/owg/ - dead sport edition

Olympic weightlifting general

First for white people MUST pay reparations to Blacks for slavery.

At what point is it acceptable to start training or get a coach for Oly lifting? I'm not even close to 1/2/3/4, so I'm sure most will say to get a lot stronger. I'm just wondering when Veeky Forums thinks it's appropriate to start focusing on oly liftan

Get one immediately, your strength is irrelevant.

You will be much happier having good efficiency in the classics vs strength lifts. It is much easier to increase your strength and maintain good technique, than be strong with bad technique and try and hammer out your bad technique.

Immediately. Ideally from the beginning.

What about Arabs and other blacks? They contributed more to slavery than the white men who died for its abolition.

Alright. Well I guess I better look for a trainer lol

whites are evil and directly responsible for Black slavery in the USA. Pay up

The b8 is real

Is this good tech?

>GEORGIANS have to pay for black slavery

Nigga u do realise the Georgian people were enslaved and brough to Turkey, etc. Not only black people got slaved fucking retard.

/thread

If I sign up for an oly gym, will they teach me to squat in addition to the two movements?

I can't progress on my squat even if my life depended on it. Squatting 85kg 5x5 @ 80kg BW

try catching lower it will be useful when the weights get heavier

kys

Don't listen to this retard

Veeky Forums What do I do if I want to attend the next summer olympics with my national olympic weightlifting team? What should my routine be to progress on my C&J and Snatch? Also is it humanely possible to become an olympic level weightlifter before the 2020 Tokyo olympics?

>sunglasses

Yeah B group for sure

buy tickets and watch from the stands

Yes. Squatting is one of the most used accessory movements in olympic lifting.

Though consider why you are stalling:

1) Not squatting enough? 2xWeek minimum. 2) Deloading too often? If you can't hit 5 reps don't think of deloading until you can squat a lot more. If you can only get 3, add a rep per session/week until you hit 5. 3) 5x5 was/is a 'prep' program. Consider going with a strength program. 5/4/3/2/1 in 5kg jumps is the basic. 4) Staleness? See 3

Need a good resource to properly learn the clean catching position.

Had Everett's book but former lap is kill and can't find it anywhere.
Any other good option?

Just check catalyst athletics, will give you 90% of the info you need probably.

>catalyst athletics
checking it right now
tx

You don't need to be extremely strong to build technique, start learning the snatch and clean and jerk asap.

No, just stop lifting Jacob, you're never going to make it.

Redpill me on lifting with an herniated disk.

you should probably talk to a doctor, not a bunch of autismos on a cantonese cartoon-themed board.

bumping

So squat vs split
Pros and cons?

For jerks, squat jerking is good if you have the leverages, technique, and strength to do it, and have found you can move more weight with the squat over the split.

There's literally no reason to do the split unless you just cannot do a full squat if you're talking about split snatch vs clean.

For jerks? Or are you still thinking about split cleans like that one retarded user suggested?

Theoretically, you can do more weight with squat jerking. Though it's a lot more technical and easier to miss early.

Split cleans are just retarded. I learned how to full clean in three months, it can be done. user just has a fixed mindset

Jerks
Didn't even know it was a thing for cleans

yeah, it's normally not. Some user was just being retarded earlier

wow you're actually a lot better than before

bruh there are some retard crossfitters out there who do split snatches and cleans as part of their wods, you never know.

Are there any movements that have very good carryover to powercleans?

I'm going to be getting weightlifting coaching in two months, and in the meantime I wanted to have a movement I can do that has good carryover to what I personally want to learn, rather than trying to practice the actual movement and ingrain bad motor patterns desu

>crossfitters

Brehs I've got a glute mobility/flexibility imbalance. Is it alright to just stretch my perfect tight ass on just the tighter side until the imbalance is gone?

At 80kg bw you should be doing way more than 85 5x5 before you change. I can squat over 2x bw and still get a lot out of lp

Even if you can't full squat snatch or clean, power would still be better than split for most people. If you look at masters lifters, it's only the really old guys who split and it's often because they learnt that when they were young as it was the in vogue style. The people who lack flexibility just do powers and there's still some big numbers being done. Saw a guy go 115/150 and he powered both

Pls respond

Just talked to a doctor but I'm not convinced with the conclusion "it's just muscular pain". Maybe I should get a second opinion somewhere else, don't want to into snap city.

>Not very technical
Clean deadlifts
"explosive" deadlifts
RDLs/SLDLs
>Decently technical
Hang Power cleans
Hang Pulls
Clean Pulls

desu you should probably do Fsquats as well

Lads I wanna get into oly but my flexibility is not quite on point. I already stretch hams/hip flexors/shoulders/quads every workout(3x a week) but I cant seem to get into a good fsquat position still. Am I forgetting to stretch something real important or do I need to up the frequency?

Could be 10000 reasons why you can't into Fsquats.
Do you have a picture of yourself front squatting or at least squatting?

Generally what is holding people back in terms of their Fsquat-mobility is the following
>Thoracic mobility
lats, traps etc
>Hip mobility
already working on this, good for you
>ankle mobility
If you don't have god tier hip mobility or very nice squat leverages you will need good ankle mobility to get into a proper fsquat

If all of those areas are on point and you're still having issues you might just have awkward leverages for squatting.
If you have very long femurs and a short torso you will need exceptional mobility to get into a proper frontsquat.
You might also have some issues depending on arm length and so on as that will fuck with your grip a bit - usually this is a non issue though

If it wasn't clear enough, those areas are in order of importance for what people generally struggle with.

Thoracic mobility is usually the number 1 thing that people struggle with. Hips are a close second. Ankle mobility is *generally* just an added bonus of being able to stay even more upright (although some fuckers have literally exceptional ankle mobility which helps them a lot).

Hamstring/Quads/Shoulders while all important areas to stretch shouldn't affect your fsquat all that much

I appreciate the input, though I was under the impression that ankle mobility is the most important thing. From what you've said I think I lack thoracic mobility since I dont stretch that at all. I generally just have trouble staying upright and it feels like I lack ankle flexibility to assume a comfortable ATG position in any squat really.
Do you think stretching 3x a week is fine? I'm usually rather sedentary besides that and I feel like it impacts my flexibility quite a bit. Just feels weird stretching without being properly warmed up after a good work out.

It could be that it is your ankle mobility that is holding you back the most, it's just usually more than just that though. And supposing you have WL-shoes it really shouldn't bother you to much (unless you have VERY poor ankle mobility).
Again, do you have any pictures or access to a camera? A lot easier to help you then.

>Stretching 3x a week
Stretching is a bit of a fucky subject desu. I'll divide this into two different types of stretches in order for it to make more sense
>Yoga
You are stretching for at least 30min and getting into funky positions for funky positions sake. You enjoy stretching and the goal of life is to self-blowjob.
If this is the case, stretching should be done at a minimum of 3 times a week.
>Stretching for performance
You are stretching in order to get better on the platform (oly/pl). You don't give a shit about doing the splits or sucking your own dick.
More than likely this is you but I just wanted to differentiate between the two.

In the second example the ROM you gain is fairly temporary as you're spending 5-20min of stretching (guessing).
You are more in the land of "activating" muscles and "realizing" mobility more so than gaining *more* mobility (as you would in "yoga"). That isn't to say that you won't experience more mobility, you will. However, I recommend stretching prior to lifting. Stretch and get into the positions you want to be in while lifting just before you start lifting. Your body will then be ready to assume said positions under load. Make sure you lower the weights just slightly for a week or two so you're actually able to maintain the newfound positions.

>you're full of shit fucking broscience
I'm explaining it like an idiot, I'm very sorry. Check out Quinn Henoch of Juggenaut - he goes in depth with this shit.
I would mainly look at his "Stretching is not the answer" and "Mobility/Stability" videos. He has a lot of other shit that is also very valuable information but that's where I would start.

fk off ed

Different user but to add to this;

I'm very inflexible (basically power all snatches because of inability to get a good receive) and I really hammered stretching for a while... Every day, twice a day. Initially it made a big leap forward, but then my body felt worse. Remember stretching hard is going inoact your CNS. You have to be sensible, know when to back off etc just like with lifting. This I think is the benefit of yoga, it's a bit more all round and you won't be putting yourself in the same harsh stretches every session.

Dudes, boyonka kostova can fs 200kg, so why is her best sn only 118? I know lads hitting around that number who dont even back squat 200

My phone is an old piece of shit so its unlikely that I'll be able to post pics.
I do stretch before lifting and I own decent wl shoes(adidas pp2.0s). I also have taken slight deloads across the board just to go a bit lower on squats to stretch out a bit more. Again, thanks a lot for the help, I'll watch the guy you mentioned and just keep on stretching.

Cool! Good luck with it.
You haven't mentioned it, but look at your squat stance as well. For some reason a lot of people think they need to stand very narrow while squatting (which puts a TON of emphasis on having crazy ankle mobility)
However, if you look at top end lifters there are quite a few who stand with a shoulder-wide stance. Lu Xiaojun and Mohammed Ehab to name two just off the top of my head.

Another thing to really pay attention to is your balance. It sounds stupid but many so called mobility issues are just issues of balance in disguise.

If for instance you are falling forward do to a weak upper back, or you are falling backwards because you are on your heels, or a million other possible balance issues your body will generally tighten up to overcorrect some of theses issues.

By staying calm and balanced with the same balance point throughout the lift you eliminate the possibility of your body seizing up to balance you. An easy example of this is rocking backwards, your hamstrings will typically tighten as will your hips in order to bring you back into balance. The tightening of these muscles may contract your lower back and lose rigidity.

I suggest a slow concentric phase where you lower yourself using your hip flexors and hamstrings, and feel the quadriceps tense in bottom position. Then preform the eccentric phase as fast as possible, but make sure you are constantly balanced! Do not sacrifice balance for speed, instead sacrifice speed for balance.

what was the name of that amateur irish weightlifter who used to be a semimeme here couple years back? young guy with insane lifts who was aiming for rio? also had jump tricking vids on his channel. what's he doing now? did he get in the olympics?

So, more retests from Beijing, and a couple big names popped.

Interestingly now too the Chinese finally getting caught... For peptide use. Maybe this is how they've avoided detection for a long time, peptides being relatively new.

This and the scene caused by the Iranian fans doesn't paint weightlifting in a great light right now

Clarence. He didn't go Rio. Hasn't competed in ages, and is on celltech which he seems to be enjoying so I doubt we'll ever see him at a comp not even national level ever again.

Now Akkaev and Lapikov have been popped from Beijing, surely Klokov must be shitting his pants.

Or is he untouchable?

Why does he care? He retired from WL ages ago.

Finally got my 100kg CnJ

FS max is only 105

maybe find a sports physiotherapist if you can, a GP probably won't be much help

This . I wrecked my back power cleaning. The doctor thought it was muscle pain despite having crippling pain when I woke up, I couldn't bend over and had absolutely no power in my legs. Went to a sports physio and I was fixed within a month.

You're power cleaning wrong

Yeah, severely wrong, went too heavy.

pls get stronger

What is Celltech?

Working on it.

Max back squat is only 135, I weigh 85. Pathetic.

It dat dere supplementation

Is it a comp-legal supplement?

pretty sure it is, yeah, I don't think it has any banned stimulants or anything.

It's meme speak for roids
Actual cell tech is a meme protein powder or some shit

As long as you don't get caught

>implying Klokov isn't 105% natty