No Fap and No Porn

I think the problem is that the truth is in the middle ground somewhere and most "evidence" is anecdotal. Fapping multiple times a day or fapping to a lot of porn isn't good. But I neither do I think not ejacluating for weeks on end is.
I think the best thing is to practice self discipline and moderation and fap 1-2 times a week

I don't finish, you tard.

>literally doesn't know what edging is
>tries to post in no fap thread

Get the fuck out

>This thread is about the PRACTICAL perspective

What does this mean? If you only believe that it's a placebo, fine, but if you're still achieving higher results, the fuck do you care?

>practical
>I need everything to be practical (I know what practical means)
>autism

Go play with some trains, bro.

All I know is walking around with your balls drained is a different experience than walking around with your cajones packed and ready for anything.

Also, I feel like there's a difference between jacking it and getting laid. There's some kind of sense of accomplishment with getting laid where there's a weird sense of shame after jacking it.

so placebo

What were the non-pornographic film clips these men were shown?

Did they ask the applicants their opinions on women's rights before the tests were conducted?

Porn has existed literally as long as art.

Fucking monkeys get the concept of porn and participated in an economy of trading food for pictures of high ranking female monkey vag and ass.
>b-but muh brain rewiring and associated broscience

it gave me more energy and concentration.

the third paragraph makes no fucking sense
>Men in the NoPorn group suggested 94 months on average, in the NoPorn Group only 50 months.

some great fucking image you got there, sure convinced me pal.

I can't even look a girl in the eyes without going 4 weeks nofap + noporn

Sounds more like a problem on your end, betamax. Feel free to keep chugging that koolaid instead of addressing your blindingly obvious problems though.

I blow my load 6 times a day and I still have a full head of hair and am revving to go when I finally do get a 1 night stand every few weeks. It's a meme friend. I don't feel tired or need extra sleep

it's randomized, retard

I stop jerking to porn cause it just feels weird and I feel gross after it. I still jerk off tho and it feels just as good as porn surprisingly.

Everyone's different

Alright, this will be my last time trying to explain this on this board. So it will be pretty long, so keep any replies till I finish all the posts or it's gonna get messy.

First of all I think nofap is stupid, the reason being that we've had masturbation available naturally since we were capable of it (which is thousands and thousands of years). There's plenty of reasons to continue, it helps relax, it helps relieve, it even helps prevent some cancers. However I can understand the psychological reasonings for quitting at least for a long period of time when choosing to live a porn-free life, the most major being association. Association means that it's rather hard to just continue fapping when you're so desensitized and used to having bucket loads of porn etc. Have there been actual studies? Yes, there have been and I'm not going to link them because you lazy cunts have google - use it if you're that interested. I'm just saying nodap demonizes something that shouldn't be.

Before getting to the no-porn part, just know that it's entirely up to what you want and your own lifestyle etc. If someone chooses to noporn then it's entirely their choice for whatever reason, it's just a choice just like choosing to continue using it. They are objectively no worse or better than each other - if you're OK with porn, if you're truly happy or don't care, then have at it. However because I support no-porn you're going to hear more about the negatives, because the idea is subjective to my beliefs, needs, wants and life.

SO why do I and many others choose to be porn free? If you've read up the basics there's a ton of reasons why. The first one is that we get a bit too comfortable with porn, for some it greatly has an effect on how you get off and what you get off too. You should know about the dopamine rush when you use porn right? It's much more potent than just plain fapping and using your imagination. Is it a bad thing? Again, it depends on your perspective. tbc

But what's really happening in your brain? First you're frying your own neurocircuitry by overloading it, and you're establishing new connections and begin to naturally associate that dopamine reward with an inanimate object - your screen. You're also associating it with being solitary, comfortable, you don't have any hurdles to jump - it's there when you want it always. A lot of men won't even seek their partner, or have very awful self control about the situation. They start thinking about porn in their mind WHILE having sex, and often it's hard for them to trigger off an orgasm because they have these new connections by watching porn. Again, if you're not having these problems then the "science" part of it is not important, but it is something to watch out for - if you can't quit porn or have any of these symptoms and you're trying to reason with them or deny that they exist then there's clearly a problem. In fact, with the first post OP made that to me was a clear sign of projection (trying to shift the blame to feel normalized or validated).

So what about the guys who just do it even without major addictions? It's greatly a moral thing, you may as for solid evidence of it actually helping people but it's impossible. The moral of not using porn is showing your partner and yourself that you are capable of full investment into a relationship. You will appreciate your relationship and the sex that comes with it more, even if it's marginal it will always be more. You show self control, you're fucking horny all the time, you're not into weird shit that you probably wouldn't have been otherwise. You can have fetishes naturally, but porn exaggerates them and gives new ones. Not only that, but because you're getting desensitized you crave more. Ever sat around edging to porn for 3 hours? Even half an hour? It's pretty fucked up man. I get it, edging feels great but I can vouch that I can now fap without porn and have the same experience with a 5 minute fap.

And you know what, I'm gay and I have a boyfriend. Quite often we fap over skype etc and I'll tell you why and when I decided to quit.

You're not wrong, I had a feminist friend (not like a feminazi, she just cares about the well being of people a lot) who discussed this stuff about porn and how it's affected people's perspectives of what's normal. From penis size, to clear skin, to makeup, to fitness expectations, all that junk. But it wasn't that which drove me to change, what drove me to change was seeing my boyfriend completely ignore me as I shared pictures of another man with him, seeing him click through hundreds of images of men. Sad thing was I was doing the same thing, and it suddenly clicked... What the fuck are we doing? It felt shit. I felt shit. You think you guys have it hard quitting on your own? I was an addict, I ran a porn blog and he was not far behind me. Truthfully he masturbated 5 - 6 times a day while I only did it 2x, but I ran a porn blog that I was SO desensitized to that I didn't even get turned on enough by all the content. But again, you guys think you have it hard trying to quit? Try having to get your partner to quit too at the same time. You know what effect this had on my relationship? He fucking ignored me. He jerked off on his own, made up excuses and started becoming a totally avoidant person. I was fucking pissed at first but I realized this wasn't him, this was the issue he had with porn and he turned out to actually be in a worse condition than me. He was effectively choosing dishonesty, disloyalty, and an inanimate object over an actual person.

But there is no problem here right? This is moral based right? It's my fault for the change right?
None of this should have existed to begin with.
Porn has only been THIS accessible for the past what? 30 years? We've taken hundreds of thousands of years to evolve sexuality and we've been given this thing that shits all over it.

Jesus Christ just stop using porn like crack. You know if you do this. 20 taps open. Watch every video for a few minutes, skipping all the the time. Watching more and more hardcore shit. Watching it on your mobile and jacking it in 5 min while taking a shit at work. That kinda stuff. THAT will DEFINITELY desensitize you.

Choose ONE movie, that's at least 25 min long. No extreme hardcore shit. Just two people having sex. Some threesome vids are OK but no DP bullshit, too hardcore. Just normal fucking. FFM>MMF because what are you a faggot?

Jack it with lube or an oil or something. Don't use "death grip" but be gentle; massage your dick more than just stroking up and down for half an hour. Massage the area around also. Do some kegels to practice endurance. Edge. Cum sometimes, don't other times. Do this once or twice a week tops. You'll be fine. In fact, you'll improve.

I've increased my PRs on my main lifts and my fapping frequency.

We've both quit now, at least reduced the intake by 99.9999%. Of course sometimes you can get carried away, sometimes you get curious. But we've developed the ability to know how to back off and say no to it. Our relationship is stronger, and while if he or I had been with anyone else we would have probably never seen the issue. So in the end and going back to what I said - there is no problem unless you see it but if you don't see it (or truly don't have a problem) and know there can be problems then choosing to quit is totally subjective.

You don't need porn, and sometimes I don't even think you're making a choice to want porn. I don't think anyone who uses porn has any real control over it at all, the porn controls you.

What constitutes a real man though? Don't give me that bullshit, it doesn't exist.
Do what makes you happy and what you believe is right.
It's about being a better person or human, it's about self control, respect etc.

The only reason why nofap is gaining momentum is because for many years we didn't know what was happening or the negative effects. People deserve to be educated and to make a real choice about it. Nobody is telling you it's bad, they're telling you to make an informed decision. If you don't want to know about it, then stop going on discussion boards - because that's what discussion boards are fucking for.

With that all said, I'm done.
I'm going to go to my loving boyfriend and happy porn-free relationship.

>no porners
>lower standards

sounds good to me

the thing is, it works wonders for me. So why wouldn't I do it?

>And you know what, I'm gay and I have a boyfriend.
LOL

You're actually retarded if you believe they had millions full motion videos accessible at any time of any type of content

"porn has existed"
yes, sure but you're comparing a grain of salt to mt. Everest.

>Nofap and noporn is the better thing to do, from a moral perspective.
There we have it, its literally veganism but for your dick

>And you know what, I'm gay and I have a boyfriend.

morals are subjective, cultures have different morals and shit. So I can understand how people think just doing what they want as a "man" makes them better while other men think self control and respect are morally right.

not to you but in general:
If you're in a relationship though, fucking quit porn man. I know girls AND guys say they're ok with it and shit but they're really not, they just don't know any better or just "believe" it's normal and has to be accepted. I get that you can jerk it to porn if you're not in a relationship, that way it doesn't matter unless you start choosing it over actually trying to get a relationship. If you want one night stands all your life then whatever, that's your choice. But if you're really looking into starting a serious relationship, treat your partner better. I'd say you were more of a man by doing that for them instead of just being a filthy casual.

It's more typical for a guy to jerk off to porn and push off their partner for it. You wanna be typical or do you wanna be great? The same theory for getting fit applies here.

>You're not wrong, I had a feminist friend (not like a feminazi, she just cares about the well being of people a lot) who discussed this stuff about porn and how it's affected people's perspectives of what's normal. From penis size, to clear skin, to makeup, to fitness expectations, all that junk.
Every normal person thinks pornstars are worse looking that normal women.
>fitness expectations
lmao
>penis size
lmao^2, maybe for gay porn, but women base their sexual expectations of their bf's penis size on what their friends say and what they experience.

it's more typcial for a guy to browse the Internet and to push off self-improvement for it. You wanna be typical or do you wanna be great? The same theory for getting fit applies here.

Oh look someone who is too dumb to make the right connections. Penos size was to do with how MEN have severe insecurity of their dick. Though women have altered expectations to some extent, the average penis expectation is actually larger than what it actually is.

Nobody does Nofap to become white knights, they do it to increase test. That is the real question that needs to be tested

>Though women have altered expectations to some extent, the average penis expectation is actually larger than what it actually is.
women always have wanted above average m8, if you actually lifted weights and wern't ugly youd recognize how much women will go for an above average man compared to the average
>muh insecurities
so dont be insecure

Different guy but the feeling of full testicles LITERALLY feels more comfortable, no placebo there.

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So you say we should only use locally sourced, non-gmo, grass-fed porn?

Exactly.

What are you gonna do, stare into a woman's eyes with your shrivelled up, empty ball sack?

To all of you who have problems talking to women when you've been watching porn, THAT IS A GOOD THING. It means you haven't disconnected the porn you watch from the real thing. You still have shame while talking to a girl because you have essentially seen her naked and jacked off to it too. It's shameful seeing a woman purely as a sex object and then trying to treat a real girl respectfully.

Now that you're ready to call me a whiteknight faggot, I promise I am not. This is literally the only topic where I would agree with the "whiteknight stance", unless if you think treating women with a general sense of respect is whiteknighting. That being said, stay the fuck away from porn. Anyone who disagrees with me is either a porn addict or someone who has gotten to the point where they can confidently treat all women as sex objects. If that's a characteristic you want of yourself then go ahead and watch porn, but for anyone who wants to maintain some sense of morality I advise against it.

Porn is run by jews to destroy men testosteron in order to have a society of docile manlets

>(((scientists)))

harmful effects have been attributed to it for a long time as well.

>For a whore is a deep ditch; and a strange woman is a narrow pit.
>She also lieth in wait as for a prey, and increaseth the transgressors among men.

>I can't even look a girl in the eyes
I think you might find it's ejaculating which is tied to that.

>fap to porn
>I'm a porn addict
Kek. No proofers BTFO

>It's shameful seeing a woman purely as a sex object and then trying to treat a real girl respectfully.
She'll still be the same person, with the same competences and ideas, it only changes anything if you wanted to date or fuck her.
Do you respect women only if you see them as pure waifus? They have lives, and can be more than just wives and mothers, have competences and ideas on top of an uterus.
Nothing wrong in not being interested in them sexually, because you don't care for their sexual behaviour, but to completely lose respect? What about their non-sexual lives, wouldn't you still respect them for their works, if worhty?

There are a lot of accounts of abstinence working to address issues like anxiety, though. While it might be self-image improving since there's a lot of shame around sexuality and masturbating especially, it might be that sexual stimulation and anxiety are linked neurochemically. Here's an article about the link of dopamine with anxiety.
dana.org/News/Details.aspx?id=42898
and dopamine is involved in sexual arousal, so too much sexual arousal - or too high of a sexual arousal/satisfaction ratio - might have unbalanced anxiety levels as a side-effect.

>we've had masturbation available naturally since we were capable of it (which is thousands and thousands of years).
Humans have a built-in tendency not to do it, because it actually feels bad if you're in a mentally healthy state. I remember one user saying he doesn't masturbate because it just feels "like a tease". Also, humans who have high levels of physical activity in the outdoors (a natural life) often report less inclination to masturbate. Similarly I remember reading a book by a zoologist (I think it was The Human Zoo by Desmond Morris) saying that animals don't masturbate in the wild, but they tend to start doing it when they're physically confined. They also start self-harming, rocking back and forth etc.
>it helps relax, it helps relieve
in the same way eating a huge tub of ice-cream helps a food addict to find "relief" (comfort food).
>prevent some cancers
if you're in your 20s and 30s frequent masturbation is associated with increased risk of prostate cancer, it's only in men in their 50s that it's associated with reduced risk and that's correlation anyway so it might not be that masturbation is the cause in either case.

It's totally fine to be sexually interested in any girl, but while watching porn I think it's too easy to connect that sexual interest with what you see in porn. Nobody watches porn to see people hug or kiss, but those are both activities that express your sexual interest for a girl. This is just my experience but when I stopped watching porn just hugging a girl became infinitely more satisfying. I haven't had sex for religious reasons and I know people will ignore my opinion for that but I'm just throwing my honest experience out there.

there's a study showing a peak at 10days abstinence from ejaculation if I remember right - I don't think a study has been done on masturbation (separate from ejaculation) or pornography usage, except that I think studies have reported visual sexual stimulus to be linked to a rise in test in the immediate short-term.

it's possible that watching a high enough amount would deplete your test so you didn't have any for other activities, I don't know enough about test to speculate.

It's common sense that when you use porn, you're artificially turning yourself on. It's not real, dumb fuck. It makes you have retarded expectations with real sex. Fapping once a day without porn is fine. Most guys here are such cucks that they couldn't even fap without porn.

also the fact that porn is typically watching two people have sex, while you're fapping to them, which is by definition, one step away from being a real life cuck.

so watching porn is quite literally for cucks. it's fucking disgusting anyway. you're watching dirty people fuck and act like they give a shit when its a glorified prostitute.

>if you think treating women with a general sense of respect is whiteknighting
I suspect the idea that women deserve respect is a product of modern society, in my admittedly basic understanding ancient "warrior cultures" saw respect as solely a matter of how men related to other men.

for example, "virtus" in ancient Rome.

Thanks for your post, I had never read a gay person's perspective on porn and it was interesting to see it's pretty much the same.

>It makes you have retarded expectations with real sex
this is the same argument used to shame anyone who's healthy or aesthetic.

I jerked off 5+ times a day during one stretch, and I couldn't get hard when I was with my gf.

After stopping cold for a month I was normal again, don't do it too much.

who gives a shit about actual studies you saw your picture and how everyone will think of you as a beta cuck if you dont jack off. do the normal thing fuck science

I define whiteknighting as going out of your way to defend or please a woman with expectation of reward or the approval of women.

By respect I mean not disregarding a woman's feelings or desires to satisfy your own, which is how you should treat all people anyway.

>Anyone who disagrees with me is either a porn addict or someone who has gotten to the point where they can confidently treat all women as sex objects.
Genius bait or profound mental retardation? Who can tell anymore?

I have a theory.

I've done NoFap a few times, to test out the best plan of action to have when doing it. First, I did 5 days. In the last few of them I started to get really fucking uncomfortable and I got boners from nearly anything. This made me irritated and strained because of the urges I needed to put down. This irritation, I can imagine can give you an energy boost. You're a bit on edge - so that anger might translate into energy.

Next, I did a week. Same thing as last time, but the last day was fucking amazing. I haven't been so functional not once after it. This was explained later, as I read that at about a week in, testo levels soar as your body tries to force you to ejaculate. This should considered as a warning sign. After the few days of testosterone madness, your T-levels apparently go down quick. I experienced this when I went 3 weeks NoFap. After a few weeks, I lost all sexual desire. Hell, I had some troubles getting it up in the end of it.

Conclusion: You should try going 1-2 weeks NoFap, release and then start again.

>Nobody watches porn to see people hug or kiss, but those are both activities that express your sexual interest for a girl. This is just my experience but when I stopped watching porn just hugging a girl became infinitely more satisfying.
Maybe you're just a slimy, skeezy piece of shit? Don't project your dispassionate, juvenile manner of hornyness onto the rest of us.