/fraud/

Is 3-4 isolation(arms-shoulders-chest-back) work out days alright for a cut.

Feels like doing more than that (each workout's a little over an hour) is kinda counter productive on a cut.

>doing legs
>EVVVVERRRRR

No...bimbo nooooooooooo

Bimbo I know she's your oneitis
but she has a massive unattractive bitch face
you could do way better

How troll would it be to send Dbol as Letro?

>Some poorsap grows every bigger boobs instead of losing them

what happened to bimbo

>go to bed at 12:30
>wake up at 3:15 AM
>freezing cold from windows being open, but drenched, I mean literally sopping wet from sweating
>close all the windows
>lay back down on bed, realize it's too wet, turn on the light
>literally a POOL of sweat on the bed, not metaphorically, but a literal pool of sweat has formed in the middle of the bed
>lay on the ground with a new dry pillow

20 minutes later

>freezing cold but starting to warm up slightly
>fresh pillow that was just dry is now soaked all the way through
>blanket is 200% soaked
>the fucking carpet is so wet it's soaked all the way down to the padding
>fall asleep in office chair with towel underneath me and legs propped up on desk
>finally able to sleep

I think last night might have been my last day at 1g; this is too fucking ridiculous.

a-at least I woke up 2.2lbs lighter r-right?

Like 3 weeks out or so and still have 6 lbs to make weight.

Hopefully I can lose a majority of it in water.

Biggest fear is not making weight but at least I'll still be able to compete in classic.

I want to do both though.

Anyone have experience cutting water? Tips?

im pretty sure that in this situation it might be entirely water but by the end of today it will increase to like 3-4 and that would be true wheight loss. but to early to tell since you pooled part of your body on the bed, remeber 1 gallon of water is 8lbs.

what would you go down to ?

sleep in sauna

cutting salt(duh), saran warping around key spots and wearing it under your cloths all day, medical water pills, drinking prune juice so you shit out what you might've eaten and the classic wrestler diet of eating celery only 3 days before because its practically zero calories.

the wrestlers know how to cut weight ask them

I doubt it's entirely water; I'm retaining water like a motherfucker. Looking horribly bloated.

I've been waking up 1.5-2.5lbs lighter every day steadily since the first day of 750mg. Would probably go back down to that and if the nights are still unbearable, which they shouldn't be *as* bad, drop to 500.

Length of run won't change, Sunday is last day.

well i normaly count it as wheight loss after 3 days of early morning wheigh in's

but thats pretty steady.

Do you think 6 lbs in water is very doable?

I'm planning to cut carbs out completely the week before the show then slowly introduce them back in a day before or so.

I'm worried that if I drop too much water and carbs I'll end up looking flat but I'm not sure how the weigh ins work in accordance to the show.

My first show so I suppose I'd weigh in and then I could carb up and not worry about weight?

depends on how long you got ?

6lbs with seran wraping around your stomach/legs would make you lose plenty of water in those areas if your willing to wear it all day that is.

is the wheigh in the day before or the day of ? if the day of then you fucked if the day before than it would be easy as shit to get to that wheight.

prune juice has maganse and its a powerful laxative if you take plenty of it. your gonna stomach will look much leaner becuase of not having any food solid or other wise in your stomach.

if you have 1 week then its easy anything less than that and your fucked

you are deep down the rabbit hole already (saw your stack)
why dont you just take DNP too

meant to say if its the day of then itd be hard to get the carbs you need to get full if the day before then you could get to that by overloading dextrose and gatorade no fucking problem.

I have about 3 weeks to lose another 6 lbs.

Currently at 230. Cut off is 224.

I was trying to get down to 226 before I lost the water so I can have a little wiggle room. Ideally I want to be at 226 then drop another 6-10 lbs of water and get to 220ish or 218ish.

well your good just be sure to check "making wheight" in the various MMA/boxing/wresteling/martial arts websites that exist.

btw you look juicey so good for you and good luck

I would but the sources I trust and go through don't carry it.

I may be deep in the rabbit hole but I tend to stay away from things that can actually do harm if they are overdosed.

Sure I'm on a bunch of juice but I could inject a whole vial and not die. I can't say the same for DNP.

Too much and you're fucked.

Thanks man.

I tend to overthink when I get close to things like this that cause me anxiety.

I'm ready for bulking season to start so I can go back to not starving. Even though I still want to maintain a relatively lean physique and clean diet.

TL:DR
fourhourworkweek.com/2008/01/18/how-to-cut-weight/

Epson salt baths also help quite alot but ive never done them to make weight.

It's so funny you linked this. I'm listening Tim ferris' audiobook the 4 hour work week.

He mentioned that is how he won a championship belt in a martial art after only training 6 months.

He cut a shit ton of weight and exploited the knock down rule since he was so much heavier. He disqualified his opponents by knocking them out of the circle or whatever 3 times in a row.

ayyy I made the op while I was drawing my test this morning

>took viagra & then worked arms like a madman
>couldn't shower properly

Why do guys like Jeff Seid have a body that looks 100 times better then pic related?

I mean they both carry a lot of muscle and have low bodyfat, why does jeff for example look so much better?

Is it all about the insertions? Not trying to hate bro.

frame, height, insertions

cutting water wheight sucked, last time i had to cut wheight for anything i lost 10lbs in 2 weeks while only eating 3 cans of tuna, i might do it again just to short cut myself to the size that i need to be at.

take all my advice with a grain of salt but ive had plenty of luck with seran wraping and prune juice so it might help you if you havent done it before

no its not all about insertions.
I think insertions are just most important for chest and abs.

its also about training the body to make it as asthetic as possible.

There are muscles that need the right size to look good.

few examples in my opinion.

>huge rear delts look shit
>side delts shouldnt pop too hard, when they start looking comical
>huge front delts are a must
>biceps should be medium size, but triceps should be xbox huge with all 3 heads very developed
>forearms. Everyone seems to neglect fucking forearms
>huge glutes and hamstrings look fucking retarded, quads should be the dominant leg muscle check out matt ogus why.
>huge lat, small teres major = bad combo
>lower traps = crucial af in my opinion
Also jeff has much much better abs than ghandi.

Seriously this may sound retarded, but after observing a lot of people and their bodys, i came to my own idea of how muscle groups should be sculpted and what size they need.
Since then, i got so much more asthetic than before. Like seriously much more asthetic.

But otherwise, yes insertions play a big role

It's proportion.

He's got a super tiny waist and broad shoulders.

I have broad shoulders but also big hip bones.

I also have shit abs and never work them out (starting to now).

My body type is more optimized towards a fat powerlifter mode/strongman mode.

I hope my abs will get better if I work them out.

We also have to take into account photography skills.

I've seen some shots of Jeff that make him look like he doesn't even lift. Then he has professionally shot photos that make him look waaaaay bigger.

changed my mind im gonna cut 30lbs and be try fighting again as a light heavy wheight fighter.

time to go low carb again. shouldnt be hard ive got a solid means of doing so. and with the new workout that im doing i should still see gains while losing wheight. might do a short 2 week intense cut then ease my way into it.

swollens autism in regards to dnp scared me plenty.

you should do as much work as you can recover from, sometimes more followed by a deload
yes even on a cut

>Do you think 6 lbs in water is very doable?
chris duffin dropped 35 lbs of water before a competition once

>I've seen some shots of Jeff that make him look like he doesn't even lift.

pic related.

i think he was natty back then though, defo isnt anymore.

u think alot, but u dont think clever

You do you dood. Good you're cleaning up your life.

Yes, I'm so leftist. I'm for small government, small business opportunity, capitalism, gun rights, and personal freedom above anything that doesn't infringe on anyone else's freedom.

If we're being honest based on that alone I'm more conservative than most republicans.

Who's the cuck now, cuck boy? Not my fault you can't see the logical fallacy I pointed out.

Awww. Get a motorcycle dood, teaches you how to drive manual pretty well and easy desu. Can't help about the night terrors, I get those every blue moon I guess.

France 3 mos>Spain 6>France again 3 mos>Italy 6 mos>Germany 6mos>Switzerland 6 mos then I'm making my way to Sweden through Russia and surrounding countries to stay with some close friends. After visiting das nederland I'm making my way to glorious nippon land, Nz, and other areas around there one way or another, staying out of the north UK, Africa, and most of the 'stans.

That's my only plan rn.

And it's more than 3.75 weeks, plane ticket isn't scheduled until late feb.

I'M TRYING DOOD, the program I'm using is being gay and not moving the cutouts and I haven't figured out why.

>dyel detected

should have waited for vacations to use dnp

I'm already feeling a cold coming on, I'm guessing dnp is raping my immune system

and I just want to sleep all day

There was a good water weight losing tip that I saw from a pro boxer once. He did something like 1 liter of water, day 5, 3/4, day 4, 1/2, day 3, 1/4, day 2, then nothing at all day of. If you need to lose more hit the sauna and eat some dandelion root extract. I usually cut 5-6 lbs in the sauna through straight dehydration for wrestling weigh ins.

The trick is to go from a lot of water intake to none by the time of competition. Pretty standard for all weight class sports TBQH.

Or maybe it was a gallon instead of liter, liter sounds like too little. I can't remember if he was a europoor or American.

Even in amateur they will kick your ass so hard in light heavy weight.
Because of you are 5'11.
Btw I am the boxer user from one of the previous threads.

fuck forgot about height and frame advantages most of those dudes are 6'2-65

yeah gonna go lower

Average for lhw is 6"1'-6"1.5'

Even at welters it kind of sucks with the height advantage most have on me, but I make it work desu.

But to get to average for 5"11' you'd have to be just above welters at 145 lbs. that kind of a cut would SUCK for you, desu and you'd look like the ultra skinnyfags who are amateur boxers.

that pic is taken after this one

well fuck might just train to fight and get sparing in at 200lbs and not compete then.

i could do middle wheight but id be losing out on my separate athletic goals of being a mix of strong/endurance.

well thanks for the info i havent fought since i was 155lbs at 15yr would be hellish cut now, id have to lose alot of muscle on my legs and ass to do so.

well not sure if you are trying to argue, but this just further proves mine and ghandi's point

how much u on / weight?
>ez achievable natty in one y!!

im just trying to argue the fact that he was natty in that pic

well i dont think it works that way.

The pic i posted, is natural. No tricks, no tanning, no lighting, no angle, no shopping. Just the way he is. So my pic is the real deal, yours is "enhanced".
That pic proves ghandis point, where Jeff looks fucking in sane on some pictures but he actually isnt. He looks good, but not as good as your pic.

If Jeff looked like your pic (which he doesnt, look at mine for reference) back then, then yes he defo a fraud.

Again, this is the real deal But as i said, Jeff isnt natty anymore and you can see it very clearly in his latest videos. And also on his nips lmao.

yes im autistic

>lose alot of muscle on my legs and ass

Yup. Welcome to my physique.

Go train at a gym dood, it's still fun and a good workout, plus practical application for mascle.

of course he doesnt look as he does in a studio but it was pretty obvious that he shrunk down quite a bit before your pic was taken
he is an ifbb pro in your pic, just to remind you
he went off cycle, as simple as that

If you believe in your talent you can go full mike tyson and go lhw.

Any of u fags smoke?

What is a reasonable percentage of alcohol to minimize PIP?

My friend just acquired some 300mg/ml test-e and it contains 2% benzyl alcohol. Seems a little high to me (for 300mg/ml) but I'm not exactly experienced with this.

4KITS IS DOWN
Wat do

DId I miss Swollen Glands posting a progress pic or did he pussy out again?

that i dont but thanks for the input

Whats a good starting dose for mast? I've heard 1:1 with tren is a good combo but im on 800mg. Tossing in an extra gram seems like a fucking stupid idea.

You're on 800mg of what?

tren

i feel like the ratio isnt very important
500 would probably be more than enough, depends on what sides you are prone to really

no.
i like weed sometimes tho, like once a month

400 is personally my sweet spot.

Well I don't really know anything about your advancement and such but if 800mg of tren (and I assume a decent amount of test) isn't doing it for you you might want to look at your diet and training before you start pinning more gear.

whats even the point of doing anything other than test?

why, just why? You can get fucking big with test alone, why would you risk potential other sides by taking other compounds.

Test makes you big, it gives you vasularity, it makes you look full on low bf.

Everyone fucking around with all these compounds the fuck

everybody has different aesthetic goals and those other compounds tend to give you just that.

high test can give worse sides than other compounds for some people

>being this delusional

2 persons with the same genetics and the same muscle mass are going to look absolutely the same apart from some minor things that no one gives a fuck about, even when one is taking test only and the other runs 5 compounds all at once.

>different goals
i really doubt this faggot wants to compete.

I think he runs all this shit because he looks dogshit on test alone because he is a fucking failure so he just keeps adding compounds and upping the dose and hopes that will work out.

>TRIGGERED

...

Yeah you guys definitely put my mind at ease. I'm actually going to increase my caloric intake slightly since I know I can drop the water weight a lot more than i thought.

>being this delusional

NO NO NO, you see here steriods do have different affects on the body. masteron is a DHT derivative for fuck sakes, you cant possibly think that different compounds wont do different things when mast is literally a different hormone than testosterone, he would still need test as his base but with higher basicly modifed DHT levels he would see much more different results than he would without the compound added.

even if hypothetically the androgenic/androgen ratio was the same for doseing if the test magically converted to DHT enough to fill that gap, which it fucking wont 100% of the time. shit even creatine barely does it with little success for those who are responders to it.

The tren is definitely doing it for me but mast seems like it would be even more useful for the look I'm going for. No reason not to try some out.

where are you even getting this information yo? I have a high sensitivity to estro so I try to run shit that doesn't touch it with a low test base.

If you really think all steroids are the same you gotta go back to Biology 101

carbs make you hold water weight more so due to glycogen storage being saturated, so id recomend it be in fat content. itll decrease your hunger because of saitey and it taking less of a hit on your insluin levels than carbs would. obv eating more meat would be ideal

fucking mirin hard. You look insane

How did you get that shredded, i am curious

WHY DO YOU STILL COMPARE OTHER PEOPLE THAT ISN'T YOU WITH PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD YOU UTTER HOMO

Fucking cringe get worse each ed over here

>butt he looks better
>he
>not me
>wizard
>zyzz
>cuck
fucking post your own pictures for once and try to btfo people with your own picture instead of yourself

Well if the tren is working for you I'd recommend sticking to it. Try your mast on your next blast/cycle and see how well it works. Then you can combine them with better knowledge of their sides alone.

Also you got trolled pretty hard by that guy.

That's the thing. If all you care about is lean body mass gain then you can just stick to test and have a good diet and eat at a surplus and grow.

However, drugs like mast, tren, and primo give distinct "looks" to the muscle. They promote that dry hard look that you can't get with straight test because of the water retention you get.

That's why competitors pull out test before the show but keep tren mast and all the other hardening shit.

Speaking from a cost/risk analysis point of view, there's very little reason to anything else besides Test. Maybe some deca added in if you're wanting a boost but still not necessary.

Its the funnier way of boxing.
Also it gives you more potential in streetfights,it makes your evasion and close punching godlike.
Try it man,you'll look huge and you'll be able to fight.

Ya dood, just watch your weight and drink linearly less water over the week before weighing. If you're above day before, hit the sauna naked and constantly towel off your sweat and keep weighing yourself until you're .5-1lb under. You got dis.

True. Imo mast gives me the best look, combined with low test. With test only i get really watery and look like shit

I never looked better than on mast + test. On test only i look like shit. Mast and i have that special kind of relation. NO BITCH GIVES ME THE SAME LOVE

Were you posting without your trip yesterday? Just curious.

Yeah if I eat 300g carbs I can easily gain a few pounds.

Thanks bro!
Started at cardio EOD 30 mins.
Now doing it 30 mins E/D, 1 hour on Sunday's.

Carb cycling between 300g to 150g carbs, keeping protein really high (350-400g) Fats at around 60g.

Usually get around 2750-2850 kcal a day.

I'm usually very hungry most of the time but I cheat Friday-Saturday.

I'm too close to competition to cheat though

I'll probably ramp up my calories to 3200 if I feel like I need it.

Yeah you have that very hard look. You could compete right now and do well desu. You'd kill it.

Woof I did not sleep well I kept waking up

im sure you'll do fine for the cut no problem

good luck brother post picks of the competion and your future steriod/diet/workout bulking plan.

tell us more.

Yeah that was me. I have tried to talk sense the faggots for ages. FUCKING GET THE RESULTS, or don't roid at all.

And they're also on dnp and still manage to be fat. because muhhh yoloo muhh zyzz mentality

I am doing 40 min cardio ED. I am also carb cycling, sort of. But i am not NEARLY shredded as you. I would like to have the same shreds as you.

What are you on?

When are you competing? keep me updated on your progress, you're one the few that looks like he roids over here. Mirin

I can't compete again the bbc, their genetics are superior to me

butt secks

I just got us a hotel since she was super sleepy. Slept like 11 hours.

any night terrors ?

Yeah a lot

never had them but what where they about ?

Mirin leg veins.
Sup dewd?

Honestly surprised me how you're so fucking based, masT. Mirin your new cbt pics too, your sides are looking more and more shredded.

Had a lot of respect for you before, and even more so now.

was the night terror about this ?
>Implying bimbo doesn't shove a beer bong tube up her ass, pour vodka down it, light it on fire as it goes down the funnel, through the tube and then into her butt then he shoves his tounge down the tube, into her butt, wiggle it around and then drink the vodka