>the average testosterone level in men today is 300 lower than in 1940s
Veeky Forums what is to blame for this? pollution? medication in our water? cultural shifts causing physiological changes? are we less active? could it have just been a sampling error, perhaps they only sampled military men vs today's total male average?
my money is on the jews and feminists, im sensing some fuckery is afoot
op here i meant 300 ng/dl lower today. the average in 1940s was 700. pls no bully
Why the fuck are people always blaming jews for everything
The world is more comfy
/thread
its tradition!
it's just a prank bro...
That doesn't state how they found testosterone levels in the 1940's; because of this, I can only assume that testosterone checks back in the 40's could be highly inaccurate.
my guess
-sedentary lifestyle
-pollution and feminine hormones in the water, i actually have a PhD friend in biochemistry, her thesis is about that, fucking fishs are changing sexes as we speak.
could be pesticides in our food, estrogen everywhere, traditional foundations of masculinity are being criticized and being deemed harmful.
maybe the onset of birth control meant women could fuck alphas when they are in there 20s, then settle down with some low-test rich nerd in her 30s to actually have children. maybe, also because of birth control, alphas relized they could get more pussy if they never settled down and having sex no longer equalled getting someone pregnant. so they never did. just kept fucking new whores.
mine is 860 ng/dL so idgaf. low test guys are cute anyway
Xenoestrogens. Duh.
the average test levels are lower. I assume because you're on Veeky Forums you lift, and probably have a higher test than the average man today.
had you been born in the 1940s, your test would have been higher.
enjoy your shitty gainz while my grandpa was getting twice as big in half the time
Jew detected. Shoo!
LMAO @ low test cucks
>not being on doctor prescribed TRT
>ISHYGDDT
Usually it's because it's easier to blame a scapegoat than to admit your own shortcomings or do a serious analysis of the world's economy/western culture.
Almost certainly due to the obesity crisis.
Being overweight or obese causes significant derangement of sex hormone levels for both men and women.
Oh user...
I remember reading about that happening to frogs when I was in AP environmental science a few years back.
You are talking to much god damn sense on this board.
B r e h s . . .
holdover traditional nativist and christian cultural antisemitism plus the fact that the left is trying to destroy western civilization and culture and jews are very prominent on that side of things. of course jews being a tiny, high achieving minority they become disproportionately prominent in all sorts of things, including anti-left stuff. basically the left is the True Enemy and for a bunch of historical reasons and other shit Jews are overrepresented there.
Because the jews hate us and they do everything in their power, short of direct war to destroy us. They have their hand in nearly everything, from porn, to destruction of family roles, abortion, feminism, womans vote etc.
Knowing of their tricks makes it so that their involvement becomes rather a surprise. They meddling is the norm.
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Because even if you try to block reality, almost everything that is harmful to society is owned by Jewish people.
You guys realize that Christianity literally is just a Judaism shill religion, right?
If you want to fix this first you have to reject the Christian establisment that has taken over the West. The Christian church is controlled by the Jews no matter how much they may pretend otherwise.
Xenoestrogen in food, water, soaps and a general war on men and masculinity starting at a young age. Welcome to Western civilisation 21st century.
0==8 Gas the wives!
bcz 6 millions was not enough
>porn (decreases love, test)
>media (like telling you to drink that soda, good goym)
>soros (arab spring, femen)
>medical industry (give your rowdy kids some pills you filthy goym)
> feminism, sjwism and other garbage (to decrease male desire to find a mate, while making the female masculine)
>fat acceptance
>anti war, anti imperialism. Egalitarianism that destroys old masculine gateways.
and they generally help prosecuting traditional things, like the christian bakery not wanting to make fag cakes.
jews are to blame for most of the nu male problems.
Diet change, probably
>believing in love
lmao are you literally retarded
Love was made up by Jewish advertising companies to get you to buy valentines day shit for your gf
Not really. The issue why a lot of Jews are doing this is because they literally think they're the chosen people, we're also talking about the zionost not your average jew in Israel. Christianity is, at leasthe biblically, supposed to be about loving your neighbor; Judaism is not so kind and on top of that most globalist jews are ethnically jewish but they don't really believe in it.
>tfw agree with you guys but actually have some Jewish genes in me on my mom's side
>tfw will never be a beautiful pure Aryan god
She's not Jewish by religion or anything, but she does have some Jewish ethnicity.
fuark
what do
SHUT IT DOWN
Why do conservative Christian retards always support Israel then?
why are so many Christians disgusting fat lardasses with no regard for physical fitness or eating properly
Why are Christians always ranting about how much they hate Muslims, but they would never dare say anything bad about Jews
Why do they literally believe in a Jewish religion and reject the old European ways as paganism or "Satanism"
the jews that run the world put estrogen in the food/water
look at a average 14yo chick now compared to 10 years ago, I've seen these hoes with double Ds & ass for days on some Kylie Jenner shit, while a average 14yo boy looks thin/feminine & just overall small compared now
>tfw picking up sister from school & you noticed all the girls are bigger than the guys now
If you wanna boost your test to upper normal level ,just take clomid like 12.5 mg per day. It is not roids and you will not get mad gains, but that upper normal level puts me in right place mentally. If you are paranoid about estro effects ( which are non at this low level ) have some estro blocker on your side, My levels where like 500 ng/dL and now are just over 1000 ng/dL. Been doing this for year and it is cheap as hell.
take it easy hitler
You're retarded, it's common knowledge that girls go through puberty at a much earlier age
It's not a rare sight for girls to be taller/more teenage looking than boys around the age of of 12-14
top kek
>It's not a rare sight for girls to be taller/more teenage looking than boys around the age of of 12-14
Now, yes
there's no such thing as jewish ethnicity you do realize that
Uh.. yes there is, several in fact
The original israeli ethnicity doesn't exist anymore but ashkenazi sure as hell does
this is half true, what that user said hold some truth
i see a lot of 14 years old who look like 20 nowadays compared to when i was at that age
What do you mean
Evolution. Feminisation. End of war, end of agression. Decreasing of level of test as a result.
askhenazi are basically freaking euros who are jewish if i have to sum it up
there's a fine line between caucasian and other ethnicities, and jews trying to make it out as if they have their own ethnicities
Ashkenazi is a long line of like greeks/armenians and turks mixing iirc
it is its own ethnicity
Then why do Jews have features that distinguish them from Europeans
>curly hair
>big nose
>sloped forhead
>tfw I inherited all of these from my mom
fuckk, seriously what can I even do about this
I had to shave my head because I didn't know what else to do with my jewfro
>the jews that run the world put estrogen in the food/water
"The" food/water? What food/water? All food/water? EVERYWHERE? Thats ainple then, you can run tests to prove this theory correct, until then ita just you saying it.
>look at a average 14yo chick now compared to 10 years ago, I've seen these hoes with double Ds & ass for days on some Kylie Jenner shit
Puberty is linked to weight. Females are getting more food and eating more, leading to puberty earlier.
Where can you get your bloodwork done?
I dont knkw how high my test is and I doubt Iwill be taking supplements but hey it would be nice to know.
Also vitamin d defincency can lead to lower test levels.
T. Duchtman
Okay so we all know there is a problem, now how do we fight it?
How do we make sure our sons don't end up indoctrinated cucks into the cult of feminism?
>tfw you are aware of the problem but it's too late for you
how can you fight the problem when genetically you are the problem
Pin 'em with roids when they grow up
Its not genetics, its the environment, and we can fix it. Kill feminism, stop using plastic, stop polluting and stop letting chemicals into the drinking water
low fat diets are encouraged for everyone not just people with imminent heart risks ,no smoking,no physical labour,driving everywhere,probably stuff in food too
It's a time honored tradition.
>economy gone bad? Jews
>social degeneracy? Jews
>rape? Jews
Never fails. You'll find something.
All of them look jewish as fuck,whiny bitches
Reduction of physical labour due to industrialisation.
Hmm.
>1946
>WWII just ended
>millions of men who fought are coming home
>all able bodied men recquired to serve in the military
>2010s
>good amount of men are fat and lazy
>diet composed of mostly processed foods
>have to be motivated just to go outside
B-but muh economy!
This
You know what raises testosterone? Being chock full of American pride and bloodlust for dem Nazis
10 years ago, I predicted that men in 2016 will be extremely tall, with almost no muscle mass and will show an unnatural vanity and narcisissm - together with all kinds of psychological illnesses.
I was, of course, completely right. People here in Germany average around 6'4" in height now while being extremely skinnyfat at the same time (ie, a rounded belly but 18" thighs). They have no drive, they are complete cowards and they spend their time styling themselves and being as peaceful and meek as possible.
Please read Glubb's "The Fate of Empires" for an explanation. It's a short essay. We are basically fucked. Our culture's spark of vitality is completely burnt out.
being tall is good though
please off yourself
All cultures that have died featured men much taller than their eventual invaders. Height is correlated with lowered testosterone.
Hence why oxen are taller/bigger than bulls and castrates (the guys that were castrated to sing better in the past) were generally enormously tall. And let's not forget Klinefelter's:
en.wikipedia.org
>Klinefelter syndrome or Klinefelter's syndrome (KS) (/ˈklaJnfɛltər/) also known as 47,XXY or XXY, is the set of symptoms that result from two or more X chromosomes in males.[1] The primary feature is sterility.[1] Often symptoms may be subtle and many people do not realize they are affected. Sometimes symptoms are more prominent and may include weaker muscles, greater height, poor coordination, less body hair, smaller genitals, breast growth, and less interest in sex.[2] Often it is only at puberty that these symptoms are noticed.[3] >Intelligence is usually normal; however, reading difficulties and problems with speech are more common. Symptoms are typically more severe if three or more X chromosomes are present.[2]
Klinefelter guys are super tall, weak cowards with no interest in sex.
You say height is good. But height = less testosterone.
lmao it's broscience shit like this that makes me keep coming back
Ask any farmer what happens to animals that get castrated before puberty.
>this is how manlets defend rationalize their failure
"Testosterone levels influence your height. The Medical News reports that testosterone deficiency in teenage boys can stunt growth. A study in the New England Journal of Medicine indicates that testosterone treatment can stimulate height growth. The study's researchers conclude that low doses of testosterone can stimulate height increases in adolescent boys with delayed growth and development."
manlets confirmed low test
You sound insecure. Are you?
then why are girls shorter than guys
I knew that was coming, but I'm 6'2". It's a laughable notion that testosterone would make you taller when everyone can compare oxen and bulls, spayed and unspayed cats, castrated and not castrated dogs, etc.
It's always the same: No balls before puberty = greater height.
It's also telling how you completely ignore the rest: Less muscle mass, feminine mentality, etc.
I guess I hit a little close to home?
Because they are girls, not guys. Are you dum-dum?
the typical influential jew has a clear tendency towards becoming as wealthy as possible with no regards for others, except perhaps other jews. they have historically always done this, and this combined with their belief that they are truly gods chosen people and therefore superior to every other group rubbed, and still does rub a lot of people the wrong way. that's why they've been kicked out of various kingdoms and countries dozens and dozens of times.
This.
Because men used to work hard and eat meat without shitload antibiotics and veggies/fruits without pesticide.
I'd love to be able to do that
Just maintain my own farm up in Yukon or something, grow my own shit and make my own power
Sadly only few can afford that kind of life.
But if lower testosterone makes you taller, why aren't girls taller than guys
There's more than one hormone in the body.
Testosterone is not the only hormone related to growth, and using increased height as a proof of low testosterone is a bit of a throw.
Anyway, I'm arguing with your reasoning -- it's not effective.
randalolson.com
Next time, use studies to argue, rather than sillyness:
endocrine.org
but also, do not act as if a single study is proof
here's a tl;dr:
The average levels of the male hormone dropped by 1 percent a year, Dr. Thomas Travison and colleagues from the New England Research Institutes in Watertown, Massachusetts, found. This means that, for example, a 65-year-old man in 2002 would have testosterone levels 15 percent lower than those of a 65-year-old in 1987. This also means that a greater proportion of men in 2002 would have had below-normal testosterone levels than in 1987.
“The entire population is shifting somewhat downward we think,” Travison told Reuters Health. “We’re counting on other studies to confirm this.”
Travison and his team analyzed data from the Massachusetts Male Aging Study, a long-term investigation of aging in about 1,700 Boston-area men. Data from the men were collected for three time intervals: 1987-1989, 1995-1997, and 2002-2004.
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The researchers observed a speedier decline in average testosterone levels than would have been expected with aging alone.
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It’s likely that some sort of environmental exposure is responsible for the testosterone decline, Travison said, although he said attempting to explain what this might be based on the current findings would be “pure conjecture.”
Unfortunately this seems to be the only study on it, so it may be the case that only bostonians are losing testosterone, we'll have to wait and see for later studies.
>dumb, uneducated statement
>edgy facebook picture
Kill yourself
>10 years
>enough time for any noticeable change in physical attributes of the population
Babies born at the time aren't even in secondary school. Enjoying that confirmation bias?
>implying chemicals are bad because muh artificalness
Enjoy your shit load of diseases and vastly decreased agricultural output. Just the Haber process that produces ammonium fertiliser alone is responsible for half the world's food base
>2016
>still falling for the JOOZ DEED EET meme
/pol/ fuck off my board
I refuse to believe that you downloaded that picture off facebook
>had you been born in the 1940s, your test would have been higher.
this is a complete misunderstanding of statistics and science.
people like you ruin online scientific debate
Lol no u fuck off
You aren't European. Either kill yourself, or embrace your kikeness
Because they're over represented in the upper echelons of politics, business, banking and the media. If there was some kind of agenda going on its logical to assume that the Jews are at the vet least aware of it and allowing it to happen, if not outright promoting it themselves.
Jews are culturally capitalist and egotist. Their sense of tribalism will lead them to help each others and disregard the "gentiles". They are contemptful and greedy.
Maybe they're good at what they do? If high up Jews are pulling up other Jews, how did they get there in the first place?
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Why did my dad have to marry a kike slut. God fucking damn it
why couldn't he marry a beautiful Scandinavian goddess
Why do I have to suffer because my dad is a cuck. this is such bullshit.
I asked my friend who works on his dad's farm and he had no idea what you were talking about.
>diseases got stronger and immune to the current chemical compound
>LETS MAKE STRONGER CHEMICAL COMPOUND TO KILL ALL THIS SHIT
>ok
A friend inherited his great-grandfathers house with nice looking stone walled water well. Back in those days it meant everything, and it was cold water all the time. He did one water test in local town - water was ok, so no harmful bacterias like E.Coli and shit. But he said to his family,wait a bit with drinking, let me test it again. So he got the sample to his sister,his sister to her friend who is a Chemical Goddess in company she is working for. Chemical Goddess calls - "FFS don't drink that water! It has so many pesticides that you should not even water your garden with it! I cant even guess how many yeas will take for all that to disintegrate..." So my friend thought about it, his relatives never used any pesticides so how the fuck... Answer; the fields that are own by private company and are at least 500 meters from that water well - they are spraying everything that moves on those fields with godknowswhat for years and years now. But those chemicals still managed to mess up the water,either by air or by groundwater.
Anyway, its in our food, its in our water so good luck Veeky Forumsizens and good luck to your natural testosterone!
>muh antisemitism
fuck off my board, kike
This. Also more people are fat and fat lowers test.
GRANDPA is in a NURSING HOME fucking GILFS while YOU waste time in the GYM with your INFERIOR TEST LEVELS.
What other studies are there on this?
I've only ever found the one that was done in boston.
I call it bullshit, no way in hell testosterone levels have fallen with almost 50 % in that small time span. Bullshiiiiiiiet.
It's all based on one (as far as I can tell) study on 1000ish men in Boston. The first tests were in 1987, not the 40s.
Context: Age-specific estimates of mean testosterone (T) concentrations appear to vary by year of observation and by birth cohort, and estimates of longitudinal declines in T typically outstrip cross-sectional decreases. These observations motivate a hypothesis of a population-level decrease in T over calendar time, independent of chronological aging.
Objective: The goal of this study was to establish the magnitude of population-level changes in serum T concentrations and the degree to which they are explained by secular changes in relative weight and other factors.
Design: We describe a prospective cohort study of health and endocrine functioning in randomly selected men of age 45–79 yr. We provide three data collection waves: baseline (T1: 1987–1999) and two follow-ups (T2: 1995–1997, T3: 2002–2004).
Setting: This was an observational study of randomly selected men residing in greater Boston, Massachusetts.
Participants: Data obtained from 1374, 906, and 489 men at T1, T2, and T3, respectively, totaling 2769 observations taken on 1532 men.
Main Outcome Measures: The main outcome measures were serum total T and calculated bioavailable T.
Results: We observe a substantial age-independent decline in T that does not appear to be attributable to observed changes in explanatory factors, including health and lifestyle characteristics such as smoking and obesity. The estimated population-level declines are greater in magnitude than the cross-sectional declines in T typically associated with age.
Conclusions: These results indicate that recent years have seen a substantial, and as yet unrecognized, age-independent population-level decrease in T in American men, potentially attributable to birth cohort differences or to health or environmental effects not captured in observed data.
kek