Appetite Suppressant?

Alright, give solutions that work then other than just "Bootstrap, brah!" then. I can't believe people still use that courage wolf bullshit as an argument.

Everyone in this image is ugly.

>brave enough to judge peoples attractiveness
without posting a pic.

cmon user lets see your ugly jealous mug.

so you're a manchild who refuses to acquire tastes to maintain a sustainable diet?

All weightloss is through achieving a calorie deficit, drugs help by either making you eat less (appetite suppressants) or expend more energy (clen or DNP).

Truth is all diets are just ways of tricking people into achieving deficits (IF is through not being able to eat 2K+ calories in 8 hours, paleo is through removing high calorie foods like bread and sweets).

two methods that are popular: intermittent fasting which allows you to each the foods you like (such as bread) as long as you dont go for feast.
Or a restrictive diet that removes calorie dense, low satiety food with satisfying low calorie food. you can find what these foods are by looking online for a food satiety index, there a tons of resources for low cal food. which foods you pick will come down to your preferences (which seems pretty limited by your previous post)

TLDR its going to be a mixture of bootstrapping and intelligent selection of food that will make you lose weight.

Green tea
Let the teabag be in the water for over 7 minutes
It won't taste all too good but it's a good appetite suppressant

EC stack works

also albuterol works for me, but people don't like it - but it gives me a nasty buzz and I can avoid eating for a while

I like it because of its short half-life so I can still get tired and go to sleep at a normal time

Yeah I'd like to not have the chance of fucking dying from a weight loss drug thanks.
>B-but every drug will kill you!
No it won't so don't even try that shit.

then don't take too much

these are pretty mild, people take them for shit like asthma or bronchitis

>I tend to bounce up and down weight-wise
That's because you never change your lifestyle or eating habits, you just 'diet'. You treat it like a 'journey', with a 'start' and a 'destination', and when you reach the 'destination', you fall apart. Planet Fitness LOVES people like you, because you'll pay them $10 per month for the rest of your life.

You want to get down to a healthy bodyfat percentage and STAY there the rest of your life? YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THE WAY YOU LIVE. This is not a 'journey'. It has no end-point. You make changes, and you make them PERMANENTLY. It requires personal discipline, and above all else it requires being BRUTALLY HONEST with yourself about how fat you are, what your (realistic!) goal(s) are, and above all else, BEING HONEST ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE EATING, AND HOW MUCH. You will be counting calories, and, ideally, macros. You will be doing this likely for the REST OF YOUR LIFE, or at least until you develop an accurate sense of how many calories you're eating, and the self-discipline to STOP EATING when you need to, not eat garbage food, etc.

If you can't make a COMMITTMENT to changing the way you live, and again I mean LIFE-LONG COMMITTMENT, then you may as well go away and forget it, eat your cake and cookies and crap food, and enjoy being fat and dying young.

Now: If you're ready to actually get serious about this: Start by READING THE STICKY.

Oh, and by the way: All the pills and shit? THEY ARE GARBAGE. Read all the above again if you're still not clear.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECA_stack

Natural supplements that contain ephedra (aka Ma Huang) as an ephedrine substitute have been linked to cases of heart attack, stroke, and death in healthy young adults even when taken at the labeled dosage.

I actually know a guy who nearly had a heart attack on Ephedra.

There is no permanent change which is acceptable. I'm not going to be hungry all day every day for the rest of my life you insufferable faggots. And I'm not eating shit I hate for the rest of my life either.

>Yeah I'd like to not have the chance of fucking dying from a weight loss drug thanks.
I used to think this. Then i realized all the auffering in my life was due to my weight and i decided that i would rather be dead than fat, so i stopped being a pussy and took the gamble. 150lbs later i would say i shoulda did it sooner.

That's actually one of the first logical statements I've seen not just in this thread but on this cancerous board. Why are all blue boards shit?

>vegetables, which I loathe.
you're not gonna make it

>OP wants a magic pill so he can feel beautiful :^)

>eat foods you already like, just in slightly different arrangements and quantities
>Brah why can't you just commit, brah? You're not gonna make it, brah. I did it through commitment and hard work, brah.
No, you faggots did it by doing more of the same shit you already liked doing. Now imagine if you were forced to eat kale-flavored vegan tofu for the rest of your lives and were never again allowed to watch porn or have sex.

>There is no permanent change which is acceptable. I'm not going to be hungry all day every day for the rest of my life you insufferable faggots. And I'm not eating shit I hate for the rest of my life either.

You're a fatass. You will always BE a fatass, because you have a FATASS ATTITUDE. You don't belong on Veeky Forums, leave and never post here again. Go make your fatass posts in Veeky Forums or /b/ or anywhere but here; you are ANTI-Veeky Forums.

Enjoy your short, miserable, morbidly obese life, full of pain, suffering, disease, and messy, early death. And nothing of value will have been lost.

Fucking loser.

Tbf to the user, I also don't like the taste of veggies minus a few. But that's why God invented soy sauce and sriracha.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECA_stack
>Natural supplements that contain ephedra (aka Ma Huang) as an ephedrine substitute have been linked to cases of heart attack, stroke, and death in healthy young adults even when taken at the labeled dosage.
Also in the exact article you linked:
>Herbal supplements containing Ephedra aka Ma Huang - with or without caffeine - have similarly been demonstrated to be effective without significantly increased risk of adverse effects in studies ranging from 8 weeks to 6 months in length.

Are you finished with your little tantrum?

>sriracha
Based as fuck
Bless the chinese

OP is fatter than fatass and doesn't WANT to make it, he just wants to keep stuffing his face with shit foods all day every day and have no consequences.

You misunderstand; the pic is YOU, OP. You're a whiny crybaby manchild who wants to stuff his face with shit food all day every day but you think you can magically avoid the consequences. Enjoy your heart attack, faggot. If the shit food doesn't get you, the diet pills will.

I'm pretty sure it's thai

learn to appreciate a wider variety of foods so you can eat a diet that's calorie-deficit but still satiating.

That's your answer right there. Anything else isn't sustainable

You need to re-read the faggot OP. He doesn't want to eat healthy food, he wants to eat whatever shit food he wants to eat all day every day, then take diet pills to try to avoid the consequences. In his last sentence he says:
>I want something that I can basically take forever.

OP only deserves our scorn and ridicule. He is everything we hate.

Holy fuck OP you're a retard. Your body adjusts to your diet. You're not just going to be hungry every day for the rest of your life. You just feel hungry now because you're a fat piece of shit and your body needs 5000 calories a day just to move your fatass to grab the remote.

I misunderstood nothing. You're throwing a fit.

Look another tantrum. It's no wonder muh lifting is such a core element of MGTOW manbabby shit.

>asks for advice
>says everyones throwing a tantrum
>is throwing a tantrum because he can't just take a magic pill and not be a fat piece of shit

Ok

Start doing meth senpai we here to give answers not judge

>ask for advice
>get advice for unhealthy drugs (what a surprise from steroid-pushing faggots) and bitching, whining and "muh bootstraps"
Did you think you accomplished something? Will you tell your mommie about it? Do you think she'll be proud of you? Want a pacifier? Every moron understands calorie deficits. Saying "calories in, calories out" and "just bootsrap, brah!" are not advice. They're you being a faggot.

longterm sustainable weight loss requires longterm sustainable lifestyle changes.
You need to learn to eat healthy foods, and train yourself not to crave food all the time.

here's some advice; eat lots of vegetables. They're low-calorie and filling so you'll be able to eat at a calorie-deficit without being hungry

I thought it'd be much easier to get your hands on prescription stimulants in the US than let's say, where I live in northern europe.

I guess this is not the case. For here even if you have ADD for real you need to go through 12-24 months of bouncing between psychiatrics for anyone to believe you and get drugs for it.

>lifestyle changes.
SUCH AS?? So far all that's been suggested are dangerous drugs and, well, not much else except vague assertions that cutting my calorie intake enough to lose weight and keep it off won't result in permanent hunger which is a blatant lie because I've already been there. The morons saying this shit 1: don't want to be as thin as I want to stay, so to them gaining 50 lbs of muscle is fine, and 2: are already just eating the things they already like like chicken breast or whatever vegetables they already ate before. I just want to return to the body I had when I was younger, but to do that I almost have to run a calorie deficit forever. I've tried a lot of things, chewing gum, exercising more, changing my diet in a multitude of ways, trying to choke down disgusting fiber supplements. Absolutely none of that shit is adequate to reach my goals. The only way I've ever succeeded is to exercise a lot and eat very little, which is not at all sustainable.

>You need to learn to eat healthy foods, and train yourself not to crave food all the time.
I probably know more about diet and nutrition than 90% of this board ever will. It's not knowledge that I lack except for how to do what I want without living in hell forever. Everyone with a 2nd grade education can pick fucking healthy vegetables and count calories.

>and train yourself not to crave food all the time.
Yeah, I'll just wish the hunger impulse away. Yet more great blue board """""""""""""""advice""""""""""""""".

Don't bother with anything else, morons. I'll just do the same thing I always inevitably have to when I have a problem: I'll have to figure it out myself because literally every other monkey on the planet is certifiably retarded and therefore useless.

Here's some advice: learn to read. There's no excuse for this level of illiteracy in 2016 in a first world country.

what is your current weight and goal weight?

Depending on where you live, an EC stack is stupid cheap and easy to obtain. It's the best legal appetite suppressant by far.

Fifty pounds of muscle gained is more or less what the average male lifter will achieve in his LIFETIME without drugs.

If you want to lose weight you need to permanently change your diet. Permanently. For ever. You essentially need to force yourself to become a different person.

You clearly aren't happy with yourself as you are, or you wouldn't be asking the questions you're asking. However, it's clear that you also have such a fragile ego that the very thought of changing is anathema to you, because (a) change means death and (b) if you try to change and fail, you will be seen as a failure.

Which prompted you to claim superior knowledge to the posters on a basque catamaran maintenance forum.

So your problem isn't that you're overweight, it's that you're a pathological narcissist.

I never understood you type of people. Its like people who say they don't like music. People instinctively dislike and distrust you for it.

> Fifty pounds of muscle gained is more or less what the average male lifter will achieve in his LIFETIME without drugs.

No, it's not. It's the difference between Arnold Schwarzenegger in his prime and a guy who doesn't work out.

6'2" 170lbs -> 6'2" 220 lbs

The average guy will never get to that size without drugs

Expect more like 20-30lbs of muscle if you're genetically gifted

There's a bigger than fifty pound muscle gap in that instance because the average non-exerciser is carrying far more fat and bloat than Arnold. Arnold at comparable amounts (not percent) of BF would be sitting closer to 250 than 220.

Get an automatic cat feeder and put balls of protein powder in it. Set it to feed you 3 meals a day, portions set to 1 cup of feed.

my friend at 6'2" 160lbs was skin and bones, definitely below 10% bf

it's a 60lbs difference AT MOST - but you're forgetting that once you diet down to lower bf% you start losing primarily muscle

so someone at 180lbs who doesn't lift has more muscle than someone who's 120lbs and doesn't lift

here's a natural lifter at 6 feet and 180lbs
you can't tell me he was 130lbs at 6' when he started unless he was malnourished

a normal guy at 160lbs is carrying 20% bf and is around 128lbs lean

this guy is around 6% bf and is 169lbs lean

that's only a difference of 41lbs at 6' (taller than 60% of men)

You can be skin and bones and still be sitting above 10% BF.

You're also skewing the numbers by using stage weight instead of walking around weight for the BBers. That dehydration makes a fucking big difference.

yes, you could, because genetics

but your AVERAGE person is carrying 20% bf at a pretty high weight

and if you include water bloat from creatine that's not really a fair comparison - someone who doesn't lift can take creatine and increase their weight by 7-8 lbs in a week

I'm talking about dry muscle tissue, not "I did a lot of pump training so my muscles are temporarily loaded with glycogen" weight increases

you see people post 50+lbs gains all the time, seemingly without fat gains

of course a lot of that is water - when they stop using creatine and diet they drop 20lbs in the first few weeks

I'm not talking about creatine. I'm talking about the baseline water weight regular folks have that people prepping for a show deliberately get rid of. It's worth a good ten or twenty pounds, sometimes thirty in really big guys. If your numbers don't account for that they're going to be really skewed.

your average non-lifter has little water weight

I could take a guy who weighs 160, give him creatine and carbs for a month and have him do nothing but pump training and he'd be 180lbs

from this point he can only gain 20-30lbs of DRY muscle tissue, as in he'd be the same bf but 200-210lbs naturally

your argument is that he started at 160 so that's a gain of 50lbs
my argument is that I made him weigh 180lbs after a month and I could revert him back to 160 in another month by having him lose water weight so the true dry muscle tissue gain is only 30lbs

Bullshit. Less than lifters, sure, but its still a significant amount of weight. You regularly see non-lifters go on a carb restricted diet and disappear ten lbs or more on short notice.

yet the same people gain 10lbs just starting to use creatine

they couldn't have increased their MUSCLE weight that much in a month, right?

So take a person who's completely carb-depleted and their weight

then train them up until their maximum muscular potential and have them lose water weight

subtract fat weight and then the resulting difference will hardly be 50lbs

again, because a 6' guy carb depleted is less than 170lbs lean to begin with

you're claiming someone could dehydrate themselves to 149lbs at 6' and STILL maintain 20% bf while being able to achieve the physique in this post:

usually the people who have such good genetics for lifting have a heavier frame and weigh a lot before they start anyway

When you're hungry drink water and take a bite of something healthy.
It's that fucking easy.

I suppress my appetite by visualizing my body goal vs looking myself in the mirror.

Fiber, protein and water. There I saved you money.