Anybody do paleo? is it a retarded meme diet?

Where did cavemen find cooking oil?

>"you'll want to stay away from highly processed meats and meats that are very high in fat"
>lists bacon twice as a good food to eat

wat

memes

Paleo and keto aren't necessarily the same, and neither are that great for lowering insulin anyway

nutritionfacts.org/video/paleo-diets-may-negate-benefits-of-exercise/

New diet: eat less

Paleo is mainly a moral thing, e.g. muh processed foods, muh GMOs, muh organics. For purposes of cutting or bulking, these things don't matter.

One thing that does need to be pointed out, paleo is NOT the same thing as keto. For example, fruit is paleo but not keto. Sugar free protein powder is keto but not paleo.

>2 MILLION YEARS AGO
We literally weren't even humans in the sense that we are now.

Another interesting video discussing the evolutionary argument of Paleo

nutritionfacts.org/video/the-problem-with-the-paleo-diet-argument/

Pretty much this. You should be eating lots of fruits and vegetables, lots of protein, and limiting simple carbs. A paleo diet lets you do that, but there's nothing magic about "paleo" foods - you can get the same results while still eating beans and grains and dairy as long as you track your macros.

It's the same reason a gluten-free diet has benefits for a lot of people - if your main source of gluten is beer and pizza, then cutting gluten from your diet will improve your health. But you could also just cut back on beer and pizza without going gluten-free and get similar results.

>ou should be eating lots of fruits
>and limiting simple carbs

Fruits are a simple carb.

>limit simple carbs
>eat a lot of fruit
pick one

Fruit has fiber, which is a complex carb

yourlogicalfallacyis.com/composition-division

That's true, should have said refined simple carbs.

>based on bullshit
>still works

Pick one

The problem you run into with paleo is that people still think they can eat as much of the approved food as they want. That's where they go wrong. I did strict paleo after a knee surgery a couple years ago and dropped 30lbs in 6 months. I am down 60 pounds from my starting weight and have been back on strict paleo for 5 days so far. You're only supposed to eat until you feel full!, not gorge yourself or over eat. Nuts is where most get in trouble with the high caloric density. They replace carb snacks with nuts and overdo it through cravings.

The paleo eating plan can work if you follow the same basic principles as any other eating plan.

For paleo to not be totally retarded, you have to be eating way more fruits and vegetables than anything else. Pounds of greens a day, lots of berries and other fruits, with small portions of lean meat.

b-but muh bacon and eggs fried in coconut oil

I do Paleo but I eat granola, milk and oats

A-am I gonna make it, family?

PALEO IS OBJECTIVELY THE BEST DIET. ANYBODY THAT SAYS OTHERWISE IS PROBABLY A FAT PERMAVIRGIN.

there is no frugal way to eat paleo

I feel like I'm missing something. Don't you need a good portion of your diet to come from carbs in order to build muscle? Can you make gains with this?

true dat

Paleo is exclusively for white people that want to get toned

>The diet is nothing like a prehistoric human would have eaten

Pretty much this, they can't even agree what the diet would have looked like. Not to mention none of the foods that are supposedly "paleo" are even remotely like their paleolithic ancestors. It's yet another fad meme diet that works if you keep calories and macros in check (like literally every other diet that does so)

>see gif
>look for sauce
>not porn
why would anyone do this to me

> nutritionfacts.org
pls stop, you have a problem

that is correct.

you know you can be right by chance?

in order to build muscle you need protein, training, l-leucin and energy. The energy can come from carbs, fat or protein (glycogenisis).
So no, you don't need carbs.

depends on the fruits
fructose goes through fat-metabolism.

>no grains
>no dairy
>no starchy vegtables

Problem?

>Fats are good: Butter, ghee, lard, tallow, etc
>lists the least healthy fats besides trans fats

>current year
>still believing saturated animal fats are bad

do you even french/spanish/japanese/norweigen/etc. paradox?

>unanimous agreement between all the world's experts
>b-but I read an amateur blog post that said science is wrong!

nutritionfacts.org/video/what-explains-the-french-paradox/

Building muscle requires anaerobic training. That's fueled by carbohydrate. You don't synthesize enough endogenously on low carbohydrate diets for optimal performance and recovery.

sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221226721501802X

>unanimous agreement among the old guard
>contradicted by recent research

don't fall for it. science advances by the death of the established elites, who are almost universally wrong in significant ways about controversial subjects.

now do the american paradox, and how statins don't improve mortality by lowering cholesterol etc.

come on, kiddo.

The Paleo diet is so meme as hell. It's certainly better than the standard american diet, but some of the restrictions are just retarded.

The ban on legumes in particular stands out as odd. You're trying to tell me that cavemen ate extracted coconut oil, but they never touched beans?

In reality our ancestors probably ate every other day on average because gathering and catching food isn't always easy

paleo mostly has you eating good, healthy food, but the reasoning behind it is retarded.

Even the name is retarded OP.

Look, I know you are thinking a lot about what you have to eat and what you shouldnt eat, the internet is pestered with diets and memes.

Just calculate your TDEE and eat accordingly.

Also:

>nutritiondata.com

The best source I know, it has many tools that will help you with your diet.

>these shit reasons

>whey and casein is bad
Veeky Forums heresy

>Japanese paradox
1950s Japan had a fat intake of 8% and an animal fat intake of 2% and there were almost no countries in Asia with more than 20% calories from fat. So this is a bit odd to include Japan when their traditional diet is one the lowest-fat diets known.

This is a good point. Reminds me of that study where they just put people out in the wilderness and tried to emulate a paleolithic experience. Can't find it now though. Basically the participants felt unhappy and like shit but most their health markers improved, mostly due to stress and fasting or some shit.

japanese immigrants to america who retained traditional culture but adopted the american diet lived longer than those who retained both or adopted both. and those who dropped the culture and kept the diet.

also japanese have been eating more saturated animal fat and having less heart disease and less mortality from heart disease.

You can't just invent things randomly to make arguments, you know. It helps to make statements which are somehow related to reality.
circ.ahajournals.org/content/118/25/2725

I eat 143g of protein, 78g of fat and 382g of carbs every day. I'm bulking on 2800kcal at 167 pounds for 6.0ft. Are these proportions out of whack ? OP's image has got me worried about the amount of carbs

>confusing "risk" with "rates"

do you even try to read the shit you post?

>is it a retarded meme diet?

Yeah, you pretty much defined it.

I used neither the word "risk" nor the word "rate". It also helps to read the shit you respond to, you know.

I don't follow a strict paleo or keto diet but I follow the principals of: Don't eat processed food and drinks, don't eat foods with a lot of extra hormones, preservatives, and added sugars, avoid all foods with trans fats, eat foods that are whole/fresh, and foods as close to the source as possible. Because of this I garden and grow a lot of my own food. It's really fucking simple and not "meme" in any way.

Backyard garden and raise a few chickens if you can. Within 2 years your garden and chickens are sustainable and prints money

but user, will you cry if you eat a bean or a grain?

I dodn't say you did.

I mentioned rate, you post a risk paper.

You can't even fucking read regular posts. No wonder you can't read papers.

No, I just make sure my grains are not bleached and refined, I try to buy them raw and in bulk, and I don't go out of my way to snack on chips, crackers, etc.

well lah dee frickin da

look who's of middle eastern descent her with his fancy whole grains and antinutrients.

>look who's of middle eastern descent her with his fancy whole grains and antinutrients.

what?

retarded meme diet
>don't eat anything produced by ag!
lmao

Risk and rate are related though. I used the word "related". Apparently it must be very hard to understand that there are several factors that affect CHD rate. What you seem to believe is that the claims is that only saturated fat affects rate. This is wrong. Your argument pattern is identical to that of global warming deniers, who contend that the claim is that only human activity affects global temperature. This is also wrong.

You are not actually smarter than the most accomplished scientists in the world, so sorry to burst your bubble.

>it assumes the diet of people from 10,000 years ago to 100 years ago didn't change at all
>it thinks that the diet of sapiens from 2m years ago was the same as the diet of sapiens from 10k years ago
>pays no mind to the different diets of people based on geography
>no insects
confirmed retard, don't listen to it

way too many carbs

OPs image is retarded in case you didn't notice. You macros look pretty optimal

Yes.

Nearly every type of food that grows has been engineered to give the best results.

>I disregard health professionals and take nutrition advice from blogs.

...

It's a meme diet for crossfitters.

It works for people who eat processed shit all the time. When they finally cut it out, SUR-FUCKING-PRISE, weight loss!

>says the low carb fatty

When will this meme die? There is literally nothing wrong with crossfit.

>butter
>oils
>paleo
What the fuck am I reading?

Whole grains are even more toxic than refined. Enjoy your leaky gut.

How long can you do that for? I read a NYT article that said your metabolism can crash permanently. Has anyone dieted long term? Is there any validity to this?

>"Leaky gut syndrome" is said to have symptoms including bloating, gas, cramps, food sensitivities, and aches and pains. But it's something of a medical mystery.

>“From an MD’s standpoint, it’s a very gray area"

>"Leaky gut syndrome" isn't a diagnosis taught in medical school. Instead, "leaky gut really means you’ve got a diagnosis that still needs to be made,”

I don't like this broscience

Was it Karen O'Dea's experiment with diabetic Aussie abo's?

>No fatty meats
>We love bacon

Eh?

Also,
>No energy drinks

Fuck that!

>taught in medical school

That's right, good goy. Take more drugs and eat more shitty food. Dr. Shekelstein always knows best.

Good goy. Buy our free range, hormone free, gluten free, whey free, GMO free, organic $7 heads of lettuce. You'll NEVER get cancer*

you and your mom are "related" but i fucked her not you

>>contradicted by recent research

Research that's been reviewed by other scientists and found to be inadequate. The body of science against saturated fats is so robust at this point that it's unrealistic to expect things to suddenly reverse with the publication of a new paper.

Depends on your goals, but the biggest points paleo tries to push are all things most modern humans are better off doing/knowing:

Meat and fat won't make you sick and fat
Industrial seed oils are pretty fucking bad for you
Sugar is pretty fucking bad for you
Grains are probably bad for you, but maybe not. This one depends, but most sedentary americans overeat grains like fucking crazy.

First reason is the most bullshit reason, they should have hid that further down. Legumes are really high in minerals and folate, and good luck getting more than the bare minimum fiber intake without them.

Pretty high in calories and low in satiety. At least for me, when I eat beans, I want to eat more beans about 20 minutes later. Not so with eggs, meat, avocado, berries... all staples of my sort-of-paleo diet.

I feel the opposite. They're relatively low in calories and they're so high in water, fiber, and protein that they're hard to overeat.

>Meat and fat won't make you sick and fat

Atleast say "they might not in smaller amounts." It's generally accepted that a diet high in meat is bad.

>Grains are probably bad for you, but maybe not. This one depends, but most sedentary americans overeat grains like fucking crazy.

Always make the distinction between refined and whole grains. White bread is a very different animal than hulled barley. Americans love refined grains, but something like 1% of America eats the minimum recommended amount of whole grains.

>White bread is a very different animal than hulled barley.

Yeah, absolutely. If I were to eat grains, I'd eat cooked whole farro or steel cut oats, for example.

>
Atleast say "they might not in smaller amounts." It's generally accepted that a diet high in meat is bad.

Maybe, but what's killing *most* americans early is "diseases of modern excess". Obesity/high blood sugar and the cancers and diseases that are caused by both.

It's a huge mistake that too much meat is thought to be the or a cause. Just look at the shopping cart of an obese person at the super market, it's all packaged goods. Drink mixes, snacks, cereals, breads, all crap that is very easy to overeat and has very low satiety.

Compare all that junk to a dinner of meat and vegetables and the person will be more full for a long period of time.

So when someone looks at a fat person's diet and says they eat too much meat, in reality they're overeating everything, and the first that that should be cut is what the body needs the least, excess carbs.

Americans would definitely do well to stop loading up on snack foods and processed junk, but it wouldn't be right to say everything bad is caused by those foods exclusively and nothing else could pose a health risk. You could cut down on junk food AND fatty meats at the same time, replacing them with smaller portions of leaner cuts, as well as legumes, whole grains, vegetables, and fruits

who could be this fucking stupid?

>Just look at the shopping cart of an obese person at the super market, it's all packaged goods. Drink mixes, snacks, cereals, breads, all crap that is very easy to overeat and has very low satiety.
Funny, I'm European and saw a gigantic American-sized hamplanet the other day and her shopping cart was around 75% calories from animal products, mostly cheese, ham, sausages and fatty meats, 10% calories from junk food, oil and margarine and 15% calories from carbohydrates, bread, fruits and vegetables.

The carbphobia among Americans is really one of the funniest phenomena you can find on the internet. Americans have one of the lowest-carb diets in the world and low-carb diets are the most popular diets for weight loss there, and they are also the fattest nation on the planet. Americans actually think 50% calories from carbohydrates is a lot, maybe these fat fucks should just leave their country for once to get some insight into how many carbs people are smashing around the world in places where it isn't customary for grocery stores to provide electric carts for obese people.