Exercices to avoid?

What are some exercises/stretching, regardless of the form, that are bad and potentially harmful?

>dips
>heavy weight leg extentions
>upright rows

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What is wrong with dips

>Dips
>Bad


>Deadlifts and squats


Oh I get it. This is a troll thread

reverse grip bench

fuck that

I keep reading online and on youtube by some well known fitness channels that they are bad for the shoulders and elbows. Basically it puts a lot of pressure there and the cons outweights the benefits

Everything in life can potentially be harmful. I recommend killing yourself just to be safe

doesn't help that every diagram of this shit exercise has the elbows way too high

if u cant do dips ur an immobile fuck and should just end it all
>upright rows, behind the neck pull ups, heavy preacher curls

None and every excercise. It'a all context specific and your exact form/techniqiue can and will determine the injury potential from a movement.

e.g. upright row done properly is safe, which means elbows a bit more foreward (not straight out to the sides), more important is to not bring your elbows much higher than your shoulders and to keep your scapula properly retracted and depressed, chest up, lean forward slightly. If you have bad shoulders and a certain type of shoulder joint may not be able to handle upright row, especially if it's done in the less safe way. Some people may be lucky and have hefty shoulders, and they can do upright rows the unsafe way and never run into a problem.

It's all context specific, and for the most part no excercise is really good or bad.

BEST TO AVOID:
>Dips
>Upright rows
>Behimd the neck press/lat pulldown

can't think of anything else.

Dips put a high amount of pressure on your shoulders and you will likely fuck your shit up if you haven't already.

Id stay away from them. Why risk it when you can do a safer exercise to hit the same muscles?

Dips are dangerous?

Ive never felt anything close to discomfort doing them.

How dangerous is bending the upper back during DL?
I try and pull back with the lats but the weight is too much and the weight pulls it forward sometimes.

i hurt my back doing deads with a perfectly flat back. not rounding isn't a cure all. such a shitty meme. deadlifts can snap your shit if you breath wrong or are off by a mm

What's a better exercise for the shoulders/triceps than dips?

you're thinking of shoulder impingement but really done properly they are fine
it's like rings, huge risk of getting your shoulders hurt but that doesn't mean the exercise is wrong

there's also this stretch where you stand with your feet far apart and bring your hands together down to the floor in front of you, stretching your back
for most people this can lead to injury but for a healthy trained athlete it's fine

Weighted dips

once again, if ur feeling pressure on ur shoulder then u are not mobile enough to do dips, and if u cant do dips with proper form fuck off, and fuck u for being too ignorant to see that dips are goat exercise

Deadlift less until you can keep your back straight. I literally can't think of a more dangerous mistake in form on any exercise:

Lean forward when you're doing dips to take the stress off your shoulder

because your back is weak as shit or you don't properly load your legs

I used to get back pain from deadlifts even with a straight back, but then I switched to sumo to help me learn to use my legs and did other core intensive shit like OHP,Squats, and Pentlay Row for my LB. Now I can pull conventional deadlift fine and I no longer do sumo

Squats and deadlift. When I read about hernia those always come up. So there is a connection.

my legs burn after deadlift and my back is not weak. now what mr expert?

you pull the bar in a bar path off by a hair and your back is fucked. i don't care if it can be corrected or not. almost everybody who deadlifts makes a mistake and snaps their shit up at some point. sorry but not sorry. it's not worth it.

>dips bad for you regardless of form

Absolutely epic

Thoracic rounding during the deadlift isn't nearly as bad as lumbar rounding. It's not good because it means your lats are weak, but it isn't bad because you don't lose tightness and find yourself in a weak position.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

your back is probably hyperextended or you have bad joints.

>you pull the bar in a bar path off by a hair and your back is fucked
lel, you realize how hard it is to pull the bar off bad enough to fuck your shit up? If you'd actually deadlift bigboy weight you'd know your knees are easier to injure

Eh, for me personally it's Romanian deadlifts.

I fucking SUCK at keeping proper form because of my FUCKED posture, and whenever I do them my lower back gets REKT beyond belief.

Note: this is due to my dumb ass.

Plus you look like a flaming faggot for doing them.

kill yourself you fucking moron

yeah, stupid people

standing overhead press

i think i damaged my SI or disc. or its just really inflamed lower back. we'll see i guess

No you look like a weak faggot trying to deadlift babby weight. I can't count the number of times i've mentally laughted at some big dude for deadlifting shit weight only to realize theyre doing romanians

what's the best way to address slight lumbar rounding during the initial pull of the deadlift?

I have over a 500lb deadlift, I've never hurt myself doing it. The only people who hurt themselves doing deadlifts are those that pull with a catback, flex their supinated arm doing mixed grip (after roiding), or those that lower the weight like they're trying to not wake up a baby.

Kill yourself retard.

>your back is probably hyperextended or you have bad joints.
nope, neither.

>you realize how hard it is to pull the bar off bad enough to fuck your shit up
anything other than a vertical bar path can create a fuckton of torque on your spine. it's entirely individual.

Could be a number of thing, here's the trouble shooting I'd recommend.

1. Check your setup, make surethe bar is directly over your midfoot and directly under your shoulders when you.begin your pull.
2. Are you using your lats?
3. Are you bracing with your core properly?
4. Are you loading up your legs before you pull?
5. If all else failed, work with deficit deadlifts, paused deadlifts, and snatch grip deadlifts to get stronger off the floor and emphasize keeping a straight back.

>I have over a 500lb deadlift
yeah? and you have a gaping vagina for a brain.

> I've never hurt myself doing it
no of course not when your back went out tying your shoe it was a fluke and not from the retarded lift you were doing earlier

you can't possibly say anything that will make you sound intelligent. yes, deadlifting with perfect form wont fuck you. no, nobody is perfect. yes you will make mistakes and when you make them with 500lbs in your hand you will snap your shit up. end of story.

Let it be known that upright rows with dumbbells are 100% safe

and if you wern't as dumb as a peanut youd realize getting the bar to go from perfectly vertical (as gravitiy and your body wants it to) is extremely hard, especially past 2 pl8. You literally have to be trying to be fuck your shit up to get the bar from not being vertical.

Of course since you deadlift baby weight compared to your other stuff the concept of not flopping the weight around is foreign to you
>nope neither
yet somehow me and other proper form lifters dont get back pain

Deadlifting is L I T E R A L L Y the most natural human movement. If you cannot do it with passable form and not snap your shit up you are a genetic dead end and should strongly consider removing yourself from the gene pool. You sound like an angry genetic dead end, user.

have fun ruining your back moron

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>decides to just call the opposition a moron
ebin

>Deadlifting is L I T E R A L L Y the most natural human movement
i rarely ever pick anything up from a conventional deadlift position. i take a wide stance when i pick shit up off the ground so already you're retarded.

based retard

Tricep Kick Backs

well, to be fair, I do deadlifts instead of romanian deadlifts.....so

damnit weighted dips are my favorite exercise don't take them away from me

although they make my chest and shoulders hurt in a way that im pretty sure is bad

Leg extension machine.

delete your account

>admits to picking things off the ground from a deadlift
>calls me retarded

You don't understand biomechanics or leverages at all do you? You're still doing a deadlift, just with a different stance. It has the same primary movers the same stabilizing muscles, the same mechanical action. You do sound like an angry genetic dead end, user.

i avoid squat, deadlift, bench and rows because im wary of my back/shoulders

because it's a fundamental human movement doesn't mean you should load it as high as humanely possible on a regular basis you fucking retard. i mean breathing is pretty fundamental but you aren't going around mouth breathing as hard as you can everywhere to maximize your lungs, do you?

i know there both deadlifts you dufus but when people tell you to deadlift unless otherwise specified they're referring to the conventional one. i wide stance stiff legged deadlift irl more than anything resembling that cockamamee movement pattern. and again, i'm never lifting anywhere near as much as i can deadlift in the gym when i do nor would i want to because that's retarded. it's too easy to make a mistake and with that much weight a mistake turns into a lifelong injury.

Nice hyperbole retardbro. If your goal is strength training or training to look good naked, then yes you 100% should. It, along with the squat, bench press and military press should form the basis of 85% of all lifter's routines. The other 15% is strongmen, who don't bench, powerlifters, who don't press, weightlifters who don't bench or deadlift much, and people who are literally too old and/or broken to do those compounds.

I think I found a video of your deadlifts youtube.com/watch?v=uCtiAC_kXPo

>glorious feel when I don't do deadlifts
>still have nice leg gains and don't have to worry about le snapcity
>grills mire my ass but I'm still beta

For most adult males their primary stance should be conventional, but sumo and semi-sumo are both acceptable. Variations are great also.

Protip: Being afraid of hurting yourself and thinking about it when it comes time to lift will make you more likely to hurt yourself.

deadlifting isn't even close to essential for aesthetics and there are tons of powerlifters who look like shit.

the fact is it's a lot easier to fuck your shit up doing conventional deads hence why you're a fucking retard for doing them. i don't care how long you claim to have done them for. you're an idiot.

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The only pain i get from squats is my hip flexors and that's doms. I get a slight discomfort in my lower back but it's gone by the time i get home so it's most likely just fatigue.

For the record my back is fucked. Spondylolithesis, hypermobility, arthritis and scoliosis.

Here come dat ban

The only powerlifters who look like shit are the ones who are in the 120kg+ weight class and those that compete at the weight classes above 242 in lolfeds. The rest are all fairly lean.

That said if you want to look good as a natty, you 100% should do them. The natural testosterone and the overall strength it helps you gain cannot be overlooked. If you actually want to ever be above 20 on the FFMI as a natty, man up, do your deadlifts and stop acting like a fucking woman.

Things not to do ever: Crossfit, leg extensions

Things not to do with poor form: deadlifts, squats, behind the head pushes or pulls, upright rows, shrugs.

can't be too safe

leg extensions, skull crushers, behind neck pulldown, behind back shrug, anything with those big stone balls i can't think of the name right now

>The only powerlifters who look like shit are the ones who are in the 120kg+ weight class and those that compete at the weight classes above 242 in lolfeds
lolwut

there are endless amounts of powerlifters who look like fucking garbage are you kidding me? the ones who don't are usually really short, genetically gifted or are well known pros who train far more than what most people could reasonably obtain and are probably privy to some designer drugs to evade detection.

if you want to look good you should stop doing movements that are gonna sideline your ass for years with a snapped back.

Correction OP

>Weighted Dips

Anyway I'd add heavy weight dumbbell flies (cable flies are way better) and sit ups.

IF you got sidelined for years with a snapped back you didn't know how to do the exercise properly.

Go look up any powerlifting that competes in a weight class that's 105 or lower. They'll be bigger and leaner than you.

That said, you will never look good with your don't do what's hard mentality. Stay pathetic, stay small, and stay weak for me bby. And I'll keep deadlifting more than you ever will until I'm your grandpa's age. Hey if you post your email I'll even send you biannual updates.

>They'll be bigger and leaner than you
they'll be bigger but leaner? nah.

>you will never look good with your don't do what's hard mentality.
you aren't doing what's hard. you're emulating powerlifters thinking that's a shortcut to gains. they're circus freaks. deadlifts aren't some magical exercise. you can train your back and hams without performing lifts with such little room for error.

>Wide stance

That's called sumo stance, bro. Still a deadlift

post body

>doing an exercise is a shortcut to gains

We truly are in Summer

sumo doesn't load your low back the same way as conventional was my point. it's irrelevant. you want the back gains from doing conventional and i'm saying it's stupidly risky. i have no problem with sumo altho i'd probably choose a different lift altogether.

>all these online doctors on Veeky Forums

just because you haven't hurt yourself doing dips does not mean they are inherently safe. Everyone is different and luck as always plays a factor. I had a SLAP tear and had to have shoulder surgery on it by one of the best shoulder surgeons in my country. Someone who literally deals with baseball players and football players and he went through what exercises I can and cannot do, one was dips and his own words

>I wouldn't even recommend someone with a healthy shoulder doing dips, nothing I've seen destroys shoulders as much as them and you can get the same benefits doing other exercises. It puts too much strain through the shoulder joint.

So does Veeky Forums know more than a fucking specialised shoulder surgeon jesus.

powerlifter's life revolves around competing for the biggest lift number. there are obese looking female powerlifters who can outlift some of you

So you avoid four of the most effective exercises that only endanger your back or shoulders if you do them completely wrong?

>I destroyed my shoulder so that means everyones shoulder is destroyed

>nothing I've seen destroys shoulders as much as them and you can get the same benefits doing other exercises

Yeah, I'm sure more baseball players come to him with fucked shoulders than a person coming in from doing dips

oh no!

always the same shitposter at this hour

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>can't tell the difference between romanians and normal deads at immediate first glance
>can't romanian 3+ pl8s

just get the fuck out of here you dyel piece of shit

>implying I do Romanians at all
kek

So, getting back on topic. I always heard crunches were bad for you, because they shorten your (something).
Is this true? I've avoided weighted decline crunches for over a year because of this.

Way to not read my post dipshit. Of course baseball is terrible on your shoulder but as someone whos life work is WORKING ON SHOULDERS, AND KNOWING SHOULDERS, AND FIXING SHOULDERS. He's seen so many destroyed by dips and knows they're not worth the trouble they give. Just so we're clear I didn't destroy my shoulder with dips.

What's your degree brah.

Yeah those ab flexion excercises ar bad: crunches, leg raises. Instead do planks and ab rolling.

meant for

well fuck, one of my crunch substitutes all this time was hanging leg raise. at least I got planks right.

I was joking.

my bad senpai

I'm my own mother and I'm replying for my safety

From personal experience: Shrugs.

An absolutely shit exercise, never feels like you're really lifting and a few weeks back I fucked up my form on it and twinged something along my neck and shoulder. Worst night of sleep in ages following that.

>The benefits
Literally just big traps.
>The alternatives
Deadlifts. An exercise where you actually feel like you're lifting. Do them right and your body will look in proportion.

For those hating on UR rows do high pulls. GOAT trap, shoulder & upper back exercise.

mix grip bench is GOAT for chest expansion doe.

Or just do upright rows with non-retarded form.

shoo

b& hammer when?

high pulls also replaces power cleans. it's literally a power clean without the catch

Theres nothing wrong with dips.
Those are the same people that say you cant press anything over your head and the bar cant touch you should only go 90° at the elbows while benching.
Listen to them if you want but have fun having no chest/shoulders.

Immobile people with bad form fucjed up their shoulders so they blame it on the exercise.