Nofap

Why haven't there been more and longer term studies done on nofap and t levels? Specifically I'd like to see long term studies done under specific circumstances such as nofap for a year or more and t levels during weight training compared to a fapper.

I feel pubmed studies are being used to put the nail in the coffin on far too many important topics when the data is really too limited.

People will usually say something to the effect of, "well look at this guy, he faps and fucks and he's shredded" but most of those guys are destroying their internal organs with pinning several different roids and pct.

People are too quick to take the advice of others on the internet -- the internet which is now dominated by social websites which are a fucking gigantic world domination sized goldmine for viral marketing. You will believe anything if you believe it's somebody like you telling you something instead of a marketer.

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ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7192541
sacred-texts.com/nth/tgr/tgr16.htm
twitter.com/SFWRedditVideos

I'm on my second day of nofap and I'm going to fail. Seems like it's just not for us "fap daily for 10+ years since puberty" people.

Because nobody gives a fuck, and anybody with a brain already knows blowing your little load has no noticeable affect on t levels.

If you are really concerned, I'll bottle all mine and send it your way for the gainz

>You will believe anything if you believe it's somebody like you telling you something instead of a marketer.
don't take any chances and just call everyone a shill.

They say fornicating with your hand daily and watching dehumanising porn messes with your mental psyche.

you can do it,just keep your hand away from your dick,it's as easy as that.
I know it's hard but you have to catch yourself before you start.
I failed today,but I'm gonna make it.
Just think about your future

The logic is usually incredibly poor and only backed up by dogpiling and not science. Shills can be spotted a mile away.

What was your streak? I just downloaded a bunch of porn.

2 days haha,you need to find some hobbies and use your time valuably.Fapping consumes so much time when you're addicted it's no joke

I work and barely have any free time. On a typical day after work and gym I only have maybe an hour or two and I usually spend it unwinding on the internet. And all the porn on the internet leads to fapping.

Nofap is wishful thinking, a bunch of beta men that never had anything going on in their life suddenly realized that if they didn't spend the whole day at their basements fapping to obscure porn their lives got better. But instead of realizing the obvious, that they spent too much fucking time on that, they think its some crazy pseudo-science that if you don't touch your dick you turn into Alpha-Superman-Jesus.

Stop being delusional, you guys are literally a mix of vegans and tumblr. You think nofap is some magical formula worth of a cult around it and you refuse to see reality for what it is, just like tumblr whales do. For millions of years men have been masturbating and living their lives, we prosper and here we are now. Why do you think that suddenly some disgusting reddit neckbeards found the secret to the next step to evolution? Wake up.

>For millions of years men have been masturbating and living their lives, we prosper and here we are now
For millions of years men have been becoming utterly defeated with a family life or a lonely loser jerking it in the dark. That's where we are right now, not in your delusional fantasy world.

Except that Olympic athletes and old religions and philosophies think otherwise dumb cunt

Now post some evidence or shut the fuck up with your 'common knowledge'

And you think that not touching your dick for a lot of time will make it better? People are fucking losers because instead of looking at problems and trying to fix them in a practical way, retards like you come up with excuses and meme treatments that don't do anything.

If you think that jerking off is the root of the problems in your life, you're fucked in the head and mostly likely doing humanity a favor by making yourself impotent.

Also Olympic athletes fuck like rabbits before big competitions if you had actually payed attention to the Olympics this year you'd know about it and all the little scandals they had there because of it.

>And you think that not touching your dick for a lot of time will make it better? People are fucking losers because instead of looking at problems and trying to fix them in a practical way, retards like you come up with excuses and meme treatments that don't do anything.

If you think that jerking off is the root of the problems in your life, you're fucked in the head and mostly likely doing humanity a favor by making yourself impotent

These are all a strawman. Everything I think is in the OP and not your strawman version of it.

Ok OP I'm gonna help you out because why the fuck not.

Test subjects that have been subjected to no orgasms over extended periods of time have all come back with similar results, absolutely no change in hormonal or testosterone levels for the first 7 days, then on day 8, the testosterone levels in all participants rose dramatically to around 140% of their normal levels, a day later these plummeted back to normal levels, and in many cases even lower, no further spikes in testosterone were recorded for the rest of the testing, which took 7 weeks.

I'll dig a link out if I can but that's pretty much the bare bones of it, that's why boxers aren't allowed to have sex for a week before a fight.

Thats delusion, you're being paranoid about something really fucking futile. You think people "shill" masturbation? Give me a break dude, nobody cares if you spank the monkey or not go to any normie doctor that never heard about "nofap" and ask him if there are any problems with masturbation. He'll explain it to you in all the medical terms you need that shit doesn't matter, masturbation is normal and healthy. Its the human way to lead with the primal urges to mate, since you know, its bad to force fuck women in the streets.

Jesus Christ step out of the internet for a day or two my man.

>same old chinese study that has never been peer-reviewed

its exactly for people like us

>trillion dollar porn industry doesn't exist pls rape my face
and again with the strawman. ffs read the op everything i think is in there and all bases are covered you're not a unique snowflake i've already been in your state of mind and evolved past it

Three weeks is no where near long enough to show a change in an action that could take a year or more to fully show the effects of. We already know ejaculating does very little day to day on test levels so three weeks wouldn't be significant either. And also levels could respond differently to different situations such as during weight training. You didn't even read the OP your line of reasoning I've already progressed far past.

No one cares. Seriously, no one cares about your super niche research topic that would have marginal effects on test levels at best, IF you don't have sex or jack off in 1 year(not to mention that it would be hard as fuck to be sure that the test subjects actually endured 1 year). If you want a study you'd have to fund it yourself.

I'm in my 14th hour and I'm dying for it.

I've gone like 7 days before and felt like a milion bucks, treating my girlfriend like gold (this was during shark week in cooch creek) and having far better interactions with people in general. When I eventually fucked her after she was done and I shot an enormous load all over her which amazed her. Before doing proper nofap I had quit porn for a while and had just serviced myself with my imagination while she wasn't around.

The other day though I caved and went onto bing and found so much new stuff with my old favourite pornstars and now I can barely go for a few hours without watching porn and fapping. I definitely feel more shy, subdued and lower in energy/motivation since going back.

it exists because people want something to masturbate to, not part of some jewish conspiracy to rob the goyim of their test

You know what, I feel that you are euphoric by your own enlightenment, and you obviously is the only one who is going to survive this grand evil scheme with your untouched dick. And me and all the doctors and normal people around the world who masturbate are just going to perish while preaching the word of satan to try to damn the valorous like you. Good thing you evolved beyond that and salvation is already at hand.

Keep on fighting the good fight, I'll tell Goldberg that the plan failed we'll have to have a meeting to decide on how to attack your dick next.

To be honest if you need to stop ejaculating (the most basic human function you were created to do) just to have test levels high enough to compete with real men, then you're a fucking failure dude honestly.

Big advocate of nofap but for the love of god don't fuck a fat chick when you get desperate.

Fucked this absolutely mank whale with a pussy that tasted like a sweaty shoe mixed with a dog toy for 3 months while doing nf towards the end of last year. Goddamn it makes me feel sick even to this day.

I love the difference in my personality while doing it... but sometimes a good old session of jerking to a video of a hot girl putting a pineapple in her ass is essential to avoid sexually assaulting people.

I actually do have some evidence that could point towards the need for further research. Case inside of point inside of quote:

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7192541

>Plasma testosterone levels in a group of 341 men with sexual dysfunction were compared to those in 199 men with normal sexual function. All subjects were participants in a 2-week intensive conjoint sex therapy program at the Masters & Johnson Institute. Testosterone determinations were made using radioimmunoassay methods after column chromatography; all blood samples were obtained on the second day of therapy between 8:00 and 9:00 a.m. after an overnight fast. Circulating levels of testosterone in men with normal sexual function (mean 635 ng/dl) were not significantly different from testosterone values in sexually dysfunctional men (mean 629 ng/dl). However, men with primary impotence (N = 13) had significantly higher testosterone levels than men with secondary impotence (N = 180), with mean levels of 710 and 574 ng/dl, respectively (p < 0.001).

The pertinent bits:

>635 ng/dl t level in healthy male
>710 ng/dl t level in men with primary impotence

That's a 75 ng/dl difference in men who can't ejaculate. While that's not the purpose of this study, one could reasonably conclude these men haven't ejaculated for a long time possibly never.

A 10% test boost for not jacking for a year combined with the 7 day T spike and the chinese study? Suddenly it looks like there might be a whole lot more to this whole testosterone ejaculation thing that the porn industry is rabidly trying to conceal.

Also consider that your brain androgen receptora tank and estrogen receptors go through the roof after ejaculating.

Blowing your load turns you into a girl mentally dude you may as well become a trap while you're at it.

fappers B T F O

>that one shill who's sweating in his dungeon whild furiously typing a response as we speak

fap shills on suicide watch

If so, does ejaculating into a girl makes you a girl?

It got awful quiet in here buncha angry fappers getting TOLD :)))

>day two of nofap
>feel literally nothing yet
>weekend coming up
>going to be locked in all day doing homework instead of socializing
I'm going to fail bros

Well, here's my personal anecdote. Partly due to catholic guilt and the lack streaming internet porn, I went nofap easily for 1+ year from junior-senior year in high school. In retrospect, I was super disciplined and a lot more focused than I was post-nofap. I feel that 1 week is about the sweet spot for feeling noticing a difference in energy or restlessness that can be channeled into exercise or something constructive.

There is definitely something to it. It's like any other drug that delivers dopamine: if you stop it you have cravings, and after a week or two you probably don't think about it anymore. Just keep your tolerance super low.

this

Addendum: sacred-texts.com/nth/tgr/tgr16.htm

Napoleon Hill has a chapter in his most famous self-help book Think and Grow Rich basically dedicated to the concept of nofap. Napoleon Hill. Take off your fedoras and give it a read.

Considering you are right, you get that 10% test boost at the cost of complete celibate life, then what? What do you do with it? Also if you fuck a girl and ejaculate in her like says you lose your "super powers". Whats the point of all this man? Can someone look at you and say "Oh look at that guy its obvious he has that +10% test, wow"? Do you understand how retarded do you sound?

Unless you tell me that the celibacy brings you some sort of heightened state of mind, then I recommend you becoming a monk or a priest, they found out about it a long time ago.

Holy fuck I made it!
It's about 1h until I have to sleep and I have nothing to do and I'm so fucking board, and I have not urge at all to fap! Never felt better!

Idle hands are the devil's play things. Do something to keep your mind from wandering.

forget NOFAP

PORN is the real fucking problem.

Your brain becomes addicted to it.

>porn has conditioned your brain to be content with your life, no matter what your social status is.
>since PORN is an addiction, it's very hard to do "NOFAP".
>as you slowly withdraw yourself from PORN, your body freaks out
>anxiety = classic symptom that your body puts out when you're no longer getting your PORN fix.
>after your brain "restarts", you no longer feel the withdrawal effects (anxiety/fear/social phobia)
>that's when your brain tells you to find real vagina b/c it's no longer addicted to porn + instant gratification

tl;dr

Porn = addiction
withdrawing from your addiction = anxiety/panic attacks, etc
overcome that withdrawal = welcome to real life.

I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

>tfw nofap won

that's the problem

your BRAIN IS ADDICTED TO PORN

you could be surrounded by girls all fucking day, but your ass is content with jerking off to xhamster.

This content attitude is what causes you to fear talking to girls b/c your brain doesn't perceive it as a life or death scenario. Your brain knows that you'll be impregnating sasha grey right before you go to sleep.

By practicing NOPORN, you'll slowly rewire your brain to seek actual female interaction since it could possibly lead to your seeds being spread.

Also, your anxiety/depression will also go away b/c those are the things that prevent you from passing down your genes.

Naturally, those mental defects will fade away and you'll be that dude that every girl desires and feel comfortable to fuck since your brain views them as potential mates instead of that pornhub girl you worship every night.

Not that user, but I'd argue that the confidence you gain from kicking a dumb habit like fapping is even more valuable than that

Stop "unwinding" on the internet then. Get a new hobby. Meet some people. Get a qt3.14 gf and spend those hours fucking and cuddling.

im in the same boat bro. failed today after a streak of 3 days. this time im gonna make it, for me, for my relationship, and for Veeky Forums

>inbf weakwilled faggot

i know.

Don't think of it that way. Focus on something else. Try shifting all that focus on lust to reading a calculus textbook or learning music theory or programming. I almost fapped just a sec ago to some b fap roulette shit, but I realized all I will get out of it is tiredness and sadness that I don't have a real gf. Let go of lust, if you can't be happy as a volcel wizard, you won't be truly happy with a gf anyways.

You can't always change your circumstances, and you shouldn't constantly try to. You need to be content with present, whether you are happy or sad, because the present is all you have. Lust doesn't bring true fulfillment, in fact, I don't know what the fuck brings true fulfillment. I do know that constantly training my body and brain to be the best they can be is more fulfilling than sitting on Filipino coloring book forums wondering whether to fap or not.

how do you stay away from porn when it's all over the internet man

I did /nofap/ for a week and was such a needy beta clingy bitch.

im never doing that shit again

What's a volcel?

Voluntary celibate

lol as if they have a decision in that matter

I'll save you faggots the trouble.

Listen to me, NoFap is fucking pointless if you are going to spend hours shitposting on a taiwanese rubberband board. The point is to make yourself so busy that you just don't have the time to bust a nut and be a lazyfag.

What do I mean by busy? Shit, learn a skill. Take up programming, apply for a job, write, the list goes on. Just don't waste your fucking time.

>75 ng/dl difference in men who can't ejaculate
75ng/dl is literally nothing m8 and that's not even confirmed, but whatever if you feel like you are accomplishing something in your life by not masturbating keep it on boy.
I kinda feel sad for nofap enthusiasts, they actually believe they are doing something good or valuable, but it's always, everytime losers who advocate this shit.
I don't ever masturbate but I don't see how it could affect anything in a considerable way

I started nofap like... 7 days ago?

Could be confirmation bias but I've never made better progress on curing my scoliosis

Inb4
>scoliosis
>curable

I jack off. Just not to porn.

Give up the porn.

hows that work, then?
t. Quasimodo

It's placebo, do you know when your house is a mess and you feel too lazy to organize, then things seem to just go badly because you have that messy thing there bringing your mood down? Then you clean it up and suddenly life is a lot better and easier.

Maybe thats not the best example but as a person with OCD thats was the first thing that popped in my mind. Anyways, they do nofap and it feels like a huge sacrifice to them since they are mostly chronic masturbators, so it feels like their life completely changes, even some non sense bullshit like

Its like we are in a church with a priest curing peoples cancer by yelling really hard at them. It's all in their minds but they'll never admit because that would be admitting that they were being retarded in the first place.

Fuck, literally just fapped between quarters after staying strong for a week. Almost hornily downloaded tinder too but I'm keeping my promise to wait until I "make it."

Could be increased testosterone helping me tear my muscles out of the gutter, could be my college peers laughing at me behind my back and fueling my motivation. Best advice I can give you is to step forward with your pelvis when walking, and to pay attention to your lower traps when lifting.
Yes, good atheist goy, you've never done anything wrong. Keep living your tiny life like a good goy.

Also, if you have a crooked jaw you will never have a straight back.
I advise listening to slipknot.

You want evidence yet in your own post you reference anecdotal evidence from philosophers and religious fanatics.

Oh the ironing...

>75ng/dl is literally nothing m8
Neither is the 3mg of creatine I take every morning but I'm not going to quit because t. steroidmonkey scoffs at my natty gains.