You don't need a belt until you can lift 5 plate

A belt actually helps strengthen abdominal muscles.

The more you know.

A flat back doesn't mean shit if you aren't bracing your core properly.
You could be holding it flat using just your lumbar erectors which would probably end up causing snap city shit.
I bet you hyperextend your neck while deadlifting too.

i was doing deadlifts and i deleted my vids long ago

Post it and get some real advice on your form. Nobody believes this. Its fuckin Veeky Forums.

Post the video of your "perfect form" and we'll be the judge. Warmup sets don't count because the only way to have perfect form on any weight is to make it part of your warmup.

>unironically listening to Veeky Forums advice
you played yourself my man

belt makes it easier to brace your core properly particularly your abs

How convenient lmao

of course you fucking did you lying little bitch.

You just want people to think you go the gym don't you? Are you gonna casually leave it where everyone can see it? Or sling it over your shoulder as you make your way to the gym? Come on, you can tell us, no one who comes here even lifts anyway.

i delete shit from my phone everyday

k well it doesn't take a genius to view the angle of their low back and see it's straight. i also at one point snapped a screen and drew a straight line in paint to compare. perfectly flat and straight.

"you should learn to brace your abs without a belt before using a belt" is true in a sense but ive seen quite the opposite happen too many times: using a belt can teach you to brace your abs so that you can brace them without a belt, too.

Yeah thats true but it doesn't make you better at bracing the core without a belt though.

You went through all that trouble and then deleted the vid?

You're telling porkies my son.

why do i care about bracing my belt without one? i don't compete and will never deadlift several hundred pounds off the ground outside of a weightroom.

You can injure yourself despite having good form you fucking mongaloids.

trouble? i've spent thousands of hours editing shit on my computer. i can do this in my sleep

it actually does in most cases.

and if were not talking about proprioception, the belt gives your abs something to push against so they can contract harder. thus they will get a better workout and get stronger, leading to stronger abs in the long term compared to not using a belt

fuck off OP

You're confusing learning to brace the core at all, with a belt making your beltless bracing more effective.

If you can't brace the core without a belt, wearing a belt will not teach you to.

Yes, wearing a belt will make your abs stronger, but that isn't the issue here.

Not OP, it's hilarious how all the DYELs come out of the woodwork and scream bad form when someone gets injured. Just shows how little most people here lift.

That doesn't sound anywhere near as impressive as you think it does.

How can we shout bad form when we havn't seen it?

Right now it's Schrodinger's Form, it is simultaneously good and bad.

>You're confusing learning to brace the core at all, with a belt making your beltless bracing more effective
no, i am not. i specifically mentioned "if were not talking about proprioception" in the other sentence

a belt can definitely help with that. set correctly (not a problem with some help), you cant really brace against it incorrectly. its easier to feel what you need to do when you have the belt pressing against your abs.

If you have good form your chance of a major injury is significantly reduced. If you have good form you'll likely have a muscle strain. If you have bad form that's when you're likely to herniate a disc.

I lift with a flat back and still get pain in the low back. I feel ya OP

are you sure youre not overextending? the slightest bit of overextension, easily invisible to the untrained eye, can make a big difference on how the lift feels

i used to wear a belt and use straps because i had problems lifting anything over 225lb without them. i decided to check my ego and progress slowly without straps/belt, doing grip work after each lifting session. it took 7 months but i finally managed to do 4pl8 last week, and NOW i think im ready to start using a belt/straps.

if you start using these things too early in order to compensate for bad form, you're going to rely on them too much and one day you're going to snap your weak point in half. i seriously used to look like an angry cat when doing DL because it wasnt just my abs or my grip that was weak, i was weak all over. by taking my time and being patient i managed to get things sorted out and am at a point now where i can benefit from a belt because ive got my form dialed in.

I started using a belt after 2plate but I only use it on 85% or higher
and yes, you got memed on
that's why i never listen to people and just try it myself

>whoever says not to get a belt whenever the FUCK you feel like it is an idiot
This is correct.

This is also probably correct.

>This is also probably correct
nope

i mean, i even recorded myself lifting naked at one point just to make sure i could see with as much clarity as possible that no low back rounding occurred

low back rounding isn't even remotely difficult to correct

lifting with a belt i feel like a retard now for not using one previously. my low back feels like steel now and my core has gotten has stronger from using it

OP would reply to this if he wasn't /charlatan/

> post form video
> every reply contradicts each other

Not being able to distinguish between good and garbage advice on this website is on you.
The best you can do is not taking any advice posted here at all.

OP confirmed for charlatan

vid not uploaded

OP is a faggot fuck with rounded back

I can deadlift 4.5 plate without a belt.
The only time I've ever snapped my back up is from a goddamn foam roller, even then it was just a bad sprain.

I actually prefer to DL without a belt.

Not a troll post, I've tried it a few times and it felt incredibly unnatural, and actually found it harder to keep form.

Meh, as long as I keep progressing without snapping my shit up I don't care. (195kg 1x5 atm).

im the same as you
used a belt for a couple of months, could lift more weight but my work capacity seemed to go down and it just didnt feel right
dont use belt for anything atm
squatting 200 kg deadlifting 240 kg

If you weren't a stupid fuckface you'd know that romanian and straight leg deads would have fixed your deplorably weak lower back.

Which is why you snapped your shit in the first place.

t. another dyel who has no idea what you're talking about

You don't strengthen muscles necessary for the deadlift JUST by deadlifting. There is a reason why the deadlift is a compound lift, this means you can do individual accessory exercises to strengthen certain muscles

FYI faggots, I can tell none of you belt retards actually lift because you seem to believe abdominal strength is all you need to get good at deadlifts and maintain proper form

I'm going to do you a favor and recommend the "so you think you can deadlift" series before you actually snap your shit up

Only DYEL people running brosplits think that you shouldn't use a belt.
Never ever listen to people giving you advice anonymously on a fitness imageboard.

Is he ok?

Fact: when I first started lifting I could only do standing free weight leg press with 1pl8 until I got a belt

>You don't strengthen muscles necessary for the deadlift JUST by deadlifting.
so if you take your deadlift from 135 to 500lbs by doing deadlifts you have not actually strengthened the necessary muscles to do a deadlift? how does that work?

I tweaked my back a couple times deadlifting and then I figured out how to valsalva. No problems since.

only use it on working/top sets tbhfam

Unless the belt helps you better learn to brace in all situations....
>muh functional strength strikes again

>I admittedly had horrible form
>this is the belts fault

>fuck my back on the leg press God knows why two weeks ago
>still a bit painful
>don't know if because I'm a doc I fabricated this feeling of tingliness on my foot
Just fuck my shit up

You fags realize abs are like 10% of deadlift at best?

Spine erectors/low back and legs make up 90% of the strength. You people probably think you can get a 6pack from squatting.

Word. Abs to deadlift is like legs to bench. Sure you need to use them for stability, but to think it really does anything for developing them past noob tier is spandex-leggings on head retarded.

>taking advice from a board where 1/2 of posters can't bench 2plate

I seriously hope NONE OF YOU DO THIS.

so someone with weak abs could easily deadlift, say, 500lbs with no issue provided the rest of his body was strong enough?

no

i prefer to remain anonymous :)

Hey, I found OP's video.

So around what weight for squats did you guys invest in a belt? I'm at 230lbs for my 3x5 and feel like it's much too early to invest in a belt.

However I've seen dudes at my gym using a belt for 2 (two) plate deadlifts and that makes me realize I won't look as stupid as them if I invest in a belt now

you should train with a belt on your working set. the weight doesn't matter.

>implying you actually had correct form
>implying you're not DYEL
>implying you're not fat
>implying a belt would have helped
>implying you didn't play yourself

i'm not insecure in any way so your gut feeling is likely terribly wrong

I just pulled 4pl8 today with no pain or discomfort. Should I get a belt anyway? Was thinking of getting one before my squats get too heavy.

I can deadlift heavy for reps without a belt but I can barely squat 70% of my 1RM for reps without getting sore in my back and losing tightness and balance. I use a belt whenever I PR on deadlifts or pull my max single (which is 3pl8) as of 21/7 but except for that I don't really need a belt for deadlifts. Only reason I use it is for safety desu.

How do I into proper bracing for squats?

t-nation.com/training/the-belt-and-the-deadlift
yes, you should. you will lift more and thus make better progress with a belt

does someone have the rogue ohio lifting belt?
will size m fit for 165lb 5'11" ?

Yes, I have one 5'10" 178 lbs. Works fine for me

Read what I posted retard

>You don't strengthen muscles necessary for the deadlift JUST by deadlifting.

A lot of the time you can have other weak muscle groups involved in the deadlift like weak quads or a weak lower back, or just plain poor control of your tailbone.

Especially once you go above a 3-4plate deadlift you need to seriously start doing accessory work to make sure all muscle groups are activated correctly. It's not just a matter of "hurr durr deadlift more or use a belt to artificially make you stronger xD"

But go ahead, continue being a retard and rounding your spine and then blaming that on a weak core instead of something more reasonable like weak hamstrings or not using the hips in the movement

Fucking wannabe powerlifters who are just 5 months into SS. To anyone who actually wants to take lifting seriously don't ever, EVER take advice from the fucking retards in this board. Just go to /plg/ or any other actual strength focused forum

>Especially once you go above a 3-4plate deadlift you need to seriously start doing accessory work to make sure all muscle groups are activated correctly.
>use a belt to artificially make you stronger
> rounding your spine and then blaming that on a weak core instead of something more reasonable like weak hamstrings or not using the hips in the movement
thanks for the daily laugh. never change Veeky Forums

>dyel retard pretends to know more about poor deadlift form than actual powerlifters with 700+ lb deadlifts

Ok