Give me one reason not to roid and get an aesthetic body to get hit on by hot sluts

Muscles cant fix ugly or autism

CHAD eats PIZZA and fucks SLUTS while YOU have AUTISM and ROID

Realistically, roids work, they aren't that expensive, and there's enough information out there that you should be able to get the body you want without fucking up your hormones as long as you do your research.

You can be aesthetic without them. It will take much longer, and some parts of the process (bulking/cutting) may be particularly difficult depending on your genetic disposition. But if you're smart and patient you should end up looking pretty good either way.

Steroids can make you look like a superhero, but they can also carry complications like acne and hair loss, not to mention the risk of serious heart and liver problems down the road. You can probably manage these fine, but if you stay natty you won't ever have to worry about it at all.

Up to you compadre.

You think sluts will make you happy but they won't

youtube.com/watch?v=17el62iBEdU

Brazilian vlogger who claims to have been sterile because of steroids.

>trips on Veeky Forums
>trip is God

IV about 25g of Test in your femoral artery, girls will be much less repulsed by you afterwards. Hope this helps.

cause you dont need roids, and roids will kill you?

Because no amount of gains will compensate for an ugly face, or lack of height. Sorry.

but what if i have a good face and am 6'3"

Fuck off he's got a point

manthesis.com/5-reasons-why-every-man-should-lift-weights-and-work-out/
Yep

Natty limit is more than enough for normies, beware of your body dysmorphia

It fucks with your health, that's the only valid reason.

You think a good body make up 10/10?
Kek!

It totally defeats the real purpose of weight lifting, girls are just a extra benefit.

So why do you choose the hard path? What you are describing makes the easy path side effect free

He does have a point, but he's also being fedora-tier dramatic

Might have to be dependent on it for the rest of your life.

But still, go for it, man. If it's not for you then just do your PCT and come off of it.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_mask
Its about detaching yourself, enlightenment and ego death. I do a lot of psychedelics, self proclaimed pyschonaut. You should just read the article. Allan watts on YouTube is also great for this. Basically just not developing personal attachment and simply being aware is ego death. Meditation+real LSD is a lovely evening for me, gonna delve into DMT at one point. Might have a shaman for that one. Love my shroomies to :3

you have to stick needles in your ass twice a week

Wrong bread.

>natty gains
>comparable to steroids
>steroids
>easy
Steroids let you lift more. They dont magically make you big

>they dont magically make you big

actually, they do

Well, the easy path has its side effects too. For example the debt I mentioned.
Imagine you stop watching movies every week on your couch and only go to the cineme if a really good movie premieres. I guarantee it you'll enjoy the movie even more. It feels great if you bench on the same level as your buddy who ran a cycle last year. He's going to run another.

You can't deny that something you've worked for feels awesome.

Stop being a little bitch and actually push yourself at the gym instead?

Then you wouldn't need an aesthetic body to get hit on by girls and this topic would be pointless?

Is there hope for manlets with attractive faces?

Let's say you want to run a marathon. You could run it like everyone else or you could run downhill. Same distance, different challenge.

yeah but like why wouldnt you wanna be a full 10 instead of just an 8 or 9

25 GRAMS

CMON

The pros are transient. The cons are forever.

Cons:
1) Hair loss.
2) Gyno
3) Acne everywhere, including backne
4) Bloated, puffy moon face

And that's just cosmetic side effects. More serious cons include

5) Hypogonadism and infertility.
6) High blood pressure, which leads to
7) Heart disease; increased risk of stroke and heart attack
8) Kidney disease is another side effect of high blood pressure
9) Liver disease
10) Emotional instability--depression, rage, anxiety, etc.

Pros:
1) A temporary increase in strength
2) Maybe 15 lb of extra muscle. You might gain more but it's water weight and you'll look like shit anyway.

It's a complete fallacy that the average steroid user looks better or is much stronger than the average natty. Most steroid users have more in common with these pathetic losers.

youtube.com/watch?v=5VrMUuOrZjs

Another fallacy is that using steroids will put you on the level of the natty limit, or beyond. The average fraud has an FFMI of 23.5, which is well under the projected natty limit of 25.0. The only cheating frauds who even look good are the ones who would have looked good anyway if they had stayed natty.

Lastly, bear in mind Jason Blaha is an admitted steroid user who has used multiple compounds along with HGH peptides for 20 years. Twenty years--the number two followed by a zero--of taking steroids. To look like this.

So you tell me, is it worth it?

Nah that's ain't true

>Do steroids or work out and eat clean and achieve the same results a few months later?

this better be pasta

if not, kindly go back to where you came from. thanks.

>It's a complete fallacy that the average steroid user looks better or is much stronger than the average natty

you probably think mike o hearn and jeff are natty

roiding defeats the purpose of lifting. It is cheat codes that come with real negative side effects that will affect you your whole life

we've all heard the cliche saying of it's not the destination, it's the road towards it. same principle applies to lifting man. you build yourself when you realize how much time and dedication you must put in to see results; it humbles you and helps you grow as a person

roids and aesthetics is NOT the key to life. you will not instantly get hot bitches, life will not treat you like a star. it will just be you still.

and lets remember the real and factual side effects of roids:
webmd.com/fitness-exercise/20050316/why-steroids-are-bad-for-you

cesar.umd.edu/cesar/drugs/steroids.asp

crchealth.com/addiction/about-steroids/

Don't listen to pesudo studies and facts that roiders on here and in /fraud/ spout about how roids is super ok if you do your research. They are wrong.

steroids are magic. yes you have to continue working hard. and your health takes a hit no matter how you cut it. for me the advantages are worth it

>lifting is 100x more fun
>skin tearing pumps that make you want to cry
>everyone jelly as fuck
>girls can smell it on you, especially tren
>more confidence
>the libido of a rutting rhino
>more energy throughout the day
>more respect from male peers

i respect the natty road but you will not get 1/100th of these pleasures, sorry guys.

my health markers are fine apart from slightly elevated BP. i have a full of head of hair after multiple cycles and one long blast. i got a QT red pill gf as well, and im a reasonably autistic.

TLDR do roids its fun and cool

Of course there is just don't be an insecure fuck and also go for girls shorter than you

oh and im below average in the looks department. before i roided girls weren't interested.

>disclaimer: this wont work if youre a manlet. you just look like an overcompensating idiot sorry

30 year old bro here, do it, you wont regret it. Going natural for 10 years feels like a waste, wont look anything special, roids will able you to go easy (chad eating pizza) and look absolutely amazing

i'd hop on some test but I'm too scared to lose my hair

i always had a full head, absolutely no signs of receding before i started (i was 24) and low and behold i kept it all. if you show any signs of receding then you are right to be worried.

>assuming others will not enjoy things as much as you because of steroids

Whats the deal with becomming sterile? That's just when youre on but once you PCT your fine right

there are no long term studies. you are taking a risk. but you're pretty much right yeah.

with that said, the risk apears to be small because reports of people being permanently infertile are incredibly rare. so rare in fact, they could have been infertile in the first place.

Infertile isn't as bad as a limpdick

Thats good to know, thats the only thing that was scaring me

>mussels
I don't like seafood

im a little worried about it myself because i do want kids. when i next come off i am going to freeze some sperm just in case.

Yeah its bad enough if youre born that way but a fuckload worse if you do it to yourself

Thats a good idea

Lift till you're gonna big enough to wear a large and its not that loose, then wear a medium sized shirt instead, cheaper than roids and easy mires, the smedium effect is amazing

Contrary to popular beliefs women don't think bacne, acne, stretch marks and baldness is hot

There is a reason that everyone who advocates against steroid use has never used themselves, or had a bad experience.
Steroids are magic. If you have lifted for a couple of years, understand diet, your body, your progress and growth, then you take the most minor possible blast (*500mg test-e) you will also think its magic. Every single lifter that has done roids, properly with bloodworks, AI management and cruise/PCT, has been blown away. For a reason.

Don't ask about it on this board, everyone is lol ameircan cheaters natty is best. If your actually interested, just read reddits steroid sub/bodybuilding forums.

I blasted obscene amounts of sterons for 3 years, came off to join the military and everything was fine. Balls recovered fine, test levels bounced back to what they were before (above average), lost a lot of size but the capped delts and a lot of the 3 dimensional look stayed around.

Now I'm considering hopping back on if I can work out the logistics of doing it on a submarine. Roiding just makes life better, feel better, fuck better, look better. Adverse health effects are overstated, I was on 1.5g of tren and a cocktail of other drugs for those 3 years completely disregarding my health and I'm perfectly healthy with a full head of hair today.

You'll die young and roiding won't fix your autism.

ego death is a meme some dumb hindu started in india

Everyone in india was retarded and thought sitting around in a day dream was super spiritual so now they all sit around doing nothing for hours slipping in and out of sleep.

You're going to face a sad reality once you start getting older

ill still be lifting when you are dead

have fun with your roids

See Zac Efron

I've had full medical evaluations post-sterons and there has literally been no lingering side effects. Bloods all healthy. Heart still healthy. Endocrine system still working better than most. I'm already over the hill and older, but have higher natty test than most 25 year olds despite running grams of tren and halo through my nuts. PCT was a single shot of triptolerin, nothing else.

Protip: triptolerin is the magic anti-steron queers don't want you to know about.

You'll still be an autistic faggot, but with acne and bitchtits.

Everyone dies eventually

do you want to die 20-30 years before everyone else?

all those pro wrestlers dying at 50? they did roids too

/thread

how old were you when you started famalam? I'm 19 but want to get on cycle, nothing crazy, just 500mg Test E/wk

>trust me bro don't look at factual data from studies showing the side effects, take my word!

Can anyone tell my why its better to inject then taking the pills? cuz i rly dont get it.

talking out of my ass here but its probably something like this:

>injection
faster acting
less liver damage (talking out of my ass)

>oral
still have to digest

also, different compounds

Just google this shit @

thank you so much for this motivational read.good luck to you sir

do roids, OP

then you will kill yourself and I wont have to read shitty threads like this on Veeky Forums as much.

go hard.

The best compounds are only injectable (tren and test primarily) they can also be done in one shot weekly instead of having to dose ~4 times a day

Thanks a bunch guys, also this info is alot easier to google

Because those sluts are doing starting silicon while you're doing starting strength.

Your body is a temple.

And a woman will be more interested in stealing your money anyways.

Because women still won't like you because you're a tripfag

the amount of photoshop on that image is literally distorting the space around the girl in the pic

Do it and never look back. I wish i started earlier because you don't want to spend your life in the gym to look like you don't even lift when you can take a shot and get massive.

Where is this from?
It looks convincing but what is up with those weird numbers?

You've obviously seen quite a few shops in your day

>to get hit on by hot sluts

you're gonna be disappointed

>not realizing cruising on a TRT dose will give you nothing but benefits

I'm only going to roid for my sport, I'm fine with being Otter for life

Gee, if only there was a citation or something...

I'm assuming here ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8637535

Holy shit that's some disgusting bokeh

Guess what faggot? If you're boring or stupid then it doesn't matter what you look like or how many roids you take, you're still boring and/or stupid.

Fix your real problems and leave the shitty chemicals alone, dumbfuck.

You are entering a death spiral of constantly trying to out-do womens' bloated expectations. Once you enter, there is no escape with your self intact. You will become jaded, empty, and constantly find dissatisfaction in all relationships with women as your mind drifts to and lingers on the thought of fucking.

You should do it. I'm sure you don't know what the fuck your doing and will, among other complications, look like total shit and better men will take your sluts.

Enjoy your body while you have it. What is the use in trying to stay healthy for old age when you never know if you will get hit by a bus tomorrow.
Roids will not cover up if you have a bad personality but it will create a smoke screen that hopefully won't clear until you have had sex with the girl and she realises what you are actually like.

Only works if you're a well-hung nig

Hot sluts want ottermode and a Chad face

Dieing during sex from a bad heart is very embrassing for you family