The sticky says it is but pro bodybuilders like Branch Warren swear by it. Martin Berkhan of LeanGains also stresses that exercise in a fasted state forces your body to burn more fat as fuel. Perhaps this engenders a broader discussion--is the sticky just a meme?
Is fasted cardio just a meme?
Robert Morris
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Landon Cox
does that girl have a nutsack?
Sebastian Peterson
Yes it's a meme. So is IF, paleo, veganism, muscle confusion, anabolic window and even protein shakes.
>inb4 one of the above isn't a meme because I personally fell for it
It's not that complicated, just fucking do a non-retarder routine, don't eat like a retard, and you'll be grand.
Lincoln Edwards
The sticky isnt infallible.
The thing about dieting before lifting is plain retarded, and this is stupid too.
Now pretty much all aerobic cardio burns pretty much only fat as fuel. The exception is walking, which is something that is more effective in a "fasted" (truly a catabolic) state.
Aerobic cardio increases cortisol, and fucks with gene expression to impede muscle growth and retain fat reserves, the exception is walking.
t-nation.com
Anaerobic cardio doesnt elevate cortisol as much, elevates test and gh, and increases gene expression for muscle growth.
The fuel for anaerobic exercise is muscle glycogen, which is replenished over time with fat reserves.
The ideal solution is to do fasted walking 30-60 min a day, to get all the benefits of aerobic cardio, with none of the detriment, then fed anaerobic exercise, such as strength training or barbell complexes or sprinting.
Carter Hill
You can look at doing cardio in 2 ways;
Optimize performance, thus higher calorie burn and creating a larger deficit. This is achieved by having an appropriate meal prior. This will be a more intense cardio session.
or
Optimize fat loss, marginally, by being in a fasted state and taking dietary supplements to increase fatty acid mobilization and metabolic rate.
Fasted cardio only really has benefits if you are already lean because in people with higher bodyfat percentages, bodyfat is already more readily available to be burned as fuel.
Benjamin Hill
Jim stoppani has legit research showing IF helps with leptin sensitivity, and grehlin regulation.
Gavin Sullivan
P.s. You dont need to actually fast to walk in a catabolic state.
Just walk right before breakfast or 3-4 hours after eating a reasonably sized meal
Ayden Ramirez
I don't give a shit. The data is so easy to fudge, and I bet there are equally as many studies saying it has no effect.
Angel Flores
Or do both.
Anaerobic for the first, walking for the second
Bentley Long
>Anecdotal evidence
Why is it so hard for people to understand that if something is not backed by an actually properly constrained experiment on a significant sample of test subjects, with a control group, etc, it's fucking garbage.
Jacob Sanders
gurlbawlzakk is the new boipucci
Ryan Anderson
Have you seen Branch Warren lately? Cause that is what fasted cardio will do to you.
Levi Watson
No, actually, the only other studies show lifting and fasting to be the two most effective ways to increase leptin sensitivity.
>Don't trust no fucking scientist, y'all motherfuckers are lyin', and gettin' me pissed
Isaac Sanders
literally the only question i had
Christian Thomas
no it is not a meme, your muscles will take energy from fat stores if it needs to due to fat oxidation
HOWEVER you really should take BCAA before to help stop your body from using muscles as amino acids
James Hughes
Broscience to the max
This is like those guys who say you have to drink OJ when you take MDMA
utter bullshit
Connor Green
>he thinks fat oxidation isn't backed by actual research
Isaiah Parker
Samuel Johnson
I just tried to find a peer reviewed article by Jim Stoppani about IF. Couldn't get anything on Google. Do you have a link to it.
I only found one other peer reviewed study which had inconclusive results
Jaxon Ortiz
>www.fitday.com
David Nguyen
We aren't talking about that.
This is like some guy asking if cars can go faster if you remove the windshield and you come here and say "combustion is a fact"
Grayson Wilson
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sorry m8 you're still BTFO
see my earlier post Do you retards think your body will get its energy outta nowhere if your muscles dont have readily available carbohydrates? in a fasted state your muscles use fat oxidation
Jason Edwards
>www.bodybuilding.com
Josiah Anderson
>t-nation.com
why are there no sources for anything in this article?
Ian Ross
Thanks a lot for this post user.
So anaerobic is king always?
Hunter Thompson
Yes its true your body will use fat as the last source of energy. But I don't know what you are confused about. When you burn through the fat, something else is going to have to take place in order for your cells to regenerate ATP. Otherwise you experience that rigor mortis thing.
Henry Jackson
>linking bb.com articles by Layne Norton
Jesus Christ user
He couldn't even be bothered to cite any sources on these so called studies. Not like he would be able to present them in a way other than "BCAAs good, make you strong and lean" or put them in the proper context, anyways. He's a salesman, user.
John Jones
>he doesnt realize there's citations from actual studies in there
GJ dumbass
but ill play your game
jap.physiology.org
jissn.biomedcentral.com
jissn.biomedcentral.com
Evan Wright
>citations
Oh sorry, I was distracted by all the ads and links to buying BCAAs.
Ryder Stewart
Always, yes.
Except walking, which doesnt even count. Just a tasty little snack, right babe?
Hudson Perry
>journal of applied physiology
Not sure if trolling or just an idiot.
Jack Ross
Are there studies that back up any of what you're saying or anything in that article?
Leo Williams
>implying that makes the article void
There's fish oil ads when you go look at the benefits of fish oil, does that mean fish oil is BUNK?
you can buy a year's supply of BCAA for 20 bux, anyway go ahead go ahead and find a flaw in ACTUAL STUDIES I posted. Just because you think everything is bro science doesnt mean everything is
Training in a fasted state will burn more fat, HOWEVER it will also burn muscle as your body needs amino acids AKA protien when exercising (a Catatonic state) but you can help avoid this buy having some protein available. The problem is if you eat or drink anything to get BCAA's youre no longer in a real fasted state. This is where BCAA's and less so protein powders would be helpful
retard, you just want to be right even though you are wrong. stop nitpicking at articles when many studies back me up on my claim on BCAA's and fasted cardio
Here is another fucking article you nitwit thieme-connect.com
Robert Thompson
>website
Wyatt Turner
...anything to get *amino acids* you're..
Zachary Mitchell
>you can buy a year's supply of BCAA for 20 bux
What's a years supply? 20 servings of 5 grams?
Brandon Diaz
i:^)
so in short you have nothing to back yourself up and im right, im glad you were able to get BTFO by me today.
Elijah Morris
>taking a shit load of BCAA just for fasted cardio in the morning
apply yourself user
Mason Hall
How did he get BTFO by you?
Bentley Mitchell
So you only have ~20 fasted cardio session per year and have no other applications for BCAAs?
Landon Bennett
He didn't.
Henry Myers
you dont need that much BCAA just for some cardio you can just take 1-1.5 grams and last an entire year
>trys to call me out on broscience
>show him actual science
>nothing substantial on his side to refute me
Isaiah Williams
also you can buy a pack of 500g on a good sale, and 250g normally hovers around 20 bucks
Zachary Cooper
Provide evidence. The burden of proof is on you.
Cameron Sullivan
>1-1.5 grams
>effective
What
Sebastian Reyes
bulksupplements.com
The point of the BCAA isn't for normal supplement size its for just the fasted cardio to help prevent muscles being used for amino acids, you can easily get BCAA's from other sources throughout the day
You can of course use more but the point is you CAN get a minimal years supply for 20 bucks
Anyway bye anons you're all retarded as im the only one linking actual stuff to back myself up
Aiden Roberts
Where are you getting this deal?
Mason Walker
>bulksupplements.com
Luke Smith
the chinks at bulk supplements, you should buy it from some other supplier if you're not trying to jew for money
>implying I dont know they're chinks
Parker Foster
>A paper that is inaccessible without a subscription as to evaluate if what they say is actually meaningful or biased
>Some random blog
You sure showed me
Samuel Ross
muscleforlife.com
ignoring the shitty ads, this article had great info on the effective of fasted cardio that backs up BCAA user
Nicholas Rogers
So are they reputable or not?
James Wright
I bought creatine and BCAA from them and they were fine when I posted about them last year other anons said they were good for them too, ignore the reviews they ask you to review it afterwards with great stars for free shit.
But they're chinks so you can probably guess quality control isn't their major focus compared to keeping cost low
My BCAA's tastes like metallic trash like everyone elses'
:^)
Isaac Taylor
That's Ronda Rousey. So, no. Or if it is, the NSAC is doing a really shitty job.
Jordan Martinez
My thoughts exactly, and it makes some pretty unusual and bold claims
I think you should apply some critical thinking in what information you choose to digest