/fraud/ general

Sorry, I kind of checked out mentally some time after the Bob Ross episode.

Got a question

I know test is legal in the former yugoslavs, but what about tren and deca ? Google isnt working Because some "natural alternative" bs is spamming the feed.

I'd appreciate any info on sources (info or purchase) for the above in former yugoslav area, hungary, serbia, etc

deca maybe tren no.
trens not made for human

That's not very authoritive, and while its not made for humans doesnt mean they've made it illegal :D

looking for accurate scales for measuring raw powders, any suggestions?

Where is the /fraud/ faq?

google /fraud/ nopaste

it hasn't been updated in a very long time though, we just direct people to r/steroids/wiki, it's a lot more indepth

So sdrol gives the most muscle mass for any compound added to test over a short/fixed period of time?

If it's not made for humans it will only exist in cattle pellet form. Silly yugoslav, make more intelligent posts.

Methyltren.

Why is Prolactin such a bitch?

>my prolactin jumps to 12 ng/ml
>my skin get dry
>i lose libido
>my erections are weak
>i don't want to lift anymore
>i feel tired all the time
>feel like a total pussy from /r9k/ with anxiety bigger than the biggest sperg

sdrol pumps an insane amount of water/glycogen into muscle quickly but takes a couple weeks to actually start seeing lean muscle gain

i dont think so. sdrol makes you bloat. Too many people mistake the bloating with actual muscle mass.

In my opinion deca is best. Lean quality pure muscle mass, no bloating (or barely).

Tren is also good, but tren is harsh and made for horses, so fuck that.

High deca, low test = goat.

Im not a yugo I just live there ;-;

So then, where can I get deca/tren in that area ? I assume unlike test its not offered at the pharmacy.

how the fuck is he supposed to know?

>Methyltren
I know sdrol is not to be taken lightly but isn't methyltren a lot worse even when it's 20/30mg vs the mcg dosage you take?I had little issue with tren and I tolerated it quite well even high dose worst sides were night sweats and libido too high. Ultimately the pip was too harsh for me though.

I'm not asking him specifically, im asking here in general in hopes that there is someone from that area that can inform me.

Just finished my 12 week cycle

1-12 Test E 500/wk
1-4 Accutane 10mg/day
8-12 Dbol 75mg/day

Gained 28 pounds, muscle and fat. Hair thinned a little, probably the accutane, I might jump on the finasteride train.

Really minimal sides, high bp, i ran around 141 systolic. Dick was strong first month, then mostly soft cuz dont know how to dial estro, got estro on hand at all times anyway.

Noe cruising on 150/week, gonna run deca/test/dbol next time.

Ask me anything.

Got cialis on hand is what I meant, I was popping 12.5mg of asin EOD, so I'm pretty sure it was always crashed.

How much difference in the mirror? Pics?

Also why dbol at the end instead of front?

I'm don't have pics yet, but I will later.
I always get comments of how I got bigger though so that's cool.

I did the Dbol at the end because I wanted to see how I respond to test at first, once I figured I had no sides on test I thought why not add an oral and see how my body responds to orals while sneaking in a few extra gains.

>Dick was strong first month, then mostly soft cuz dont know how to dial estro,
That's creepy

I see. I'm doing a similiar cycle but im going to front load. Can you give me an idea on how you dosed your AI? That's the only thing im a but unsure about.

I'm also trying to set realistic expectations. I'm ok gaining some BF but I really need to get bigger. I'm a fatty with loose skin so I'm trying to fill out a bit, already past 1/2/3/4 on the big lifts so not sure how much more size I'll get.

Def post those pics if you can.

Former fatty*

Mtren is a one way ticket to death or the land of no liver.
Stay away, even injectable form.
I have used injectable Mtren, aside from the ridiculous mental sides which tren never even gave me and the weird fucked up mood and weird tiredness I got later, it wasn't amazing. I gained, my liver values went fucking crazy. But hey it was cheap.

>1-4 Accutane 10mg/day
why in God's name would you take Accutane for only 4 weeks

8 weeks of dbol and complete inability to dose ai, sounds about right

>I did the Dbol at the end because I wanted to see how I respond to test at first,
you wanted to see how you react to test so you used the first 4 weeks of pinning to make that observation

fucking brilliant

I started with 6.25 E3D, and the adjusted depending on sides. Really hard to tell from feel, you gotta get labs to be accurate, just get cialis on hand just in case, it's only $25 for 30 pills of 20mg on sst and you only need 5mg to make it work for 24 hrs.

Why would you do high deca low tren? Most people like keeping high test low deca to eliminate deca dick.

Accutane takes about a month or 3 weeks for minor onset, and the effects tend to be permanent afterwards(I've take accutane before)

It was 4 weeks of dbol, read better.

I used the first 8 weeks of pinning, are you autistic? It takes 3 weeks for teste onset.

Stop posting pls.

Sup DEGENERATES?!?

...

How do you deal with your mk bloat? I've heard potassium but that always comes as potassium chloride or phosphate, and I don't fancy overdoing it on either of those two

>How do you deal with your mk bloat?
Dose right before bed.

So now that I have a gf I want to fuck other women even more, forbidden fruit syndrome.

What gives?

How long did you lift before you did your cycle? 28 lbs in 12 weeks jesus

send me some samples

What are fine side effects? I'm talking about your experience specifically.

Don't cheat man. It ain't worth it.
K

Because i care more about my hair and not being bloated, than having a limp dick.

low test, high deca = No MPB, no significant bloat.

high test, low deca = MPB and bloat/"fake gains".

>What are fine side effects?
Finasteride?

I'm 22 years old, started lifting at 18.

Been spinning my wheels with natty lifting for years, got sick of it. Gained more muscle in 3 months than 3 years.

Natty lifting is a meme

fina kills DHT. DHT is your sexual hormone basically and produces boners.

if you dose too much, limp dick.

There is also low risk of getting limp dick for your entire life, even when you come off.

Thats it afaik

Yes that's what I mean, ur personal experience.

FL, you realize that ass is not flat.

How much are you looking for, don't think anyone is gonna make the effort here to sell you 2 vials of test or whatever you're looking for.

Look online, it's not difficult to find these things.

>Gained more muscle in 3 months than 3 years.
>Natty lifting is a meme
wish I knew this sooner

how do i find blue eyed white girls with deeply dark hair?

Im sick of brown and blonde. Exspecially blonde.

But here in my country everyone looks like that, apart from turks. But im scared to fuck a turkish girl even tho there are some hot ones in my gym.

Ill get my head cut off if i do.

what would you say be a good starting dose for someone new to deca that is on trt levels of test, 200mg?

How would you guys classify drugs for hairloss?
the heaviest probably would be tren and mast
what about the middle and light?
where would test go?

Are u guys into this?

Oc

Yeah, my question was: do you think that I should wait until I've lifted for 2 years natty before taking sterons? I'm 25 and am coming up on 1 year of natty lifting with good results.

Cutting now - wasn't a fatty before but I intentionally ate at a huge surplus because I wanted to look bigger at any cost.

Tempted to get on gear after cut because the time would be right... Although I guess I could try the "lean bulk" meme and then hop on gear if I get tired of it, or after reaching the 2 year natty mark that I see memed across different forums (and on Veeky Forums too sometimes)...

>Yes that's what I mean, ur personal experience.
I stopped losing hair. I need more on a blast than a cruise. 1mg/day on cruise 5mg/day on a blast. No sides to report, dick works fine. My dick always works though desu. Only when my estrogen is really high do I have some minor dick problems.
When are you gonna come to the states so we can find you a nice American tit cow?
Just up the dose, they will find you. Believe in yourself, be yourself but less fat, get confidence and stop being ugly.
Would pin to bed face down ass up and smash until she is biting the sheets and passesout/10

Just do 250-500mg of test a week.

It won't harm you and you'll see great results if you eat right and train.

Dont trust this faggot. While i agree that natty lifting sucks and taking roids is easier, you can go far with natty if you actually work hard for it.

You havent done shit in those 3 years faggot.

pic related, natty.

no but srs. Look at masT. He was fucking insane when he was natty.

There are also a few people in my gym who look very decent too without roids.

Lifting natty just takes more time and energy than /fraud/.

But, more progress in 3 months fraud than 3 years natty, means you didnt do jackshit in those 3 years.

test would be light-medium one. Most people dont lose hair on test

deca would be harmless in that regard

masT is a genetical freak.

don't compare him to average dyel, he probably had high testosterone levels before he started roiding.

Possibly the stupidest and most incorrect response I've ever seen. I hope you're not sticking yourself

>/fraud/
>lazy bastards edition

Redundant OP

How's deca's anabolic properties?

lol fuck off white knight, test is the safest steroid

>masT is a genetical freak.
Pics of him before he started roiding?

And is latsbrah natty?

I would start with 200 deca 200 test. Do that for 8-12 weeks.If that works good and you dont experience anything bad, bump up to 400 deca and do 250 test. You shouldnt stay on that dose for too long, make breaks and do lower dosages from time to time.

Thats my personal dose, 400 deca and 150 test. Anything above 400 deca and i feel shit and cant handle it anymore.

I do low test because im scared of MPB.

>Pics of him before he started roiding?
doin't believe mast's claims.

Why is this stupid? Just curious. Because I haven't lifted for 2 years natty? Or are you just anti-test/roids?

It is comparable with tren, but doesnt have its harsh sides.

Unlike test, deca gives you clean, not bloated dry muscle mass. It takes a bit longer than test, but it will be legit/lean gains.
My compound-to-go for mass building.

It may give you a dead dick tho, if test is too low.

MasT is legit. I believe him being natty on the old pics.

>sold AMD earlier for comfy gains
>hits $8 today

fucking kill me, at least JB gf loves me

It sounds like you already know how to follow a routine and a proper diet, just learn the basics of roids and side effects and hop on already, and cruise after, you're just wasting time at this point, I'd rather do cycles younger so I can maintain when I'm older.

>TDee of near 3k
>wanting to cut at 1k a day and hit 9% BF
>finished the day at 1500 cals cause I ate a ham and cheese sandwich at work literally 3 hours after lunch

pretty sure he is just a mad natty.

is right. I got huge on 250 cruise and 500 blast. Its all you need to be bigger than 98% of your sorrounding.

> you'll see great results if you eat right and train.

this is the most important. Test is great but it isnt magical. If you have shit sleep, eat shitty and train shitty it wont do good. Thats why i see faggots here who blast 500mg test but still look shit.

After i got on test, i now invest 8 hours into the gym every week. Doing 2 minute rests, cardio after every session. Eating 3500 cals, going to bed at 9pm.

If you want magic, you have to run all kinds of shit and i advice against it.

Here have some more then.

you guys seem pretty chill

i'm on test only, but i eat shit, sleep shit.
However, i still get a lot better results than natty

if you lifted for 1 year and you know how to make gains and try hard ( you have to train harder on roids) then you are g2g.

>( you have to train harder on roids)
not really

Yeah maybe, but you are wasting potential and gains.

>train harder

My favorite roid meme

it's gangstalicious, he's the closet one.

The other dudes are thugnificent, flonominal and macktastic.

i surely am.
But it's bettern than on natty, for sure.

>second-guessing thoughts
fuck, it's me

Are you sure prolactin does all that? I thought it just makes you not be able to cum

Bought 1k worth of DWTI, praying hard, fundamentals looking good.

Can't think of much I'd want to do in the states desu

Would go to the nordic countries for the big titties

>'m doing a similiar cycle but im going to front load. Can
Wait til you are married user.
>not user

prolactin also lowers testosterone and makes you feel like a bitch in the process, so he might be right about diagnose

It does? Time to up my test dose

Fucking hell you guys make roids sound so magic like Whenever I venture out into natty Veeky Forums they lecture me about heart issues and other long term consequences that I'm still researching but here's it's just an echo chamber of the positive reasons to do it. I love it do cycles younger so I can maintain when I'm older.
Thanks for the insight. During my first few months of lifting I was not too disciplined because I was also smoking weed. After quitting I'm a lot better at counting calories/macros, pushing myself every time I go to the gym, and getting enough rest.

>shit sleep, eat shitty and train shitty
So the non-shit versions of those would be:
8 hrs sleep
2.5xbodyweight calories
Lift heavier every session
??

Right now I'm getting 8 hours, eating at a deficit (but I can easily switch that stuff up), and lift according to my ability (lift heavier every week and a half or so - not exactly the next session because I get my volume up before I up the intensity).

I do know how to make gains, but as mentioned above, interested in clarification of the required surplus, and how exactly to measure or set goals for "training harder."

>"tinder girls" are way more easy outside tinder than on tinder
I still don't understand this.

Don't even want to visit me? Wow
Woooooow

Anyone running mast e? If so was there any dramatic increase in acne?

Im running syndicates mast e atm, 750mg/week. Just about on 3rd week, takes a bit to kick in, but just a tad bit on shoulders

You've obviously never seen half the trips here who have been roiding for years and blasting ridiculous amounts of hormones at that. Don't get me wrong, steroids can get you swole but don't think you're going to eat pizza every day and train half assed 3 times a week and see any difference besides acne, hairloss, blood pressure issues and all sorts of shit.

Ya cmon canary. Jerry and unemployedlifts and I are gonna go drinking and pick up some tit cows.