ITT: Convince me not to roid

let's look at this objectively:

Pros:
>Faster recovery/gains
>More confidence
>Stronger
>More energy

Cons:
Possible side effects including but not limited to:
>hair loss
>gyno
>acne
>infertility
>messed up lipid profile
>blood pressure increase

Cons that can be mitigated:
>gyno (take an AI)
>hair loss to some extent (genetics)
>blood pressure with proper estrogen control/dosage. (AI, not overdoing)
>lipid profile: healthier diet, supplementation

It's ultimately on you OP. For me the pros outweigh the cons with proper usage.

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By doing a very simple cost-benefit analysis, mild to moderate roid usage provides the most ideal value given Price - Health - Benefits(gains).

Of course when you cross over into Pro powerlifter/bodybuilder-tier and go too fucking far is when you screw yourself up though

When you stop you'll lose the gains you made as a result of roids.

Are roids more likely to cause acne if you're naturally prone to it?

My skin finally cleared up at 23 that's the biggest one I don't want to risk.

Why would you ever stop?

Besides, evidence seems to show that even a couple of cycles and then stopping has beneficial effects years after discontinuing usage.

>Are roids more likely to cause acne if you're naturally prone to it?

Depends on the causes of your acne.

I wouldn't blast tren though if you're known to have issues with backacne/chest acne.

no, they eat fists and tackles for a living. Plenty of guys do tons of roids and live long lives. Most guys who get punched in the face or use their heads as a battering ram for a living do not.

Yes for sure. I've always had bad acne and with roids deca will bring it out for me on my back.

Tren will bring it on my chest

Anadrol will put it towards my arms.

It's kind of weird but that's what I noticed.

A lot of the acne can be mitigated with more frequent dosages to keep blood levels stable.

Yes exactly. I only use test for right now because cost wise it's only 25 bucks a vial for me (lasts 5 weeks at 500 mg a week) and little to no side effects.

I can maintain and keep gaining at 250+ lbs.

I'm who you replied to.

That's a good point. I don't have any experience roiding, but I bet it takes a lot of work to get to OP's pic.

My original comment applies if you're taking supps and training hard to become as big as possible. If OP stays lean and smart and does a lot of cardio he can roid and pass as a genetically gifted natty in professional circles.

Conversely, I've never had any real acne in my life, so I wouldn't have to worry about it?

>Yes exactly. I only use test for right now because cost wise it's only 25 bucks a vial for me (lasts 5 weeks at 500 mg a week) and little to no side effects.
>I can maintain and keep gaining at 250+ lbs.

Exactly.

Moderate test blasts/cruise gives you TONS of gains above natty and yet is cheap, no negative side effects and effective. Whereas going balls to the wall Mast/Test/Tren/oral is going to fuck your shit up in some way.

Most roiders don't look insanely huge.

Take a look in your gym at 40+ year old guys who are pretty strong and quite lean. They're probably on TRT-tier doses. They look pretty good for their age but they're not monstrosities in any sense of the word.

Shit affects people differently man.

some people get TERRIBLE bacne from even moderate doses, some don't get any at all. see for yourself.

>I wouldn't blast tren though if you're known to have issues with backacne/chest acne.
Fuck. Yeah according to my derm I have hormonal acne.

Guess I'm rolling testless in this life.

Test doesn't usually render such issues

Have you tried accutane?

I did 80mg for 5 months and now I never worry about that shit

Interesting. I'll probably roid when I hit 25 or 26 based on this information.

Scott has all his hair, unlike baseball cap there.

Jeremy Buendia has all his hair as well.

>Test doesn't usually render such issues
Ah so only certain roids have these sides?

>Have you tried accutane?
Yes it worked wonderfully, but my doctor refuses to prescribe it to me now, I was about to get it from another doctor when another MD I really respect told me not to.

I tried the topical stuff it actually worked somewhat too, but I still get small breakouts every now and then.

If I have raging hard-ons each morning, can achieve a rock-solid erection with just my imagination, can fuck again after about 2 minutes of cumming, am always horny, etc... as a natty.

If I hop on test enanthate 500mg for 6 weeks and don't do any kind of PCT, will it fuck my libido?

That's the one thing I'm afraid of losing. I'm naturally really high in test, I'm afraid of disrupting that system... (1000+ ng/DL in my thirties)

>If I hop on test enanthate 500mg for 6 weeks and don't do any kind of PCT, will it fuck my libido?

Explain why you would only do 6 weeks of a long ester?

Enanthate takes about 4 weeks to get to peak levels, you're not going to feel shit until then. It makes NO SENSE to do less than 14 weeks.

>Don't do any kind of PCT

Explain why the heck you would not do PCT?

>Explain why you would only do 6 weeks of a long ester?

I don't aspire to cruise my entire life... I want to take some kind of easy cycle and see if I like it or not.

>Explain why the heck you would not do PCT?
see above. I don't even take acetaminophen tablets. I literally only consume meat, vegetables, fruit, dairy and cannabis. I don't like pills. I don't particularly like injecting shit into my body either. But I understand enough about sterons to know that simple test is as 'natural' as a steroid can be

Also not everyone spends their time reading about test doses and cycles and pct and shit. Don't fly off the handle, I was just asking a question.

This is debatable, with no PCT you're going to take a while to recover. During that recovery period your labido will significantly be reduced and so will your test levels.

Now it has yet to be proven if doing a cycle permanently affects your overall total T. I have yet to find a definitive answer.

From personal experience I feel like it does lower total t even months after cycling.

From a scientific point of view there seems to be too many variables to account for in order to really prove a causation.

thanks ghandi

once I hit 35 if I see the levels start dropping I'm definitely hopping on some kind of 250-500 test cycle. I just feel like I won the test lottery and I dont really want to fuck that up until I have to.

I'll look into pct a bit more and come holler at you guys in /fraud/ when I'm ready. Cheers

6 week cycle makes no sense whatsoever.

You might as well not roid if you're going to do something dumb like that. PCT is necessary

Sup Veeky Forums

I've been thinking about gearing recently and been reading quite a bit about it across the interweb and need some help deciding on a few things.

First some background:
>just turned 21
>always worked out in hs for sports but just now getting back into it heavily
>great diet, that's easy for me
>great workout, also easy for me

Now what I'm unsure of is what type(s) of gear I should use if I do choose to do so, and what kind of cs and pcs I should use. There's so many different options and it's hard to decide using the internet because everyone just wants to push their own products.

I am naturally a skinny fag so I'm basically always bulking, from what I've read Dbol is very effective for fags like me, is this true /fit? Also what kind of supports should I use with this?

If I do gear I don't plan on doing it often, only as a boost to what I'm already doing, because what I'm already doing is making me gains.

If left is natty achievable I don't need roids

it's not

Don't gear til you reach the natty limit.

Lift seriously for about three years and then decide if you want to use gear but using it as a dyel will be a waste

It is achievable for those who stay consistent, stay on top of their diet and lift seriously for 5+ years

yeah brah just do a dbol only cycle why you're DYEL
100mg a day until you can cut diamonds with your nipples

>scott herman
>on roids
KEK
why are you so easily impressed? watch his videos

wow, if it makes people as salty as you are I think I'll pass. Calm the fuck down

Natty is more aesthetic (better proportions) and better for getting laid.

nice b8 faggot

I'm bigger and leaner then herms as a natty

[citation needed]

>Look like you lift in clothes
>Look like you lift naked
Natties can only pick one

my citation is that Scott Herman is natty and he isn't even that large or cut for a natty, either. If you think you need roids to achieve that physique either your programming or diet is wrong, or you are just a bitch who doesn't lift.

Legitamite question: where does one obtain roids?

I have absolutely no experience with them other than when I was younger I was told they are terrible for you and will make your dick shrink.Now that I am much older I know that's bullshit so I have been thinking about using but I need to be hardcore redpilled..

/fraud/ or /r/steroids will probably send you some via post

I know that Scott is natty
I want to see how you're bigger and leaner than Scott yourself with evidence

Ok. If you get on gear, you can never hop off. This means you will never get more than a one night stand with a worthwhile girl. That down to earth nurse or lawyer qt will never marry you once she finds out you're on gear. Then you'll have to choose between her or gear, then you'll hop off gear and look like a 2 year old prune for the rest of your life.

>dating lawyers
>ever

depends on what youre lifting for

if its for asthetics (aka lifting to look good, assuming for girls)

the roid look they dont like...

they like more ottermode

so cut to get lean and dont get freakish big and da girls will like you then

Meaning you had no idea what were you talking about and yet you spoke anyway.
Pharmacists and doctors have as much of idea of what's possible natty as any other folks. They usually know nothing about lifting.

But that's the thing I'm past dyel, I had a pretty big head start since i lifted for about 14-19 and got pretty large/strong, and of recent i've just been gaining back what I lost during a year of college(basically put on 10lbs fat and lost strength) but I've been working my ass ass for about 4 months and I'm almost back at where i left off which was plateauing at around 170lbs, lost the fat, and my lifts aren't going to keep going up for long.

Wrong, it's worth doing one cycle of tren to get dat dere trenface as well as running clen when you want to get below 8% bf. Also what girls say they like and what they actually like are completely different things, the aesthetic/physique body (e.g. Jeff, Guzman, Zyzz) is what they like most.

I'm seeing a lawyer on the side now. One of the smartest girls I've met.

What? Sauce please, this sounds interesting

>One of the smartest girls I've met
That's why it's a red flag, I hope you're not naive

Hey, remember that one guy who decided not to take roids to be remembered throughout history?

Yeah neither does Arnold Schwarzenegger.

you're a fucking loser

Not him, but when you're settling down for a wife it's great to marry someone smart. Then again, lawyers probably have the highest divorce rates...

Brilliantly insightful.

I work in IT
Where does that place me?

I don't want my boyfriend to roid because I don't want his balls to turn into raisins and I want him to have a full head of hair.

Also it's illegal. I guess my reasons aren't too convincing.

Why would you lose legit muscle you put on while on roids? Wouldn't your body just dial down to your natty limit?

Guy on the left already looks better than captain dbol bloatface.

He should still roid tho, to get bigger arms/shoulders.

>Guy on the left already looks better
>He should still roid tho

I won't convince shit, why should we care if you take roids? Roids are for losers and so are you.

kys

What happened to Munzer

"Some of the specific autopsy findings were an extremely muscular physique with an almost complete absence of subcutaneous fat, a liver that contained numerous table tennis ball-sized tumors (with half the liver consisting simply of a crumbly mass that was similar to polystyrene), shriveled testes, and cardiac hypertrophy (Münzer's heart weighed 636g; a normal man's heart usually weighs 300–350g). Münzer's electrolytes were also out of balance, and his potassium levels were extremely high. Traces of about 20 different drugs were found, along with acute toxicity..."

Fuck that. I'm staying natty forever.

IF your going to do it, do everything absolutely correctly.
Get bloods before during and after, have a proper AI and pct planned out, have extras for everything, do a round of hcg, have a perfect diet and routine before, during and after. All of this together, plus genetics that don't fuck you in the ass for taking roids (most people are okay, but it happens to some) and you can get by with great results, a little backne and being shutdown for a little while.
Unless you have some extreme reaction, or your susceptible to aromatisation, you will be fine. This is why the recommended first cycle is simple test e with an optional oral kick start, and nice simple and safe cycle that you can easily read if something goes wrong.

This is rubbish. Ask anyone who lifted naturally for 3-10 years before they hopped on, every single one wishes they had done it after 2 years.
A better recommendation is to complete minimum 2 years of training total, with at least one year straight of solid diet and routine (leading up to cycle).
That is more than enough, there is huge diminishing returns when you go past the 2 year point, which steroids completely shoot past.

I'm in IT to working for a defence company. We employ everything from QT girl apprentices to 45+ yr old cougars looking to find any man who will dick them as they enter the menopause years.

My co-worker roids heavily. Between his retard tier cycles he's either blasting and cruising test-prop or trying some kind of crazy new pro-hormone before sinking £1000's into bath tub shit for 10-14 week blasts.

Between working out, roiding and work he spends most his time raging on WoW/Overwatch or playing Multplayer Black Ops. He's not the most suave guy around and doesn't go clubbing. I'd guess...6/10 face too but has like two hard-drives full of pics and videos of girls he's fucked from meeting IRL and POF/Dating/Tinder etc.

In addition he has fucked alot of the female staff, so much so he times his cycles so that he will look juciest in December for the team party. I've caught him fucking two female apprentices in the same night and this HR Divorcee once asked him for a ride home and straddled him in his car as 'thanks'. It's sort of funny I guess but the thing I don't understand is that the women know they have all been fucked by him yet pretend to one another they haven't.

Overall I'd say in IT roiding lets you overcome an inherent perception in that people think you're a dweeb or a weirdo who watches porn and plays video games too much. If I talk about a game for example its a 'little lame' and I should 'find better hobbies and go out more' if he does it people literally say shit like 'You know I've always wanted to try video games!' or 'Wow are you like a professional game player?' It creates a halo effect that fucks peoples views up. Also since 90% of our job is doing stupidly fucking easy things like moving physical assets and implement change requests (resetting passwords, dishing out access rights etc) the younger apprentices think he's some kind of tech hercules and worship him.

Damn
I said convince me not to roid not the other way around

Thanks user. Fuck

I'm in IT but I don't roid

I only work with nerds, sadly. Not even one woman in the 'office', although 90% of my work is done here from home

>pic related

>Not even one woman in the 'office'
>90% of my work is done here from home

Where are your lats?

unless you plan on competing, don't fuck up your body. take it from people like lee priest who have actually been in the business.

>wow, if it makes people as salty as you are I think I'll pass. Calm the fuck down

In what way am I salty?

I simply am informing you that what you suggested makes no sense. I'm not mad, or angered in any way. it just doesn't make sense what you're talking about doing

Thought you were married with kids vascubrah

When are you going to drop trip you nasty old junky creep?

Take out your trash. Get that dumbass tattoo removed.

LOL wtf am i looking at here?
why does it look like your body is in the middle of getting sucked into a blackhole?

I meant that at the 10% that I do spend in the 'office' (and it's not an office, it's some dudes' house) there are no women.

I just posted this exact pic in the CBT and first comment was
>Damn, nice lats.
get your shit together, Veeky Forums

>Veeky Forums is one person

ok, your lats are so huge. Omg wow

>why does it look like your body is in the middle of getting sucked into a blackhole?
You might be higher then I am, idk

I am
neber
those are actually stuffed animals and kids' blankets. I just bought a new house in a new city

gettin dem dere mires in the new gym, actually

Shut your lowlife mouth you faggot, you think there's no telltale signs of steroid use a medical professional could spot from a mile off? Delusional.

Def keep going to those traditional chinese medicine doctors or reiki healers and die sooner for me though.

>it's not an office, it's some dudes' house

What exactly is your job?

I thought you were one dude using the trip 'Anonymous'

is that not how this board works?

post your body, Mr. Yates. I'd love to see your massive lats

I can't wait for the amount of cyberbullying you get on here to convince you to kill yourself

T B H

I'm a senior software engineer in a small IT firm

I just moved because promotion + huge raise + I work with a bunch of cool af stoners that know how to have a good time rather than some stuffy corporate POS gig

>implying WWE is real

Honestly though the average chad doing a cycle or two of light roids isn't going to take more years off his life than eating healthily and getting regular exercise adds. It's big cycles of weird shit, and cycle after cycle that people should avoid.

Dude I've been lurking here for a while now, a bit over 2 years. None of you faggots mean anything to me. I've seen the CBTs. The majority of you have no business talking shit, yet you do anyway.... Besides, if I couldn't take the bantz I wouldn't post, and I definitely wouldn't trip

no lats;dr

Too old; didn't read

Thinking of doing my first cycle next spring. Dbol kickstart weeks 1-6 with 500mg of Test e per week for 14 weeks.

Any critiques? I'm currently 6'2 210 but am cutting pretty hard to get down to 190-185ish.

>Too old; didn't read

>b-but scooby is cool though!

He's useful
Plus he even has visible lats breh

tb h, I don't like scooby's aesthetic at all

He looks like a fat dude who just happens to lift. I'm much more interested in achieving something like pic related. I'm even letting my hair grow right now

>tfw forever mirin' based natty sadik

This isn't natty though

whatever it looks natty enough to me

he looks way better before then he does now
>pic extremely related, based zane tho