scapulae depression for lats tightness (see youtube.com/watch?v=dm7ZbgjZklE)
Read again >This is dependant on the load. If the load is heavy, your hips will always raise high before the bar leaves the ground.
Christian James
Trappy, the Russians did clean and snatch deadlifts
Not conventional deadlifts
Show me one source that includes conventional deadlifts
All deadlifts programmed in Soviet programs is basically a clean pull with no extension, not a normal deadlift
You're wrong here.
Daniel Robinson
There's irony here, you've dismissed everyone on certain points just like pas is
Ian Phillips
He's saying clean deadlifts are conventional deadlifts
Look up his posts
Carter Torres
both of these guys also have very distinct tech personally I DL with really high hips, a lot higher than hall and marcel, and it would be a very different movement if someone told me to do a clean deadlift. Torso needs to be a little more upright in clean dl than it does in the majority of deadlifts
also I think clean deadlift/pull rely a lot more heavily on extremely controlled upper and lower back because you need to keep that tightness on extension, but the requirement is relaxed in deadlift because there's no requirement to keep the bar close once you pass power point
I think you're right in that some deadlifts resemble clean deadlifts but certainly not enough of them to consider it a blanket pronouncement that the lifts are the same
Jack Richardson
Clean deadlift = Conventional Deadlift Only difference is that it specifies that you should use rack width grip (which many deadlifters naturally prefer), and more focus on form than weight. The movement is the same.
See What am I dismissing? I'm discussing all the point being thrown at me.
Daniel Lopez
>This is dependant on the load. If the load is heavy, your hips will always raise high before the bar leaves the ground. Unrelevant to your point unless you argue that people should use different form on light and heavy weights. A conventional deadlift starts with hips at he point where the lifter can get the best starting position. A clean deadlift tries to mimick the first part of the lifters clean.
Ayden Mitchell
But they aren't. The point that some conventional dead lifters have a deadlift resembling a clean is irrelevant. That's how they pull the most.
Implying the Soviet system employed a conventional deadlift (in which you move the most weight)/is wrong. They'd teach it the same as the pull in the clean. Wether that matches someone's conventional dead is irrelevant.
Robert Sanders
The movement isn't the same, because most people's conventional dead isn't the same as their clean, and they are taught for different reasons.