B-b-but keto lowers performance!

>anecdotal evidence
Really gets the old noggin joggin'

...

>Why?
Look at the graph. Clearly higher cardiovascular performance using ketones vs using glucose.

But I'm even not talking about cuttan vs bulkan here. The meme spouted here with no evidence ever is 'keto = reduced performance'. I've produced an experiment with a set of honest results that challenges that claim. This post is about performance.

>You probably just eat like a sugar addicted fatass when your off keto.
No I don't. And plus, even if I did, wouldn't that increase my peroformance, if glucose is superior to ketones?
>I only started making good gains on my clean bulk when I lowered my fat and protein and up the carbs.
Good for you. I believe you. Doesn't invalidate my data, which is by far the best that I've seen presented on Veeky Forums with regards to the question.

Obviously there'll be slight variance day after day. But there's a significant difference between the keto vs non-keto days. Funny how you squinted your eyes to ignore the most obvious thing on the graph.

>doing 40+km in an hour
Clearly hypoglycemic.

>JUST NEED PROTANS BRAH
That's not even keto, you retard.

>results challenge my views
>better call them fake

Why don't you supply some hard data then? I have.

At least I've backed it up by data. Where's yours?

>results challenge my views
>better call them fake

>n=1 univariate self-report
The wewest lad

>Spend most of your time on keto
>Train mostly on keto
>Go off keto for a few cycles
wtf my performance lowered!

>my data
>hard data
>data

The plural of anecdote is not data, much less a SINGLE anecdote kiddo. Please don't use that word when you haven't even passed grade school.

Metabolic physiology major here.
Keto is bad for performance.
It's good for insulin resistance and good for an improved leptin response, and also for a bunch of other feedback responses.
It's a good diet, and the scientific community is split 50/50 on it, even with EXTENSIVE research done on it.

However, muscle performance is ABSOLUTELY dependant on glucose. Being glycogen depleted increases your 'fatigue rate'. Basically when you run out of glycogen your skeletal muscles stop functioning. You keep a small store going for about 4 hours, eventually exhausting the supply. Having less available from the get go is inherently counter productive for endurance performance (doesn't particularly affect 1rm lifting, it will affect 5rm and above)

>Basically when you run out of glycogen

How fast can that happen?

I conducted an experiment. Did the same activity 14 times. Everything constant, even down to the time of day. The only variable was the fuel in my blood. Glucose vs ketones. Then I put the results here in a clear graph.

You said
>>you'd have to be an actually mentally retarded person not to notice that everybody who does keto is shitty at what they do. nobody who lifts and does keto actually looks good
with no evidence, no data

Between you and me, who's spouting anecdotes and who's providing data?

You think not even having an undergrad degree yet is such an impressive qualification that it's worth mentioning? The delusion is real.

High fat diets like 'keto" induce insulin and leptin resistance. They actually MAINTAIN muscle glycogen but render it impossible to use for exactly this reason.

3-4 hours
This is total exhaustion
It means I've read the relevant literature and heard the opinions of doctors and research scientists that publish the papers you guys throw around on here.
Google that, fuckwit.

ergo-log.com/no-carbs-after-your-workouts-less-muscle-recovery-and-growth.html

LOL

>I'VE GOT A GRAPH THAT DOESNT EVEN HAVE ITS SAUCE SO WHAT I SAY IS TRUE
Fuck you,you retarded faggot.
I can show you a million of research's that animal products cause heart disease,increase in cardiovascular endurance can be obtained through training even while being on keto.
Retards like you should be executed.

I've done keto before and felt great, but that being said i don't believe it improves or degrades performance. Based on the graph, the two lines displayed to be lower which are "out of keto" follow an extended period of being in ketosis. Your body takes time to come back from that in which you'll feel lethargic and tired from carbing up. This chart is inconclusive evidence to if it is truly better or worse because of this. Perhaps do a month of statistics on and a month off separated by some time and compare. Might give you better results.

Also science tends to agree with this guy:
As he stated ketosis doesn't affect your 1rm too much making it ideal for Olympic lifters whom are only lifting their 1rm for a few seconds, not needing extended energy.

So: more insulin = better insulin resistance?

I guess I'll tell the 8 highly respected physiology PhD's and MDs that teach my course that someone on the internet who doesn't understand the hormonal pathways of leptin and insulin says they are wrong.

>tfw keto makes me get gout

>Somebody already religious about keto
>Thinks keto is better for everythin always
>Eats carbs, and already thinks to himself that its gonna be slow
>Mental capacity is at an all time low
>Performs worse
Wow it's nothing

Insulin resistance is bad, but that user can't describe why it is bad. He doesn't even know how insulin works apart from hurr durr highschool biology.

Keto increases insulin sensitivity, which is good. In prediabetics and actual type 2 diabetics this can reverse their condition and reduce instance of mortality. It's not good for people with specific types of hypertension though. Some people are predisposed to dysfunctional fat transport through the body, increasing chances of arteriosclerosis.

Why doesn't your graph have a legend? How the fuck do you even tell what it means? Theres just a bunch of lines with no assigned value

Now you think your shitty graph is an experiment? Let me laugh even harder. I don't understand how you're not embarrassed over all the retarded garbage you're posting, but I guess using the same reasoning we can conclude with certainty that your meme diet impairs self-reflective thinking,

>You said
I'm not even that poster, you mentally deficiency piece of shit. It takes less than 30 minutes to do a cursory review on pubmed, but evidently you're too impaired for that as well.

Not necessarily, if there's a concomitant insulinotropic stimulus for example. Better to look at relevant intracellular signaling for a given isomolar concentration of insulin. Here are some relevant papers

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19188683
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9916137
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25524913

another great factor to this whole mess seems to be "dietary cholesterol" and "hypersenstitives", which is the current scientific lore that tells us that some people react disproportionately to dietary cholesterol, and that science doesnt exactly know who it may be.

So if you go keto, obviously you are going to eat a lot of dietary cholesterol. Even if the insulin (in)sensitivity and the lore around pre-loading carbs for workouts (as it was proven here)

dont match up, you still have to deal with this hypersensitivity thing, which both vegeterians and non sponsored-by-animal-hugging-nu-males research seem to agree upon.

Cool projection. Did the crackpots at reddit university teach you that as well? To distract with shitflinging when you run out of arguments?

>examine.com/nutrition/will-eating-eggs-increase-my-cholesterol
>Right off the bat, there appears to be high interindividual differences. What happens to one person may not work for another, and you may experience an increase in cholesterol even if it is not the norm

The source is my recent performances. What would you like me to do, post my number and address on 4chens so you can come to my house to make sure I'm not cheating?

Yes I agree, this is far from a perfect data set. Your way of doing it would be far better. But someone else is gonna have to do that, because I love keto and I'm not interested in going back. I only went back to carbs on those days because I had to (fucking real life, reeeeeee). For what it's worth I didn't merely slip out of it, I think I properly filled up my glycogen so that can't be it.

But I already had this data, and so as imperfect as it is, it still challenges the typical meme wisdom spouted on here so I thought I'd really make you all think.

You sure it's keto in and of itself? Sure it's not a particular food that you could substitute?

Cycling.
If you know how to 'lift' a kilometer, pls tell us how.

>Experiment: noun 1 a trial carried out in order to test a theory, a machine's performance, etc or to discover something unknown. 2 the carrying out of such trials.

Sorry to break it to you senpai, but it does indeed seem to be an experiment.

Funny how everyone shitting on my one graph is producing zero graphs of their own. All they say is
>i could find studies (if i wanted to)!
>just go on pubmed bruh!
>everyone knows blah blah blah!
>just look!

It's a mutation of LDL transporters. Basically fats are non polar and need to be transported by a weird fat 'cell'. It's not a real cell, but it has a similar shape and phosoholipids (stuff that makes up a cell membrane)

What can go wrong is that these 'cells' can end up staying alive for far too long, long enough for the membrane to get weak enough to break apart. There are constant chemical reactions going on literally everywhere in the blood.
Cholesterol is important as fuck, but if these cells break apart and spill cholesterol everywhere in your blood it can oxidise and turn into goop that can sit on the ends of blood vessels, which triggers an inflammation response which ultimately makes things worse and crusty.

Other things can go wrong as well which result in the same situation
It's mutations and genetic disorders basically.

>my performance
You could just say 'I am a retard,dont reply to me'and it would be easier.
Your performance means nothing,one person means nothing,you need an actual research to prove something.
Its a bait,isnt it.
8/10

I shitflung because your little anecdote has no basis is science. If you understood the mechanisms behind insulin receptors and the pathology of insulin resistance you would realise what you said was stupid. It's like saying a flat tire results in less wear on a tire. It's the opposite.

n=1

fuck you

I got a feeling that I am often dwarfed by those who understand this even better than I do. But not for ill reasons, but rather attributed to the fact that some of this theory is still somewhat unknown.

If the vegetarian sites can give off so much awfully bad advice, it must mean that there isnt enough solid counter evidence for all of this.

I am not deep enough into the scientific lore to completely comprehend all of this, and thanks to this lack of consensus I am somewhat adrift on the middle between keto being bad, and keto being good.

Its quite annoying. So its nice to see someone who is more adept with all of this, perhaps even by trade to battle it out. Doesnt happen often enough though.

Docs and research scientists feel the same way. There's no real way to give advise that applies to everyone. Do what works for you, within reason and if your health allows it

well gee, thanks for confirming that this cesspit that is Veeky Forums is really no better than somekind of academy where people specialize on this thing.

Il probably never figure out now if keto could be good for long term usage.

True.
But still, data from 1 person > data from 0 persons, which is what you're providing.

Why don't you produce your own data to counter mine? All you're spouting is anecdotes and memes.

Don't worry, when you get Alzheimer's from a lifetime of sugar and insulin spikes, you won't even remember this thread ;)

Scientific squabbles about who is right or wrong generally has supporting evidence though

The main problem is the body has so many different mechanisms, so people can be right and wrong at the same time.

Dont worry, I still believe in the hypoglycemic index, and am basically terrified of simple carbs. Eat enough complex carbs though. Basically am on exactly the recommended, proper dietary standards, except for the industrial sugars.

I wonder if the shitskins are the ones who are hypersensitive, since we may have had enough time to adapt in europe, as we had chickens and eggs daily for a longass time.

Finding out who is more prone to be this hypersensitive would go a long way I reckon.

Nah, it's not really anything like that. There are some things you can trace to adaptation like alcohol metabolism and lactase enzyme expression, but buggered up fat transport is pretty universal. It's a product of aging mostly. Shit just goes wrong. A few incorrect nucleotides and your proteins that stick into the transporters are slightly 'weaker' or more dysfunctional than normal.

If anything curry munchers are more likely to have better fat transport since they survive on fats.

So just age? Not how much you spiked your insulin or anything else controllable?

>Sorry to break it to you senpai, but it does indeed seem to be an experiment.
Oh look, another word the meme dieter doesn't understand.

>Funny how everyone shitting on my one graph is producing zero graphs of their own. All they say is
Making a "lololol prov me wrong" thread and expecting to get spoonfed? Just how new are you? Random graphics taken out of context aren't exactly better methodology either. You should start here

Bergstrom, J., et al., Acta Physiol Scand, 1967. 71(2):p.140-50.
Christensen, E.H., et al., Scand. Arch. Physiol. 81:160-171, 1939.
Galbo, H. et al., Acta Physiol. Scand. 107:19-32, 1979.
Pitsiladis, Y.P. et al., The Journal of physiology, 1999. 517(Pt 3):p.919-30.
Starling, R.D. et al., Journal of Applied physiology, 1997. 82(4):p.1185-9.
Maughan, R.J. and D.C. Poole, Eur J Appl Physiol Occup Physiol, 1981. 46(3):p.211-9.
Greenhaff, P.L., et al. European journal of applied physiology and occupational physiology, 1987. 56(3):p.331-7.
Greenhaff, P.L., et al. European journal of applied physiology and occupational physiology, 1987. 56(4):p.444-50.
Greenhaff, P.L., et al. European journal of applied physiology and occupational physiology, 1988. 57(5):p.583-90.
Havemann, L., et al., 1k sprint performance. J Appl Physiol (1985), 2006. 100(1):p.194-202.
Havemann, L., et al., 4k sprint performance. J Appl Physiol (1985), 2006. 100(1):p.194-202.
O'Keeffe, et al. Nutr. Res. 9:819-830, 1989.

if any of these is behind a paywall, there also this pirated site

sci-hub.io/

pretty gret.

>hay guise, my anecdote proves science wrong!!

I did produce a graph you mongoloid

>I shitflung because your little anecdote has no basis is science.
I didn't post any anecdote. Your hallucination has no basis in reality. Why don't you go see a psychiatrist?

>If you understood the mechanisms behind insulin receptors and the pathology of insulin resistance you would realise what you said was stupid. It's like saying a flat tire results in less wear on a tire. It's the opposite.
More insults and projections? Template emotional shitposting right here. Thanks for admitting your defeat though. It's a shame insulin sensitivity isn't increased by the Dunning-Kruger effect.

You sure? Pajeets' diets seem pretty carb-heavy. Thick, rich curries are a luxury. Most people are too poor to afford that. The staples seem to be rice, wheat and veggies (plus 4 scoops of spices).

Unfortunately no.
It's mostly random, and difficult to diagnose.

Would explain why the local small doctors practices have these days where people can freely measure their cholesterol. Based purely on that fact what you just mentioned. Shits not nice.

So basically, you can go keto, but it would be recommended to have a cholesterol, LDL/HDL meter while you do it.

cycling the carbs for the workouts may also be smart.

Fats and carbs can break down and be built up to the same molecules with a reactions and enzymes

Cholesterol is a really 'basic' molecule. I was thinking all the ghee they put in everything, but yeah that was a luxury I guess.
I'm sure someone out there has done a study on various receptor expressions and ethnicity

Yeah blood cholesterol is pretty much the way to go, unfortunately gp's don't really know the acceptable values on keto and what to watch out for. The tests they send out to labs aren't comprehensive enough, and the docs don't really study why stuff happens, not unless they specialise.
Basically they see elevated cholesterol because of the diet, and they think it's because you're holding onto LDLs for longer, which is bad 'just because'.

when will we get cute AI gfs who understand pic related. All of this is so tiresome.

>The source is my recent performances.

You do realize that blinding is done in experiments for a reason. You probably went slower because you expected to, even if you weren't trying to deliberately mess up the results.

>unfortunately gp's don't really know the acceptable values on keto and what to watch out for.
What evidence do you have to suggest they would be any different that current guidelines, eg

eurheartj.oxfordjournals.org/content/37/29/2315.full.pdf

reading now through this, seems like a pretty good quality piece. Nice link, thanks.

Wanna specifically point out what you are trying to say? I don't want to reach through 74 pages to prove a point.

From what is known, keto raises cholesterol and LDL expression due to the change in energy substrate.
The healthy range is for people not on a specific diet. It's a false positive for a pathology that isn't happening. They assume with the raised levels it's because something has malfunctioned.
Gp's versed in nutritional and metabolic physiology will be more aware of these differences, but for the main part, it's too in depth for then to learn about. There are different medical fields for a reason. A gp is the bridge between the public and the various disciplines. Their job is very important, but they aren't universal specialists who know the theory of over 30 disciplines. You don't ask a gp to perform neurosurgery, or expect them to know the same amount as a neurosurgeon. You don't expect them to know the pharmacology of every drug in use. You don't expect them to be fully anatomically aware of every ganglia, muscle spindle or microvessel.

this piece is pretty great in understanding on how difficult and how well actual prevention of all of this is happening. Double worse odds for smokers though kek, and they also think that its still genetic, as they screen for family history? Fug.

You can probably get off keto now and perform the same.

>Bergstrom, J., et al., Acta Physiol Scand, 1967. 71(2):p.140-50.
This talks about how much glycogen is sitting in the muscles before and afterwards. It's got nothing to do with achievement. The 'protein + fat' group may not even be keto. Steak 3x a day =/= keto. Doesn't even mention ketones.

>Christensen, E.H., et al., Scand. Arch. Physiol. 81:160-171, 1939.
Dosn't even mention fat, just blabbers on about sipping sugar throughout exercise. No comparison.

>Galbo, H. et al., Acta Physiol. Scand. 107:19-32, 1979.
Again, low-carb doesn't necessarily = keto. 50:50 fat:protein =/= keto. There's no mention here of ketosis, ketones or ketogenic.

Also, what it's measuring also doesn't seem relevant. I measure how far I can go in 60 minutes. This is measuring how long they went at 70% vo2 until exhaustion, as a means to infer how much CHO was oxidised. Who cares? Even if muscle glycogen runs out, ketones can still fuel the muscle. I think you literally don't know what ketosis is, sonny.

>Pitsiladis, Y.P. et al., The Journal of physiology, 1999. 517(Pt 3):p.919-30.

Again, not mention of ketones, so the low-carb group might not even be ketogenic. And again, it's measuring how much glycogen was burned. Who cares? We're talking about distance, achievement here. Not some abstract bullshit. I can say "a ketone-burning individual burned more ketones than a glucose-burning individual!" Who cares what you burn, let's compare how far youn get when you burn different things. Petrol vs ethanol. Petrol vs electricity. Petrol vs diesl. Compare achievement.

The first 4 are already bullshit. I'm not going through the next 8. Do you have anything that specificaly compares
ACHIEVEMENT ON KETONES VS ACHIEVEMENT ON GLUCOSE?

>Everything consistent apart from the only variable...ketosis vs not-in-ketosis.
Did you know about this before cycling? If yes, then there's also the psychologic aspect, which can probably be far greater than ~4 km/h

Also, your graph looks pretty terrible, it implies that you cycled exactly 60 minutes every time, and that your speed was absolutely consistent each time for 60 minutes

Also, sample size

>Wanna specifically point out what you are trying to say?
>The healthy range is for people not on a specific diet. It's a false positive for a pathology that isn't happening.
Your assertion that ketogenic diets are special enough for normal acceptable ranges to not apply to them isn't documented in any CVD prevention guidelines I'm aware of. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, so please provide it.

> It's a false positive for a pathology that isn't happening. They assume with the raised levels it's because something has malfunctioned.
Something has malfunctioned though. Elevation in any population of atherogenic lipoproteins is on the causal pathway for disease.

circ.ahajournals.org/content/116/16/1832.long

>Gp's versed in nutritional and metabolic physiology will be more aware of these differences, but for the main part, it's too in depth for then to learn about. There are different medical fields for a reason. A gp is the bridge between the public and the various disciplines. Their job is very important, but they aren't universal specialists who know the theory of over 30 disciplines. You don't ask a gp to perform neurosurgery, or expect them to know the same amount as a neurosurgeon. You don't expect them to know the pharmacology of every drug in use. You don't expect them to be fully anatomically aware of every ganglia, muscle spindle or microvessel.
Quite the grandiose rant you got there, but basic heart disease pathophysiology is premed shit.

N=1

I tried a keto diet for a month and it wasn't for me. I felt unhealthy, never full, had low energy and my joints hurt all the time. My lifts barely increased but i felt horrible, always disoriented. Can't do it senpaitachi. I need carbs or I'll feel like shit

>You do realize that blinding is done in experiments for a reason.
I didn't look at my speeds/accumulated distance. Only glanced at the 15 min intervals to record.

>You can probably get off keto now and perform the same.
Yeah look what happened on the 4th of Nov.

>Did you know about this before cycling? If yes, then there's also the psychologic aspect, which can probably be far greater than ~4 km/h
Yes I did not before cycling when I was not in keto.

>Also, your graph looks pretty terrible, it implies that you cycled exactly 60 minutes every time
I did cycle for exactly 60 minutes every time

>your speed was absolutely consistent each time for 60 minutes
No it wasn't. Even with 4 plotted points, you can see they all curve upwards. E.g.in the last two times, I did
>first 15: ~9km
>second 15: ~10km
>third 15: ~11km
>fourth 15: ~11km

*Yes I did know

>Your assertion that steroids users are special enough for normal acceptable ranges to not apply to them
Shit changes user, there are a lot of things you can do to your body to make stuff outside the normal range. It is indeed a special case. CVD prevention guidelines are meant for a wide variety of people, but it's not meant for everyone.

If you want to talk about more 'natural' kinds of changes outside the norms, look at respiratory physiology research on adaption to high altitude, or look at research on bipolar disorders, GABA/serotonin expression etc.

Guidelines are general. I don't understand why you are debating this. Google-fu doesn't make you a student of medicine or physiology.

>I didn't look at my speeds/accumulated distance.

That's not what that means. You knew what your diet was at the time of each run. And for obvious reasons you can't blind subjects to their own diet, you can blind YOURSELF to which subjects are on which diet. But this isn't possible when you use yourself as a (and the only) subject.

I think keto is a very effective diet for fat fucks like me. If your in shape and can control your carb intake then try something else.

But as a fat fuck who has lost 25 pounds in two months and hopefully another 30 in 3 months I love this diet.

Crab with butter
Chicken wings with butter
Steak with butter
Eggs and bacon with butter.

I am always feeling full and I have beem lifting weights 7 days a week. Some days are heavy weight days others are light days it just depends on how I feel while at the gym.

(1) All of them have performance as either a primary or secondary endpoint. Your illiteracy is not my problem.
(2) Your low tier equivocation troll of what constitutes 'ketogenic' is not accepted by anyone in the exercise physiology community and doesn't have biological basis. If you want ketone biomarkers you back to

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6865776

where it's stated

>There are indications in the results of this study that the price paid for such extreme conservation of carbohydrate during exercise appears to be a limitation on the intensity of exercise that can be performed.

A)
>These results indicate that aerobic endurance exercise by well-trained cyclists was not compromised by four weeks of ketosis.
b-b-but I thought keto lowers performance?!

B)
Also, properly defining keto is not trolling. My whole point is comapring burning glucose vs burning ketones. Not necessarily eating them. Diet is just a way of getting there.

I'm not being pedantic. Ketosis only happens under strict conditions.

Simply eating low carb does bring on ketone production.
Even 'burning fat' does not mean ketones are being produced or burned.

If anyone here is a troll, it's you, because your posts indicate not even the slightest clue about what ketosis is.

>b-b-but I thought keto lowers performance?!
It does. Continue reading and get out of your safe space

>There are indications in the results of this study that the price paid for such extreme conservation of carbohydrate during exercise appears to be a limitation on the intensity of exercise that can be performed.

>Also, properly defining keto is not trolling. My whole point is comapring burning glucose vs burning ketones. Not necessarily eating them. Diet is just a way of getting there.
Study design to test such a thing would require infusion of isocaloric ketone bodies and glucose with concomitant depletion of other substrates. I'm not aware of such work ever being done, but there are various theoretical arguments (like reduced respiratory quotient, metabolite balance and flux) that still point towards the superiority of glucose.

>I'm not being pedantic. Ketosis only happens under strict conditions.
>Simply eating low carb does bring on ketone production.
>Even 'burning fat' does not mean ketones are being produced or burned.
>If anyone here is a troll, it's you, because your posts indicate not even the slightest clue about what ketosis is.
These are making your point more incoherent. Now you're additionally capped by maximal hepatic fatty acid oxidation rates.

Sample size = 1

Just reading your posts as a doctor enrages me. No one researched keto throughly after the advent of anti epileptic drugs. Small experiments create an environment for debate, but you're just debating semantics at this point. Instead of stifling a discussion why not just kill yourself. I have a bunch of professors with PhDs and MDs that will agree with my stance on your existence.

EXERCISE PHYSIOLOGY LMAO

>2016
>eating carbs

it's like you want diabetes

Your majoring in ExPhys? For your own sake please stop wasting your time and switch majors

Why would you need an infusion of ketone bodies? In nutritional ketosis, my liver is clearly producing enough on its own. Not even just for my exercise, but superior exercise performance against non-keto performance, as made clear in my OP. Whatever the bottleneck of the conversion rate of fatty acids to ketones may be, it's clearly not holding me back.

It's clear you're spouting recycled 'knowledge'. From textbooks, studies, your professors. Yet you can't produce any evidence on your own, like I have. Why don't you? Maybe your graph will show your keto 1hr bike performances much much lower than your non-keto 1hr bike performances. I'd take you at your word. But you don't even have any original work. All second-hand wisdom. You've been told what to 'know'. Sad!

Your sample size: 0
1 > 0

>tfw too poor to go on keto

Baww, did I trigger somebody? Hurt fee fees?

Tumblr might hand out faux medical degrees to Downs syndrome teenagers like you, but they still don't teach them toddler level vocabulary like "semantics" and 'throughly' I see :(

>Why would you need an infusion of ketone bodies?
To compare burning glucose to burning ketones without extraneous factors. Why are you mentally stuck in kindergarten?

>In nutritional ketosis, my liver is clearly producing enough on its own. Not even just for my exercise, but superior exercise performance against non-keto performance, as made clear in my OP. Whatever the bottleneck of the conversion rate of fatty acids to ketones may be, it's clearly not holding me back.
>It's clear you're spouting recycled 'knowledge'. From textbooks, studies, your professors. Yet you can't produce any evidence on your own, like I have. Why don't you? Maybe your graph will show your keto 1hr bike performances much much lower than your non-keto 1hr bike performances. I'd take you at your word. But you don't even have any original work. All second-hand wisdom. You've been told what to 'know'. Sad!
Yeah, just like '''evidence''' /x/tards shit out for alien abduction, succubus summoning, and meme magic. Sorry but unlike you I'm lacking the head trauma required for that psychosis.

>rapidly changing diet forcing your body to compensate
>thinking it won't affect your performance in some way

What a fucking retard

idk about performance but to recover from lifting, carbs are way more useful than just fats and protons.

Ah forget it, I don't want to argue with you any more. My stored away autism is reemerging, haha. Peace, friendo.

(Meme magic is real though)

>You sure it's keto in and of itself? Sure it's not a particular food that you could substitute?
It seems like it, every single time I go ultra low carb I eventually get a flare up of gout.
Everything is smooth sailing if I just eat a balanced diet.

>I don't know why you're so triggered by my little experiment.
I'm rightfully triggered by you incorrectly using terms like "hard data" and pushing a anecdotal shit above all else.

>I'm just a simple guy who took some readings of hus own cycling performances with the only variable being in keto vs out of keto, and got some interesting results that fly in the face of the knee-jerk "keto reduces performance!" meme around here. Look at all this whatabouterry from you instead of just acknowledging it as something that contradicts your overall beliefs.
Ironically it's not even meme- defying if you only burned ~950-1000 kcal.

I see you deleted your post now. Had the thread on auto-update in the background. Oh well.

Are you some kind of scientist? Because thats's a good guess with the calories. That's what my gadgets say I burn. Around 950. I don't know whether to believe them or not. Good thing I don't give a shit about counting calories any more.

I know this is anecdotal and I don't have graphs like you but when I'm on keto the time to actually finish my workout almost doubles.

I just need more time for my muscles to "be OK". Usually I need somewhere between 1-2 minutes, on Keto I have to have at least 5 minutes between sets. When I try to go earlier I just fail reps.

I guess keto is decent when your physical activity consists of low-intensity shit. But I bet it sucks for anything that requires high intensity (lifting, sprinting, etc.)

further proof that firefighters are fucking dumber than infantrymen
jesus christ

Eh i'm poor and got used to eating lots of the same stuff, I learned to cook it well. Near every day was bacon, eggs, chicken ceaser salad for lunch, then cheese and jalapeno stuffed chicken wrapped in bacon for dinner. got the macros down for it all pretty well too, eating repetitive makes that easier.

Of course if you want to eat anything outside that it does get expensive. If you want to bake anything you need almond flour and that's $13 a pound here