Real Man

I thought about including military service
Not being a professional soldier but having a few years under your belt wont do any harm

[Tipping Intensifies]

Because small tribes are known for their computer programming and ship navigation?

Strength, in all senses of the word.

Mental, physical, emotional and so on.

That is the main thing that makes a man valuable.

It also pretty much leads into every other admirable trait in a man.

There is nothing in this world as useless and disgusting as a pathetic, weak male.

Its the easiest way to live, with sex. Deny yourself for a year and see how you change.

Hydrocarbons and electricity?

Just be able to stand up for yourself when confronted. Carry yourself with dignity when you need to. It's not like being a man is important anyway. Some of your biggest heroes are probably effeminate pussies anyway but they're still respected.

The three rules to being a man is this:

1) Be independent
2) Be able to take on responsibility instead of making constant excuses
3)Be able to perform basic adult functions like driving a car, getting a job, taking care of a family etc.

That's it.

>deny yourself for a year
How about 20?

I've got mixed feelings about that.
Deployments were memorable, but being treated poorly by absolute fuckwits that dropped out of high school takes the cake.

that'll be me in about 48 hrs

·Stand up for women facing harassment
·Amplify the voices of marginalised, otherised and oppressed groups
·Respect consent
·Seek out literature, films, art and music produced by PoC to broaden your perspective
·#giveyourmoneytowomen

you didn't deny yourself, others denied you it. there's a difference, shitbreath

I think that being a man is more of a mindset than anything else. While i agree with you that physicality is a part of it I wouldn't say bench numbers are the sole thing you should look at.

Op here
Another thing I think is important is to let go of "childish" stuff like gaming or escapism like fantsy or scifi novels etc
I was never really productive when i was involved with vidya or tabletop games when i was younger

>nah, fuck homework, im gonna play some Fallout

Thats at least true for me

Lel
Fucking make a post on craigslist or something you sperg. Chicks do browse it, it's just they don't make posts because 100,000 thirsty middle aged men will spam them with replies. All you need to do is resist the temptation of the 1,000 thirsty middle aged homos trying to 'convert' straight virgins into gayfags.

I'm still being denied am I not?
Losing your virginity is a struggle for some people

also
·Explore your sexuality freely
·Use ethics to inform your consumer choices

I feel like this deserves to get thrown into the mix.
In my opinion, it had some pretty solid insights; at least for me.
markmanson.net/content/PDFs/Butchering_The_Alpha_Male.pdf

Strength in all forms as another user said.
Choosing good friends.
And a man must be able to provide and protect his family with his life.

At it's most basic I would say strength in all it's forms. Physically rugged and capable, mentally tough and cool under pressure. You don't have to be super serious or a body builder, but be able to handle all forms of duress and challenge. If you can pick up a wounded man and find it easy to crack jokes at weddings because it doesn't perturb you, you're doing alright.

Everything else is icing on the cake. Survival skills, being capable of multiple tasks, being a learned intellectual. As far as the ideal man goes, I always remember that ancient guys like Socrates weren't just old geeks sitting around questions, these dudes were not only intelligent and analytical, in all manners of politics/medicine/etc, they were also fucking ripped, super healthy and ex-military, these guys were wearing armor and gutting people with spears. Badass.

*funerals, not weddings. Similar principle though.

you PC, brah?

The pinnacle of masculinity is fatherhood
>inb4 tips fedora

What in the blue hell is wrong with you?

How do you stay cool under pressure?

I'm a nervous wreck and get uppity at the slightest thing
Even when I'm drinking

right on man, I've been denying myself sex for six years h-heh

It depends on the person but I have a personal philosophy. I used to be anxious as well, had panic attacks in school like Tony Soprano if you've seen the show, just like that. Felt overwhelmed and irritated easily.

What I eventually realized is, no matter what terrible circumstance had ever befallen me, from minor setbacks like homework in school to relatives dying, I realized that EVERYTHING that had EVER gone wrong, had eventually solved itself. Nothing ever lasted because I found a way, eventually, to solve it, fix it, or get around it. So I thought, if life goes on, and we're all here for a temporary period, and all my seemingly huge issues were ultimately meaningless, why worry? Why exert emotion and focus on these tasks before me or these stressers? I shouldn't.

So I kicked them out of my head and focused on the now. One of my favorite quotes is by Ernest Hemingway, "the greatest gift any man could have is to learn to live in the moment", and this is a manly man, a guy who wrote, adventured, traveled, and lived. It's true too, I just focus on what's happening right now and try not to blow it out of proportion.

I went from an anxious neurotic to someone who is known by his friends to very cool under stress and pressure, seriously.

No. As much as I disagree with modern leftist nu-male effiminate bullshit, politics have nothing to do with manliness. Anyone telling you that you should support and/or disagree with some political ideology because that would make you "manly" is using your insecurities to manipulate you as well as revealing that they have shit arguments.

Misguided political beliefs are destroyed through a combination of argument, evidence, reason and ethical deliberation - not by calling the other guy a "pussy". Now the other guy may very well be a pussy, but that is beside the point.

>That's pretty much it.
Are you sure? Are you 100% sure that as long as I ideologically claim to be right-wing, it doesn't matter how cringy I am or how many fedoras I own or how many times a day I fap to anime, I'm still "manly"?

What? I don't know amigo, you tell me.

Good read, thank you

I think your right if you say that politics and manliness are not connected in a way that you are only manly if you believe x

But i would say there are politic views/ideologies that tend to attract more manly man, ie conservatism/right wing stuff
Think Schwarzenegger, Eastwood, Gibson etc

>Jack Donovan
Redpill me on androphilia, is that just being gay but no homo?

Yeah it's actually not a coincidence, they have done lots of studies on psychology and trends from political profiles. Conservatives (mostly libertarians) tend to have more muscle mass, tend to have higher testosterone, and are more logical/analytic over empathizing, as well as being more independent over collective. Look it up, it makes sense too. Do you think Clint Eastwood in the good, bad, and the ugly would be more likely to be a libertarian or a socialist? lel

Perhaps, but what those ideologies are is different in different times and cultures. In Europe and the US, sure, conservatism attracts more manly guys on average while leftists do tend to be a bit more beta. But if you look at Latin America or Eastern Europe, hard-core leftism tends to attract macho-men as well. And their leftism is certainly different, in attitude at least, from modern Western leftism. (Not saying that their right wing is beta, they're certainly not, just that their leftists tend to be more macho.)

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yeah and even within Western countries. Think about the Democrats in Midwestern states versus Democrats in New York. Or in the UK Labour party voters up North versus Labour voters down south. I'm sure there's parallels everywhere.
The thing to remember though is that supporting a party isn't the same as being ideologically Left or Right wing. You might vote for the Socialist party because you're in a situation when it would benefit you, but you still might have a right-wing mindset.

Havent read it
But that is one of Donovans flaws, besides the sometimes cringeworthy tribe rituals
He doesnt include much about relations with females and marriage in his work because hes a pirate

Although, Donovan is a good example for a man who does manly shit yet being more of an intellectual

essentially, yeah. as a full homo myself, some of his ideas are a bit cringeworthy, but do have some merit.

for example, he refuses to use the word "partner" or "boyfriend" to describe his lover, and instead uses "compadre" because he believes using the former two are adhering to a leftist social construct of gayness whereas the latter doesn't. he thinks the modern zeitgest of "gay" is attempting to co-opt and bastardize the heterosexual lifestyle, which doesn't apply properly to a union between two men, as it forces one into the role of the submissive or feminine instead of embracing the masculinity of both.

likewise, he doesn't really support gay marriage because the institution was made to support a family structure and secure the safety and needs of the woman, neither of which are needed in a gay relationship. while i personally believe dudes should be able to get married if they want to, i do agree with him that the idea of a man getting down on one knee for another man to be a bit bizarre, and feels inherently emasculating for both parties. keep in mind he's not lambasting gay relations altogether, but thinks that a gay relationship is inherently different between that of a man and a woman and even two women, and to treat them all the same is fallacious.

his main theme of androphilia is rejecting this modern idea of gayness being the shunning of masculine ideals and embracing of feminine ones, but also decries the superficial pseudo-masculine culture of the straight metrosexuals and gay subcultures like bears, claiming they're basically parodies of the masculine ideal and not truly masculine.

basically, he's a traditionalist conservative who romanticizes manual labor and just so happens to like man ass.

if you have to read books on how to be a man, you're not one. Lol.

True, but this is still within Western culture and with those associations - you think of conservatism as tough so you think of Clint Eastwood as a conservative because he's though.

But take someone from another culture with other associations; like my dad loves Eastwood movies, but he grew up in old Yugoslavia so his association was probably with people like Fadil "The Spaniard" Jahic or Sava Kovacevic or any other of the bad-ass partisan Communist warheroes who's wildly exaggerated escapades he learned about in school. An older latino might think of someone like Pancho Villa or Emiliano Zapata.

My point exactly. Today's Western leftists are numale betas for the most part. But older leftist used to be pretty "violence-and-bloodsheed"-oriented; even if one hates their beliefs, one can't claim they where the same as today's effiminate liberal.

>UK Labour party voters up North
Oh yeah, absolutely. Used to live in Manchester myself so I know first-hand. Same with some Irishmen. They're leftists of the "I'm a miner who drinks and fights a lot" sort.

Sounds more like the first recorded case of autism

>tfw in that story I'd just be one of the mindless drones that Jack shits on every day until I kill myself

I think this is the best answer in the thread. Simple, but each point can take a lifetime of work and dedication.

Since that is somewhat the perspective im looking forward to, what do you guys would suggest:
I have to decide between keeping on studying BWL/economics or
throwing it all down and joining the military

Either way, my life sucks right now and somthing has to change

Im somewhat torn between these two options since keeping on studying would be the seroius option, making career, earning money and shit
But i always dreamed of being a soldier

What would Conan do?

lol join the military obviously. We're in peace time so I would suggest Navy or Air Force. Respect to the other branches and all, Army is decent because there are so many jobs, but everyone I know says don't even think about Marines, including other Marines lel. I'm joining the Navy myself.

It's just 4-6 years of bullshit with some fun on the side. Put your money into a savings account, take advantage of certifications and things like that, learn some technical skills, get lots of benefits, do a bit of traveling, and it's a done deal. Doesn't sound so bad to me.

The good news is everything you do translates over to college, depending on your schooling and credits earned. I mean it's basically made for people like you and me, "my life sucks right now and I want something to change".

Join the military. My younger brother was miserable in college so he dropped out of college last year and joined the marines. Now he's in Recon training and seems super happy. He says he regrets not finishing college and becoming an officer but I remember how shitty he was in college so I doubt he would've been able to finish. His plan is to go back to college and become an officer so he can be a pilot then become an astronaut.

Just do what you want, but have a plan to provide for yourself.

Then its done, im gonna apply next week
Im from germany, so no Marines
Thanks guys

>plucked a chicken
>plug a chicken
lel, that's how memes are born.

Nice, good luck m8! Hopefully we'll work together one day to fight ISIS or China in the coming WW3.

If he only knew "compadre" is spanish for "comarade". But, alas, commiesweren't particularilly feminine. I love the concept of masculinity, but not when it "has" to mean superiority over femininity.

retard

>build a wall
ARE YOU KIDDING ME
LITERALLY HITLER

this guy's a parody too

Shieet, didnt think I'd see DK in Veeky Forums
Good song choice, op.
And I think a real man shouldnt be a vapid selfie whore.

In the same way most modern western leftists aren't very masculine, most modern western conservatives neglect plenty of intellectual positions.

Environmental conservatism is somehow now a leftist and feminine pursuit. Literally protecting your land, cultivating it, preserving it for future generations somehow is scorned by most conservatives. How do you expect to hunt, fish, or farm if you fuck up your land?

Sure, doing the right thing for the environment you live in can be economically costly or difficult. It's really fucking easy to dump a bunch of shit into a river and let that be someone else's problem in the same way it's really easy to eat a bunch of garbage, become morbidly obese, and then ask for government benefits because you can no longer work or take care of yourself.

>Specialization is for insects.
I don't get it. That's almost exactly the job of most social insects. They build, harvest, plant, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, the can butcher hogs, they cook, invade, defend. The only limitations to what you just stated in regards to (social) insects is tecnology.

>-Lose your virginity
>-Get a real job/earn your own money and be self-sufficient
>-Bench above 220lbs/100kg

bait the thread

Read this thread and the think about averange Veeky Forums age.

Middleschoolers general

The only way you'll be able to know if you're a real man is if you get addicted to heroin and quit cold turkey. Only a real man can do that.

A real man can stand in front of God.

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>the approach to go back to the basic survival functions of masculinity
Literally retarded. Here's a reality check: we are far beyond just basic survival instincts. Just being physically strong doesn't cut it. Females want a man who can own his environment, but now that means being socially strong, and making money gains. Girls don't give a shit about aesthetics past internode, they don't care about PRs in any lift or sport. That's just a nice extra.

>internode
Meant ottermode

Do men only exist in relation to women? Can a man exist in a vacuum?

Embrace your own masculinity. Engage in risk taking behavior, maintain fitness, have a group of male friends to fulfill your social needs and don't hang out with large groups of women other than at parties or bars.

Ironic shitposting is still shitposting

>everything I do is for the approval of women
>I have no goals that I want to achieve except to desperately gain recognition from women

Frustrated cuck: The post

What board makes these images?

Sci fi novels are good you fucking harkonen faggot. Piss off to Vogsphere and read nothing but school textbooks you no fun shitter

HEIGHT, FACE and FRAME all of which CHAD has in ABUNDANCE and YOU do not

Niggers are all cowards

I'd guess lit

But idk

I quit cigarettes and porn
apparently it's harder
unlike my dick

Thats a waste of time and only for guys who would never go far in life, anyway. Kiss a good specialized job goodbye (architect, veterinarian).

>inby mu honor, muh guns, muh manly drag through da mud

god doesn't real senpai

I would say not caring about checking off some arbitrary self-imposed criteria

But remember that they also have a unique story just like the other characters. Sure they properly get shit from their boss but they might have a great marriage, passionate hobbies, fantastic friends etc.
I think the another point to the story is that it is not completely one dimensional and no one is just one seeming thing.
I don't know you but I'm sure you also have things going for you, just like everyone else, despite how you feel about yourself.

>I don't know you but I'm sure you also have things going for you, just like everyone else, despite how you feel about yourself.

Nah, I know that guy. He is a total loserfaggot and should just off himself

This guy is right

But you are right in that I have something, which is lifting

What helped me the most was an awful lot of safety courses I took, but also simple manager work. Example of a task, and my train of thought:
>someone sees me about something that's fucked
>find out how it matters (will production be hampered, will we need to call in temps, does something need repairing...)
>(this is likely where you panic) analyse the issue, maybe together with someone else, and stake out the best course of action
>perform the action(s) you thought of in the previous step
>it doesn't work (never does)
>return to step 3 and improvise until issue has been rectified
>if you're a pencil pusher, make it look nice on paper and file a report, if not go back to mending the hydraulics on the tractor trailer because the fucking Polacks always manage to kick it asunder.

You're an idiot. Being a man means not being a bitch. It's not fucking complicated.

DIS

Try to quantify masculinity into any certain task is a futile way of looking at the concept itself. If you look at it that way then what inevitably happens is guys get in a pissing contest over who can chop wood the fastest of fuck the most girls. Also, masculinity can take on many different forms, from the warrior to the pious monk.

I would say that masculinity is a mindset, that of a leader of society. If you follow your testosterone, gut instincts and unique personality it will inevitably lead you towards some sort of conquest, whether that be martial arts, providing for your family or making beautiful works of art.

In other words, it isn't any certain "thing" you do, masculine energy is the driving force behind it. Try not to put the cart before the horse.

Da fuq

gotta be a national socialist white supremacist who is over 200lbs

Real men don't exist anymore in my opinion, my idea of manliness is to be free from societies shackles and still prevail.

The way I see it is that we live shackled by society and community life, do a little experiment yourself user, every day you feel like doing something but you can't because you have to work or it'd be frowned upon by society you do a little note on a calendar. Do it for a month and you'll find out why everyone is depressed and why you can never be a real man.

Picrelated or better AND be socially functional. That's baseline. Everything else depends on your situation/environment and the choices u make.

I just figured this poem will be quite relevant to the thread

If...
Rudyard Kipling

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;

If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;

If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with wornout tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;

If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings - nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;

If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run -
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!

Really, I think being manly is just having basic sense of manners and self-respect, and able to hold his own in socially tense situations.

>a real man

when will this meme die?

>But I want some modern examples of achievements a real man must reach to be considered one by you guys
OMFG you're such a gigantic faggot.
>I have to suck everyone else's DICK before I feel like 'a man'
You're a man when you SAY you're a man, you useless jizz-licking little cunt, and anyone that disagrees with you gets punched in the nose, THAT'S THE WAY IT IS.

Now get out of here, you disgust me, Nu-male.