ECA Stack

Just started day 2 of an ECA stack, Any advice or experiences on it?
Does l-theanine help? Do I take as much as I take aspirin?

how in the world did you get that bronk? need to jump through any hoops?

The picture is from Google Images, but it was relatively easy to purchase.
I'm in the US. I just literally walked into Walgreens and asked the Pharmacist for Bronkaid. She scanned my ID and that was it.

I still don't get it. A nasal decongestant inhibits appetite?

It's the Ephedra and Caffeine working in conjunction with each other to boost metabolism levels.

right and the ID part I assume is to keep tabs on the frequency of your visits. is that put in a database so if you visited another walgreens they know you purchased a box, say last week, and refuse to sell it?

Primatene has more active ephedrine than bronkaid.
Don't take aspirin, it's not needed.

hotnfit.com for any other questions

Fuck mane. I took 12mg and 100mg yesterday and my heartrate was high as fuck during the night. I dont drink any coffee or soda at all so i think it may have been the caffeine but idk. I might try again tomorrow. Hows your heart feel on it?

There's a limit to how many grams of meth-precursors you can buy per month. It's pretty high though and you shouldn't have issues.
It's not hard. But do not take EC if you're trying to lose 50+lbs; that's just asking for a premature death

>do not take EC if you're trying to lose 50+lbs; that's just asking for a premature death

if you're on it too long you mean?

I'm trying to lose 15, and i do cardio and HIIT, what do you think?

>Primatene has more active ephedrine than bronkaid.
No

Not the guy you responded to but If you do cardio and HIIT i wouldn't recommend doing an EC stack, at all. You want to avoid that actually.

bullshit and you know it. fuck off

Someone never took general chemistry.

One is ephedrine sulfate and one is ephedrine HCl. Therefore mg for mg they have different quantities of the active compound which is ephedrine. Don't be retarded

Personally I think it's a bad idea to mix cardio with stimulants, but that's up to you. EC does wonders without even changing your diet much if you weren't heavily bulking beforehand.

I'd just keep lifting and take EC, making sure to get enough protein and by 6-8 weeks that 15lbs should be gone. Maybe sooner if you do HIIT

Ephedrine Sulfate is Molecular mass is =428.54* which is based on it's C20H32N2O6S. there are 2 Ephedrine molecules per sulfate ion
Which means that the base ephedrine is around 77%

Ephedrine HCl: Molecular weight is 201.69. with 1:1 ratio of ephedrine to hcl
-therefore free base ephedrine is around 81.9%

25mg of Ephedrine Sulfate (Bronkaid) has around 19.3 grams of ephedrine
25mg of Ephedrine HCl (Primatene) has around 20.5 grams of ephedrine

But since Primatene pillsonly have 12.5g of ephedrine hcl, it takes 2 pills of Primatene to basically be the equal of one bronkoaid pill.

Yeah if you don't take caffeine regularly it'll go straight to the dome. Your heart is going to be fine. Reduce the caffeine portion as it's what makes you jittery.

You'll be able to ramp up to 20 mg ephedrine easily just go slow on the caffeine. The does isn't dangerous. Maybe half it until you get used to it. You will not have a heart attack.

thanks for the science
Always felt weir taking three 8 mg eph pills (24 mg total) just to hit 20 mg. Turns out the math is right.

How many times do I have to post on here NOT to abuse ephedrine? Holy shit.

The withdrawals are fucking horrible, the addiction is real, and longterm abuse is life threatening (moreso than meth or amphetamines) DO NOT ABUSE EPHEDRINE
stupid assholes

post ECA stack info for beginners

define abuse please. I took it for 3 months, had no problem stopping taking it at all, I would say I had mild headaches for 2-3 days and that was it as far as withdrawals were concerned, the withdrawals from the caffeine were far worse I'd say.

I have the image somewhere but can't find it, here have this while I track it down

found it

30mg-120mg a day for over a month. If you can stick to low dose each day, then maybe you'll be fine, but ephedrine has an extremely high potential for chronic high-dose abuse without even realizing you're doing grievous bodily harm.
Additionally, it fucks with your emotions, heart rate, and sex drive, though again it's subtle and you don't really notice it while you're on the ride.

Ephedrine is just such a dirty underhanded piece of shit drug. I did not realize it was so fucking damaging until after I stopped taking it.

Jesus thats a high stack

there must be a lower one

What if I already consume 500-750mg caffine/day from coffee?

Obviously I will stop it and only take the caffeine pills, but as for my tolerance?

didn't mess with my mood at all and I'm very conscious of my mood since I have a diagnosed mood disorder (bipolar) but the sex drive fell off a cliff. I couldn't get a boner when I wanted one, although I was physically capable still since I woke up with wood occasionally. I hated the rush it would give me though, the first hour after taking it I felt like I used to feel when I'd take coke when I was younger. I agree it's nasty stuff but keeping it under 45mg per day shouldn't be a problem IMO.

Lots of water and fiber.
After a while of my usual diet EC made me constipate easier.
Aspirin not really that good long term, stomach and maybe kidney damage.
Take some fish oil if you want for blood pressure health

Yeah I took two doses of 15mg per day, each with 200mg of caffiene. I'm this guy and wouldn't feel comfortable going much higher than that. I took a 30mg dose a few times to try it out and felt fucked.

The fuck?

I've ran multiple EC stacks at 75 mg ephedrine daily. No cravings, no withdrawal.

Maybe I just have the willpower of a god

People have different reactions to addiction.
I can live off of caffeine for a while then cut it immediately with no negatives, most would at least get a headache.
Best not to test that ability like lmao gonna try heroin to see if I dont get addicted

that's a lot of caffeine user. Ephedrine is a completely different drug, you will not have a high tolerance to it just because you have a high tolerance to caffeine, although you will be able to handle your stims better than someone that doesn't consume as much as you.

replace that with >people have different reactions to drugs

first rule of any CNS drug is the dose/response curve is different for every person

>I would have noticed any subjective brain damage

Maybe you guys came out of it completely fine, I hope you did. I just know that I've basically derailed my life doing this shit and I only realized what had happened after reading tons of other people having the same side effects from ephedrine abuse.

Sulfate and HCL have very minimal differences you cuck. Primatene is also double the price per dosage

Just drink enough water, I go off and on every 6 weeks or so, and it's not really all that intense, you just won't feel hungry while getting a decent metab boost. It's definitely not a miracle like DNP or even Clen, but it helps and is stupid easy to aqcuire. Cheap too.

I only do EC, FWIW. Asprin has been shown to have minimal to no benefits over just EC, plus that shit is bad for your intestines especially at daily dosages.

well I took lower than the recommended dose for about 10 weeks, with 2 one week periods in the middle where I didn't take it. If you abused it then of course you damaged yourself with it but taken sensibly it's not going to fuck you up. That being said I think it's nasty and won't be taking it again despite the fact that it made my cut easy as hell and I have no negative side effects from it.

>experiences on it

I did just an EC stack for a couple months a few years ago because everyone I asked about it told me not to fuck with aspirin. My energy levels were obviously higher, and I was sweating a fuckton, but that's about it. The extra fat loss wasn't negligible, but I'd say I was only burning maybe 300 extra calories a day.

The weirdest thing is what happened to my dick. Rather than getting stimdick, I gained the ability to have multiple orgasms. Weirdest thing. When I would masturbate while on the stack, I could have one and sometimes even two orgasms before I actually ejaculated.

>Any advice

Keep your potassium levels high.

I just really don't think ephedrine should be recommended at all on this board. Again, maybe you got away with it, but it has a 3-4 day per week minimum use on the box for a reason. It's extremely neurotoxic.

Even at lose doses I've seen people report that it has made them sleepy after a so many weeks of abuse. The moment the ephedrine makes you sleepy is the moment you've done permanent brain damage. The fact that there's no way to predict when you'll hit this point is the reason I think it should be avoided at all cost.