/fraud/

Dont need hcg during cycle. Don't really need it post cycle either
PCT is typically 4 weeks long but you go until you feel normal again and that can be longer
You didn't actually post your pct but if you are just using HCG and an AI you need to go do more research

>So what really happens when you cycle off? I've seen so many conflicting opinions. Some people seem say the gains just disappear, others say they lose a little but not too much.

Depends on if you're at below/above your natty potential(if your natural test cant uphold 230lbs 8% bf then you'll obviously lose that shit), but it mostly depends on your diet and training too.

It's possible, and often reported that people kept nearly all their gains off a single cycle of test as beginners

No

In for knee length vests

tfw you forgot to stock up on HGH and have to spend the weekend without any.

>if you are just using HCG and an AI you need to go do more research
I love doing my own research but it's pretty hard to sort through all the bullshit so please point me in a direction if you will? What do you generally need for proper pct?

Also didn't you gentlemen use to have a sticky?

150mg test
525 tren ace

Fuck steroids that arent tren
Im sick of wallowing around like a peasant
Fuck cruising
Fuck testosterone in general
If you cant handle tren dont roid because all other steroids are shit and gay unless youre a twink

Well the benefits of being a fraud are having juicy Abs so your wife doesn't leave you for her sons father.
Any other questions?
Hcg is best used during cycle IF you plan on coming off and doing pct. The point of hcg is to keep your balls working so when you do come off you will have a quick and easy pct instead of waiting months and months for your balls to start functioning normally again.

but then how will I show off my thick, muscular ass and make white women everywhere jealous?

>hfw

honestly, no

simple questions (, ) are easily answered by just reading r/steroids/wiki and harder questions just get broscience shit answers because there are no reliable studies done about anything, and that's if they even get answered. 99% of the time they go unanswered because, again, the knowledge is incredibly basic and limited to stuff read on the wiki

there are only so many times you can call someone a retard for posting his absolutely retarded cycle he pulled out of his ass, or tell people that no, doing a var only cycle isn't a good idea

these threads will always be circlejerks because unlike generals for video games, bands, anime, etc, there is nothing new to keep talking about other than our personal lives that are (very tangentially) related to the roiding lifestyle

The sticky upsets mods
Go to r/steroids wiki if you Google fraud pastebin it might pop up

n-no, I refuse to believe she would do that

What are the benefits of doing Dbol as a kickstarter?

Planning on hitting the basic 250-300 Test-E cycle to start, but not sure on stacking with Dbol before I've even started.

I get that Test E takes several weeks to really kick in, but isn't it worth just seeing how you take to it, and then kicking things up a gear for your next cycle? Run before you can walk and all that shit.

Also, what's people's thoughts on the "sooner rather than later" stuff? I know plenty say "go fully natty gainz before juicing" but plenty also say that it's fine just to kick off on a beginner cycle even if you're not at your full potential.

If a skinny guy lifting well and eating right did a basic cycle, would it make any difference? Just trying to work out how extreme it goes.

Lol im approaching clydesdaleship due to having to train with herself

Now i wanna wear short shorts but hella gay lol

>hitler doesn't know how women work
No surprise there desu

but im not hitler

>Run before you can walk and all that shit.
Good idea.
>I know plenty say "go fully natty gainz before juicing" but plenty also say that it's fine just to kick off on a beginner cycle even if you're not at your full potential.
It's not about reaching natty potential. It's about knowing how to train and diet properly which takes years to learn. It's also about training long enough that you know your body in and out and know when you are on the verge of over training or injuring yourself. You will be far more likely to hurt yourself on steroids than a natty.

We don't deserve her.

hop on before you know what the fuck you're doing or how to lift, eat, and rest appropriately and see what happens

or don't, grow tits and whine about how you lost all the water bloat "gains" after you came off

you can say "lifting well and eating right" until you're fucking blue in the face, but I can almost guarantee you sure as fuck don't know how to do either at the level or with the requisite breadth and depth of knowledge necessary to actually take advantage of what gear has to offer

just to give you a bit of perspective: I've been lifting off and on for probably close to 8 years counting all of the random dumb bullshit, what I'd consider lifting seriously for maybe a year with about a 3 year lapse in lifting before that, researching the entire spectrum of fitness through diet/lifting/programming/hormones/etc for at least the past 4 years, I'm probably one of the most knowledgeable people in /fraud/, and I am still constantly surprised both at how little I know and the cyclic nature of every 6 months or so realizing how fucking retarded I used to be

I've got a couple pairs of chino shorts from like two years ago that I can just barely fit into, like they're almost skin-tight on my quads and I'm constantly afraid that the wrong move will leave me with my soup can dangling in the wind

2nd for high fashion

Dresses really excentuate an ass though
I'm sure you could pull one off

Been away for a bit.
Did we find Bimbos gay for pay yet?

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would front loading a test e cycle be comparable to kick starting with dbol?

yes, someone found it and I got him to leave forever, sry faM

Fucking GOAT movie and Wahlberg was the absolute man in this movie.

don't think he deserved it all
he was a cool guy but it was naive as fuck to be so open about doing g4p and let his porn name slip
also should have had his FB locked down considering what happened to chem and fats,what a pain in the ass that was

Hey bros, I've been having a lot of issues w my right shoulder and bicep the past 4 or 5 weeks and it makes it very difficult to do tricep pushdowns, incline bench, flyes, and OHP. I've deloaded, taken a week off, popped a million Aleve and it still isn't 100%. Probably because I'm oldfag

I'm thinking about switching to machines only.

On a scale from 1 to flaming, how gay is this? If I go this route, should I stay w a 4-5x a week routine still or do a full body or what?

>overtraining
lmao

the only people capable of overtraining are the top level fucking elite faggots

Agreed on both. I was using an extreme example to get exactly that sort of answer.

So from what you're saying, it's far more about knowledge, and knowledge that can only come from experience, than physical issues?

Because from what you're saying, if someone who knew literally fuck all, but followed all the
(correct) advice to the letter, did gear and did it properly, there's no physical way they'd fuck up? They probably WOULD fuck up, but it's no as though gear has some magic threshold of lifting or body size than suddenly allows it to work.

To give another example, there are plenty of guys who are fucking huge who do gear, but still fuck it up due to shitty knowledge and no research.

For the record, I'm nearing 1/2/3/4 on my basic lifts, train well, eat well, sleep well. I want to hit the gear on a basic cycle to see what it can do. I'm just trying to get an idea of the psychology behind pro/anti steroid users, and the actual scientific facts.

are you watching that anime with the lolis that work for a game company?
if so is it good?

He didn't leave forever, he was just in here not caring about it a few days ago...

If he left forever I'm gonna be pissed at you jelly betafags because despite his gaping asshole he actually had good advice.

Not gay. Tailor your lifting to your needs.

You're probably suffering bicep tendinitis or anterior deltoid issues. See s physic but you should deload bicep heavy lifts and do face pulls at high frequency.

it was okay

They doxxed him last night.

I thought he owned the fuck out of it and didn't give a shit.

Also link.
>no homo

lol no he actually left for real last night

he did, until they found it and posted pics from the porn every time he made a post

fucking rekt lmao

scott something, forget his last name

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Machines are great for bad joints.
Also look into peps

New game?
It's very good.
Aoba is cute! CUUUTTTEEEE!!!

He should have started posting it himself to disarm the trolls.

Thanks, makes sense.

Wtf man, why are people such pieces of shit? God damn virgins.

Yeah, super funny. Kys

it also got sent to his family on facebook LMAO

>Aoba
any lewds?

Why?
For the lulz?

That's not how doxx ing works

Plz go

Aoba was made for breeding.

Anons are just bored.

>izzygainz
the name makes me angry

If you have been training for a few years and have hopefully injured yourself as a natty so you can identify the warning signs of injury I say go for it. Just do lots of research and make sure you have money for bloodwork and accessory drugs in case you run into problems.
Easily one of my top 5 favorite movies.

assuming they had great form from constant coaching, yes

the root of the problem is that the entire thing is almost completely experiential knowledge and muscle memory, taking theoretical applications and implementing them in your own subjective experience is far from simple

kys

this place is stuffed to the fucking gills with socially maladapted retards huffing their own farts to try and get high on their own self-absorbed sense of importance and try to shout down anyone that looks like they have their shit together because it highlights their own crippling do-nothing be-nothing flaws

the sheer force of unwashed nerd rage, autism, overwhelming lack of social skills, hilariously fucked up redpill bullshit that belies the simple fact that they're just plain ugly people on the inside, and desperate edginess cloaking a bottomless maw of attention seeking just builds and builds in some fucked up kind of echo chamber until it sounds like nothing but a sociopathic child throwing a temper tantrum

Can a cycle cure depression?

Is this girl flat or is it the lighting

If you're low test it can help.
But no.

I have average levels so I guess it won't help then

>tfw feeling down
>tfw gym is closed so I can't lift

Feels bad man

Back out of rehab again. How is everyone? Hope y'all didn't forget me.

She's pretty flat but she can definitely still get it.

806 is pretty good breh. No need to trt. Your estrogen could be out of whack though.

that looks good as FUCK

Yeah
It wouldn't
There's something to be said for killing it in the gym though. But that's like a temporary mood boost

No flat is good! Very good!
But her breasts are so wide.
I don't believe she's flat

tell me you at least got the fuck away from that woman

Agreed, how's that chicken cooked?

They look like A cup tops. But are you sure she's not too old for you Jerry?

Thanks bb. I worked as a chef for a decently long time.

All ties have been cut with gf. Met a new chick in treatment and we spend two nights in a hotel sleeping together right after I got out. Currently in a halfway house. Life looking good even though I only have a tiny bit of gear and very little money. How you been friend?

How's FL and chem been? Any word?

I make my own house seasoning and sautéed. Also lightly flowered.

do you have a plan?
also how much does rehab cost?

Shes much too old
Atleast triple
But beggars can't be choosers

FL was trying to date a girl at his job
But he got bullied out of his job

Can anyone tell me why the fuck I have keto taste in my mouth and keto dry mouth even though my carbs are in excess?

>600g yogurt -> 30g carbs
>3 scoops -> like 3-6g carbs
>3/4 a can of chickpeas -> 35g carbs
>400g mixed veggies -> 13g carbs
>like 25g carbs of ketchup

WHY THE FUCK DO I HAVE DRY MOUTH AND KETO TASTE REEEEEEEEE

I'm still enrolled in college. I get student loan money so I have something to chill on while I get situated. Also have a decent resume so finding work when I'm clean hasn't been an issue.

Rehab is expensive as fuck but I've been "scholarshipped" so didn't have to pay. Cumulatively I've spent over a year in treatment centers. Really gets old and the lifestyle of a heroin addict really becomes exhausting. Definitely my biggest regret will be how much of my youth Ive wasted.

Why the hell does sugar specifically bloat me like fuck with a shitload of water retention? I thought sugar didn't do that shit

Hey man, long time lurker (in my sober times between rehabs, for the same shit). Got out last time in October '15 and kept the gains train going until a relapse in December (2 weeks) half assed gym a couple times a month up until last month..... Blah blah blah.

Point: you sound like you may have some very similar life expierences to me, and also have cycled. I've been debating it, obviously wanting at least until I've got 6 solid months of real lifting/diet/etc under my belt.... But any way we could chat more than randomly on /fraud/?

I seriously hate when you post. Just stop.

Are these guys natty:

Are these guys natty?

instagram.com/king_delts/
instagram.com/alecabbott/
instagram.com/imjoepretty/

They work out at the same gym as me

if you notice their physique or think it is good in any way then the answer is no

well i think it's good physique but it also looks like it's achievable natty? he also doesn't have overdeveloped traps.

My new pasta, thank you.

>achievable natty
Kid just stop
This is very good bait
I'll give you that

his traps are bretty juice user

Hey brehs. I'm all moved across the country into my apartment. Been practicing with the new team and it's like getting in a new gym with strong as fuck people who are 100% hype all the time and just the environment has doubled my skill level it seems.

However I am flat ass broke until my loans come in next month and I'm going to have to live off of oats and chicken, broccoli and rice. Gonna finally get a good diet and shred the fuck up!!

Git it
Don't get doxxed
Love you boo

Lol, much better than I could have said it.

Nah man. Switch to income based repayment. I've paid $0 a month for 3 years. You'll be ok.

But yes, I'll be right behind you in shred town I hope. GL

no bait

Got a reddit username? I don't have access to my secure email for a bit. Always interested in talking gear/recovery.

Glad to hear you're doing well my friend. Miss hearing about your love life drama.

I plowed one of the cheerleaders the other night and she doesn't remember us getting it on. She has not once questioned why she woke up in my bed or how her panties got on my floor. She's staying here until the dorms are ready and it's weird for me. Like wtf I think I raped this girl

Income based student loans repayment? I currently don't have any debt at all. This is going to be my first time getting loans but the funds won't be available until school starts

See the first paragraph in this post kek

I'm a trans guy with a legal dose of testosterone. I take 1ml a week. Are steroids something a transgender person can even do?

Get out.

kill yourself you filthy fucking degenerate

Enjoy your interest.

Yes
But it's more complicated

Tfw you'll never rape a college cheerleader

Do I have to pct if I am using testosterone to keep me in the male level anyway as I don't have balls? Can I just use more of my regular t?

Any idea where I can find some info on it?. Google hasn't turned up shit nor has r/steroids.

Come live with me jerr. These cheerleaders are crazy. They all drink so hard