>People on Veeky Forums do one of the most dangerous exercises for shoulder health their is.
Why do you insist on causing yourself shoulder impingement Veeky Forums? It takes 6 months to heal once it's impinged. Stay away from bench and OHP you idiots. Or enjoy injury.
OHP has actually made my shoulder feel way better.
Flat bench destroyed my shoulders.
Landon Clark
>I'm too dumb to stretch, do mobility work and accessories for balance such as face pulls, curls and side raises LMAOing @ your life
Nathan White
what should i do instead?
i want to get to 1pl8 OHP and 2pl8 bench
Ryan Gomez
theres no impingement if you do it correctly, and it's very easy to do correctly.
if you insist on doing something without doing any kind of research into it or getting some form of expert help, you deserve to get injured tbqh
John Robinson
>doing ohp so badly you hurt yourself
Brotip, natural movement in OHP is the correct one.
Mason Barnes
I do dumbbell shoulder press
I like it more, to be quite honest with you. Feels way better than overhead press to me.
Michael James
I really need to film myself doing ohp because my stance and my grip seek more narrow than his.
Zachary Gomez
This.
Bench - arch back, retract scapula. No more impingement.
The Press - shrug at the top of the lift. No more impingement.
Parker Sanders
You dont know shit about anatomy do you. OHP causes impingement on the supraspinatus tendon, same thing with skullcrushers. Both absolute terrible movements for shoulders.
Christian Nelson
grip should be narrow
Xavier Brown
His form is bullshit desu
Leo Hernandez
They should be. That pic is shit.
Benjamin Young
How about dumbbell shoulder press?
Charles Perry
>Humans can't hoist shit over their head without injury
Please leave.
Ethan Ward
It's the same shit, any sort of military press causes impingement and you WILL have a shoulder injury sooner or later.
Hunter Smith
What the fuck?
So how do we train shoulders?
Christopher Ramirez
fuck off dyel pls
Leo Diaz
This is patently false. Provide source or fuck off. The Press is one of the 4 main lifts that everyone should be doing (correctly).
Henry Davis
>most dangerous exercises for shoulder health False.
>causing yourself shoulder impingement False.
>It takes 6 months to heal once it's impinged. False.
Even for people who aren't aware of the specifics, the fact that you can't even communicate like a normal human is a pretty good flag for your claims being easily dismissable.
Joseph Diaz
Faggots like you deserve to have your fucking arms amputated, you clearly aren't qualified to use them.
Human arms are built to reach overhead to push weight away and to grab objects (specifically tree branches.) It is quite literally physically impossible for the press to cause impingement if it's done correctly.
John Scott
stop listening to him its b8, m8.
Jonathan Cruz
Don't encourage him man...
Asher Nguyen
>Provide source or fuck off Their are literally thousands of articles all over how it does this. All therapists agree on this too, but youre too busy memeing on Veeky Forums that you dont study what you actually do
Here is a great video that has humor so it appeals do you dumb kids. Hopefully you can pay attention a bit more
John Russell
>FALSE!!
Nice rebuttal kiddo.
>It is quite literally physically impossible for the press to cause impingement if it's done correctly.
Omg that fucking delusion. Enjoy your impingement that will fuck up your lifting career for minimum of 6 months
Levi Smith
You can believe the hundreds of thousands of weight lifters, trainers, and professional lifters/bodybuilders who probably know a couple things about the lifts they do, OR you can believe a random jackass who types like a 12 year old on an anonymous hungarian cross-stitching board.
Samuel White
Thanks boos
Jack Watson
Ok but I have shoulder problems so I've switched from 3x5 barbell OHP to 3x8 seated DB shoulder press
I'm just wondering if I'm missing out on any gains by doing this
Seems only powerlifters mostly do OHP and just about everyobe else I've ever seen does dumbbell shoulder presses.
Feels a lot better for me desu
Gabriel Jones
Do you honestly think that there's any way in heaven and earth that you will ever, ever convince me you aren't literally 13 years old?
I honestly wonder if you have actual brain damage that you think your behavior might actually be mistaken by anyone as something that would be typed by a person who graduated middle school.
Kayden Moore
Powerlifts almost always have shoulder impingement and they cant lift anymore without pain. Do you want that to be you?
Levi Perry
strength progress won't be as easy and your overhead strength will never be as strong as if you just learned how to ohp
but in terms of just building muscle you should be fine
Jordan Jenkins
>Do you honestly think that there's any way in heaven and earth that you will ever, ever convince me you aren't literally 13 years old?
Think what you want, cuck. I am just spreading the word so novice lifters don't mess up their shoulders. I dont give a fuck about you lol, enjoy your impingement :-^)
Luke Allen
I'm sensing that OP is a beta weakling and hurt himself trying to OHP
Leo Walker
well memed sir.
Charles Butler
I mean I'm not interested in becoming a competitive powerlifter... the difference in strength shouldn't be much at all, right?
Josiah Cruz
Powerlifters get shoulder impingements because they specialise in the bench press - which is an exercise that WILL fuck up your shoulders no matter how good your technique is if you do it in isolation. It's a cost of doing business for them, and they know that they have to make that sacrifice if they want to be good at the sport they've chosen to specialise in.
However, if you do Press and Bench TOGETHER as accessories for each other, your shoulders will develop in balance and be fine.
I had a weak/injured shoulder for years which was ONLY rehabbed by getting my press above 60kg. Take your broscience bullshit and fuck the fuck off.
Parker Thomas
What shoulder exercises are we allowed to do in your world?
Overhead pressing is necessary for shoulder strength and health.
Gavin Garcia
this is a troll but ill respond anyway
in a correctly performed press you do a shrugging motion. what happens is that the upper fibers of the trapezius happen insert in the clavicle so that their contraction also lifts the acromion (the part rubbing on your supraspinatus) up. this provides adequate room for a full ROM overhead press without any impingement unless you have calcific deposits in your shoulders or something like that
benching can impinge shit, though. depends on your genetics (namely the type of your acromion). but using a narrower grip and overhead pressing as much as benching should remove the problem in most individuals. powerlifters do not generally overhead press enough so they're at a higher risk of impingement. and the wide grip often used also puts them at a higher risk. but it's stupid to say everyone will get killed because of shoulder impingement due to benching
Asher Thomas
I've been doing OHP, military press, and dumbell over head press for 10 years, I'm 225 now and have done up to 185 with bar, (2) 75lbs dumbbells and have never had an issue with shoulders. I'm only 26 but I think 10 years of lifting I would be hitting some issues right now with shoulders if that was the case
Nathan Cruz
Lol their squat video proves they know fuckall. You're still a retard. Shrug when you The Press and no impingement.
Christopher Gomez
well it's pretty significant in terms of strength. if you imagine db vs bb bench for example, a 100kg bb bench is ok, a 50kg db press is pretty impressive
Christian Ramirez
But I mean in terms of gains
Matthew Thomas
Never do faggot maxes or reps under 6, you risk injury, this is not a meme
Jace Davis
read my first post you're making me go in circles here.
Joseph Nelson
I'm asking how significant that is
Like would it be somewhat minor or would I be significantly weaker
Daniel Smith
OHP is the best exercise in the world for functional upperbody stength.
You only risk something if you don't shrug at lock out.
Isaiah Gomez
How does hurting yourself make you a "beta weakling"
Adrian Rodriguez
> the bench press - which is an exercise that WILL fuck up your shoulders no matter how good your technique is if you do it in isolation
Is this true? Is decline or incline better on the shoulders? What are you suppose to do then?
Bentley Stewart
The shrug at the top saved me. I'd hate OHP because it made my shoulders sore for days, once I started shrugging it went away.
Xavier Brooks
Wtf do you mean by shrug?
And do you do this with dumbbells?
Joseph Edwards
>Overhead pressing is necessary for shoulder strength and health. Absolutely not. And you cannot prove they have any benefit besides deltoid strength.
Ayden Flores
Do you know of any good videos where they teach OHP with the shrug at the top? And would it be safer to just not bench anymore for the sake of shoulder health since you say thats probably more dangerous than the OHP?
Jaxson Gonzalez
Nobody here has recomended behind the neck presses?
and yes, it would be safer to not bench but the risk is pretty small if you bench correctly. and benching is a great exercise
Carson Barnes
Enjoy literally destroying your rotator cuff
They serve no benefit and only damage your shit up
Brandon Cook
Been benching, over head pressing, cleans, jerks, all the lifts that can fuck up your shoulders since I was in 7th grade. I'm 2 years out of high school and the only shoulder injury I've had is a grade-1 AC joint tear. And that was from playing racquetball, not lifting.
Christopher Howard
You know how to shrug your shoulders right?
Put your arms over your head without shrugging your shoulders. Then shrug your shoulders. Your hands should go up another few inches or so.
This is where you want to finish the press.
Brody Hernandez
And you think OHP is the best way to strengthen that?
mfw
Adrian James
OHP in general you mean.
It all adds up, you tore it playing racquetball because of all the incorrect forms and exercises you put on it.
Aaron Gutierrez
What is then?
I keep askung you(or op) to tell me what exercises we can do for shoulders then. No answers
Aiden Ross
Stop getting baited Summer fags
Jeremiah Ortiz
All pressing is bad you stupid fuck. How are you to stupid to understand this?
Camden Thomas
That's what I'm asking
So should we only do pulling movements and have a completely unbalanced body?
Oliver Cruz
Bench AND press in equal amounts, as I said in the same post. This'll ensure that the muscles that become imbalanced due to excessive benching develop properly.
The added benefit of this is that the bench and the press feed each other and your gains will flourish and prosper.
William Martin
How do they go together? They work 2 different things. Both are presses. Do you even know what youre talking about?
Nicholas Reyes
>Both are presses
Luis Smith
They are? How do you not fucking understand that?
>Overhead PRESS >Bench PRESS
Adrian Gonzalez
Yes. Exactly
And pressing movements use certain muscles which complement eachother
Cameron Campbell
Are you new here, newfriend?
'Press' refers to the OHP because it was the original pressing movement. You'll see people here referring to it as 'The Press™' all the fucking time.
Do you even know how the body works? If you have weak rear delts, your bench will suffer. What hits the rear delts better than anything? The fucking press, that's what.
Similarly, a weak chest is going to seriously inhibit your ability to push weight overhead. What works the chest better than anything else? The bench.
Neither relies on the same muscles to do the primary moving, but they each rely on support from muscles that the other uses directly.
Justin Richardson
I fucked up my shoulders from overhead press & side lateral raises.
Now I resort to the Landmine press with a barbell which also works my chest and core.
Brayden Richardson
Snatch BTN press is the GOAT rear delts builder.
Jaxson Howard
>What hits the rear delts better than anything? The fucking press
Dude youre a fucking troll.
Rows are for rear delts not presses, wtf
Aiden Thomas
pics
Anthony Parker
If you drive your head through the press like you're supposed to it hits rear delts
Brody Nguyen
No it doesnt. Show me the erx sheet.
Asher Perry
Why has nobody recomended mao-fascia release? Massage the painful area
Jack James
>tfw can press 1pl8 for reps but can't squat or DL 3pl8 What the fuck is wrong with me
Isaiah Torres
>ohp >worse for shoulders than bench
good 1 m8
Camden Thompson
It impinges dipshit.
Cameron Sanchez
>can bench 105kgx5 >5rep squat is only 115
Gabriel Howard
You're still falling for this bait?
Chase Walker
noob
Jace Cox
Lateral or front raises. OHP activates the frontal and medial delt, so do lateral and front raises. Basicly anything that involves moving weight up above your head
Aiden Long
How much did you lift with either exercise?
Luke Morales
i'm the opposite. ohp hurts my shoulder area but bench just feels like it's making them stronger.
Zachary Foster
It's the behind the neck press that'll destroy your shoulders, not the regular OHP.
Gabriel Morris
tfw I can only OHP 1pl8 for 3 reps
Alexander Lopez
The bench is not dangerous if you incline bench.
Stop with this bullshit.
Liam Carter
>thinking lateral raises won't do more damage to your shoulders than OHP
Just fuck my shit up.
Aiden Hall
>Barely do any shoulder work, usually just OHP twice a week. >Shoulders just keep growing and growing.
It's the best exercise man.
Aaron Thomas
1.externally rotate your shoulders 2. Lean forward just a little bit Ta dah!!
No seriously, the only problem with side lat raise is imternal rotation
Christopher Cox
Was that suppose to be green texted?
Cameron Smith
I was there for a bit. Managed to get 140x3 and 135x4
It is weird though, i take 20lb off my 6rm, and i can still only manage 6 reps, no matter how fresh i am. I need i need to stop training for strength and start building some strength endurance.
William Ortiz
Klokov seems to contend that his snatch grip BTN pressing was an integral part of his recovery for his shoulder injury.
Aiden Johnson
No, there is much less strain on the rotator cuff with incline bench
Ayden Howard
Youre wrong, there is more. Decline is what has less strain on the rc.
Nathan Sanders
What about dumbell press?
James Foster
oh eych pee bre gud exersiss
Kayden Clark
>People on Veeky Forums do one of the most dangerous exercises >for shoulder health their is. >health their is >their
glad to know I can disregard your stupid stupid post :^)