Anyone else take these multivitamins? Do multivitamins actually make a difference to anything at all...

Flintstones chewables COMPLETE. I like to eat the heads off the dinosaurs

No hard conclusions on multivitamins in the medical community. I mean it makes sense that they might be beneficial but you know the supplement industry is built on that "eh, it couldn't hurt" mentality.

I take them though. Usually just whatever has vegetable products and the longest nutrition label.

I don't think they exactly promise any physical results as far as appearance goes. Just that you'll be supplemented some of the vitamins you usually wouldn't get from daily sources

should i just stick to taking 1 in the morning and 1 at night? recommended dosage is 2 in the morning and 2 at night but i feel like that's too much

I usually take it when I eat. Up to you old bean

Yup that's the whole thing. They might make you feel a little better, they might make your skin look a little better, and they might marginally boost your long-term wellness. They also might do nothing.

It's just a decision of whether you want to pay $10-$15 a month for a big maybe. It's not that much money, so a lot of guys will roll those dice. Which, yeah, is what the supp companies are counting on

If it's gonna do anything at all you need to take it after ingesting some fats.

I wanted to take alpha men some time ago
I don't understand how people can take this shit
it taste like ass

I don't get this sort of talk. How can they simultaneously provide enough that it's worthwhile, but provide little enough that they're not worthwhile?
How does eating good food magically make supplements work now that you don't need them, while eating shitty food that causes you to need supplements makes them not work?
It doesn't make any fucking sense. It sounds like they just don't do shit and the "make sure proper diet" like is bullshit to prevent someone from accidentally getting anaemic because they thought their sawdust pill was giving them any nutrition.

I just take a generic multi once every two or three days. If i've been feeling a bit out of it or somethings lacking in my diet it makes a difference, but 4 a day will just stress your kidneys

alright so once a day or twice a day? or none a day? what's the general consensus

bump

well i guess its time to throw all my subbs then...

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so do i take these things or not

Do you want to be alpha or not?

i do want to be alpha and strong

I took the pictured stuff when I was on PSMF, helped my immune system to stop crashing and made me a bit less miserable. It has zinc oxide instead of something better like citrate, but the absorption difference is only 10%.

the axe deodorant body spray of multivitamins

I take Multi +Test (natural boosters)

I'm looking like a tested out battle ox and my critical thinking skills have matured

I also take DHEA on leg/chest days to boost test

I think you should keep it up natural test boosters aren't just a meme they work for ppl with good genetics/good diet

I wouldn't recommend taking multivitamins, I am not a health scientist or anything like that, but it stands to reason that if you're consuming more minerals than your body can absorb, and you can only piss so much of it out, it's gotta be collecting somewhere. Whenever I take a multivitamin my piss is DAWRK yellow. If I don't take it it's clear. So I prefer to just structure my diet to ensure I get exactly what I need.

What else should I be taking with my EC stack?

To boost health and/or help the weight loss.

50/50 mix of bull semen and shark test

> I am not a health scientist or anything
It shows. The amounts of minerals in stuff like ops pic are way too low to cause problems for anyone who isn't on his deathbed.

I disagree.

Studies show it actually increases mortality rate

Multivitamins are a meme. You are literally throwing away your money when you buy them. They don't do anything if you eat a regular diet. You will get most of your micro nutrients from just eating normally.

you are not supposed to chew them you neanderthal

Yeah, 7.5mg of zinc or 0.75mg of manganese can really fuck you up. Not to mention the 177mg of calcium, you can almost use these pills as mortar.

Most of those aren't bioavailable. You either piss em out, or they collect somewhere undigested in the body. I don't wanna chance the latter. Best case it's a waste of money, worst case you get buildup of shit in your body.

Of course you don't need them if you're eating a proper diet, but few people are - even on Veeky Forums. People on a cut have it even worse. Being slightly deficient in some things is not a big deal, but why take the minor health hit when the stuff is cheap?

They're in the same tier as creatine, fish-oil and whey. Are they vital? No. Do they help? Sure. Certainly a better investment than shit like pre-workout or glutamine or BCAAs or whatever.

Zinc oxide is 45% bioavailable, the stuff in your food is 50% bioavailable on average. Not much of a difference. If your body has trouble handling fucking vitamin c or phosphorus in slightly above average quantities, you're either very sick or you're a genetic mistake.

>Best case it's a waste of money, worst case you get buildup of shit in your body.
Best case it will fix a deficiency that is causing illness or decreased performance, worst case you piss most of it out.

How much money are they paying you to shill this stuff?

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>don't have a counter-argument.
>accuse someone of being a shill.

I put one up my ass everyday and it fucking hurts, I'm starting to think Veeky Forums was trolling me

no, your diet should be adequately supplying you with just about everything except for vitamin D. If it isn't then you should be changing the way you eat unless you're insanely poor in africa and literally only eat 2 or 3 staple foods

Fish-oil and plenty of water. Preferably don't take the EC, shit doesn't make that much of a difference and it's not without risks.

What am I supposed to say? I believe multivitamins a worthless and at worst a health risk. You believe otherwise. I'm not a scientist so I don't have access to the data and all I can do is make educated guesses at their effects. I know I receive all of my nutrition through my diet even on my cuts so I don't use multivitamins. Like I said in my original post, this is all according to my common sense. I could be dead fucking wrong. It's also just as likely you're dead wrong. If you wanna start getting technical let's start bringing in some studies and end the pseudo science bullshit.

should i just lower my dose from 4 a day to 2 or 1 a day?

How much fish oil?

Any good supplements to help with clearer/nicer skin?

>I believe multivitamins a worthless and at worst a health risk.
I don't argue that you don't need them on a decent dietand when you're eating plenty of calories.
But the fucking point is that many people aren't eating as well as they should: 50% of adults in the US are vitamin/mineral deficient to a health compromising degree. Weightlifters, along with pregnant women and vegans, are one of the categories where most doctors agree multis are not a bad idea. You also gotta consider that people into fitness often diet - when you restrict calories you restrict micro-nutrients. In a perfect world nobody would need them, but that's not the way it is.

As far as the health hazards go, you're overestimating them. The water solubles are extremely hard to overdose on, the fat solubles are usually slightly under-dosed so idiots can't give themselves liver damage unless they take the whole bottle at once.

Stats? Weight? TDEE? Planned intake on cut? How much omega-3 and omega-6 will you be getting from your diet? How much fat in total? Are you on something?

Boiler plate answer is somewhere around 2.5-5g per day.

I'm just gonna take 2 a day now instead seeing as i cant get a solid answer

>Trust, like in your fucking ass couldnt search a few med pages with valid sources for some basic nutrition knowledge and see that unless you tested positive in some vitamin/mineral deficiency, you dont need multivitamins, but in case that you do, multis are quite effective..
>Also not trusting in the only fucking thing that brought us comprehesion of the universe.

Fucking sciencelets think we obtain knowledge through osmosis in the himalayas by sitting around.

/overlyreactiverant

taking them for maybe a year now

Morning
>5g Barleygrass
>1g thyrosine
>2 Vit D pills
>1 Alpha Male pill

Midday
>1g Lysine
>5g Creatine

evening
>1g Arginine Alpha Ketoglutarate
>1g Taurine

Night
>5g Barleygrass
>1g Theanine
>1 folicacide
>1 Alpha Male

I havent been sick,my dick is huge and hard, may hair doesnt fall, my gainz are godlike, my energy is godlike, bitches smell that shit say my cum tastes like whipped cream

life is good

Anyone got the pic of that guy who took loads of supplements and his kidneys or liver failed? and he said he would get revenge on some trip who supplement stack he followed?

kek, seconding this request, pretty sure he was a well known tripfag

how tf are you spending that much on vitamins. i steal a lot of mine from drug stores anyway. its especially easy in the winter with big coats.

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Nah there was better one that had him describing his symptoms and his bitterness

>he said he would get revenge on some trip who supplement stack he followed?
Which is idiotic, the trip didn't suggest any vitamin K or very little and the kid added a shitload - vitamin K is one those you really don't want to take super doses of.

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>Do multivitamins actually make a difference to anything at all?
Yes, but far, far less than taking vitamin supplements on their own.

>Is taking 2 in the morning and 2 at night overkill, should i take 1 in the morning and 1 at night instead?
Taking multivitamins at all is known to be overkill and while some studies have shown they're mostly useless, others have shown the risks of too much iron and vitamin A, amongst others, to be the result of multivitamins.

In short, they're

>Less effective than vitamins
>Something like 90% ineffective
>Usually the worst and cheapest forms of each vitamin and mineral you can manufacture
>Expensive as all christ when you control for the benefits

The supplements any healthy person should be taking:
>Vitamin D if you get less than 4 hours sunlight per day
>Vitamin K if you don't eat 2 or 3 helpings of green leafy vegetables per day
>Omega 3 if you don't eat enough nuts, seeds or oily fish

and others depending on condition:

>Iron for women with period troubles or pregnancy
>Magnesium for diabetics
>Zinc for many people

Most of everything else is pointless if you have a good diet and multivitamins are almost exclusively a bad idea

Most erotic thing to happen on Veeky Forums.

There are pretty conclusive and consistent results showing multivitamins are almost ineffective, pointless and/or dangerous

>but you know the supplement industry is built on that "eh, it couldn't hurt" mentality.
This is the important thing. Most people understand so little about nutrition and the lower and upper limits of vitamins and minerals that they'll buy things based on the belief that it's not causing any harm. It's one of the worst things about the industry, that it perpetuates this idea.

Vitamin C is a good example of a vitamin that has RDA and RDIs in line with old medical problems like scurvy (and rickets for Vitamin D) when the actual benefits to immunity and recovery start at around 20x that when tested in athletes, so it's understandable why many people are confused and think more is better.

Iron is a good example of the opposite, where even 5% more than the RDI in men causes cramps, blindness and has even caused fatal results.

In short, supplements are one of the things it pays to be knowledgable about and yet, like 99% of this thread shows, most people don't have a fucking clue what they're taking or why.

lmao but seriously what a cunt

first you say that they are 90% inefffective and then you go on saying that any healthy oerson should be taking x,y,n

They have been shown to be almost completely ineffective which is exactly why I'm recommending X Y N. Read what I wrote dumdum

so you are "recommending" these because they are completely ineffective

boy genius go chucg a bottle of Vit K and shit blood

>Iron is a good example of the opposite, where even 5% more than the RDI in men causes cramps, blindness and has even caused fatal results.
5% more won't do shit, who the fuck is that fragile. Also yet to see men supplementing iron, I have to go give blood because I've got too much from even being near meat.

I'm recommending X Y N because they've been shown to be ineffective, why are you having trouble understanding this?
X has been shown to be ineffective, Y has been shown to be effective. Take Y. Simple shit, stop being a dumdum on purpose.

They controlled for other factors and blindness was still a significant result in teenage men IIRC. Been a while since I looked at the studies but I specifically remember it because I was taking iron at the time.

Yeah, any man who eats sardines or whole fish, or a lot of beef or broccoli is almost certainly sufficient in iron. Like we already know, good diet renders the majority of vitamins pointless.

I take pic related

Everything else makes my tummy sick.

Alpha!

supplement experts on \fit\

>basic knowledge found on examine.com is expertise

Can you survive and be marginally healthy without vitamin and mineral supplements? Yes, but you can also be marginally healthy eating a goddamend vegan diet, too.

Now, if you want OPTIMAL health, especially if you're spending hours and hours training in the gym and/or for a competitive sport, then you HAVE to supplement, because it is flat-out impossible to get all the micronutrients necessary for OPTIMAL health and performance from just food alone, you'd be eating bushels of vegetables every single day, and spending hours in the can shitting your guts out from the complete overload of your digestive system.

You guys who complain that vitamin and mineral supplements don't do anything are more likely doing things wrong in your overall training, or you're not eating enough calories every day, or are genetically unsuited to what you're trying to do, and therefore don't progress. Then you find 'evidence' on the internet to support your anti-vitamin agenda, absolving yourself of any and all responsibility for your failure.

>I completely missed the point so I'll make ridiculous statements and act like a child instead

1. Studies show the benefits of supplementation at dosages and for controlled groups, stating optimal health relies on supplements is nothing but batshit insanity.

2. As has been shown in medicine, health and science for the last 70 years and counting, any good diet is way more than enough for optimal health at any level of sport and fitness, despite supplementation having clear cut benefits in certain areas.

3. 7 servings of fruit and veg a day is not bushels and bushels, it's a sensible world wide recommended diet because we know it works and keeps us fit and healthy. It also doesn't make you shit, if anything processed and refined foods do that. With the exception of prunes and hummus. They make you shit like nothing on earth.

4. I'm not complaining they don't work, I'm showing how ridiculous these arguments are in the face of simple evidence. We know multivitamins are pointless, we know supplementing correctly has great benefits in certain areas but can also be dangerous when mindless idiots like yourselves buy the marketing and keep a "more is better" mentality.

5. Complaining about evidence supporting arguments that go against your nonsense is the stupidest thing you've said and followed by the second stupidest assumption, read what you're replying to before shitting all over the table.

>We know multivitamins are pointless,
I actually log every time I get sick, since starting - I had a third the sick days as before. I was probably zinc deficient before, I live on 400E a month and food prices are the same over here as in most of the west, maybe I'll drop them once I can buy fruits, nuts, veggies and decent meat without blowing my food budget for the month in a week. Eating healthy may be cheaper than fast food, but it is a hell of a lot more expensive than eating homemade bread and clearance chicken all the time.

Zinc and Magnesium are commonly paired deficiencies and I suffered from both, check out examine if you want a good start for more info for both and good ways to supplement. Either way multivitamins are an awful choice choice for either of these.

Well, they stopped me from being sick constantly and getting some weird mood swing. Would it be better to eat a decent diet or see a doctor and only take what I'm lacking? Sure, but I'll take them until I can get some insurance or a better job.

BS

Zinc deficiency is fairly common but it's always worth talking to a doc if you're not in the US
If you're getting sick more than once every two or three years then I'd definitely seek medical advice as there's an underlying cause. Plus your fit so it should be less than every 2-3 years.

Diet and supplementation are fine, just avoid multivitamins if you can help it.

How do I into ZMA dosage? bought from myprotein and i think magnesium is like 700% over the recommended dosage

is this something to worry about? or do I piss the excess

Taking multivitamins makes my acne break out. So usually I wouldn't be against taking a chance on 'nothing or slight benefit' but they seem to actually be detrimental

you have no idea what youre talking about

>multivitamins are ineffective, take normal vitamins instead

>nigger can't comprehend

>I like to eat the heads off the dinosaurs
You're gonna make it.

You must not work around kids or in a healthcare setting lmao.

I work around sick kids every day. If you can give me advice on how to only get sick every 2-3 years, that would be great. I'm all ears.

>Arginine Alpha Ketoglutarate
Just got this, use it as a PWO with beta alanine and citruline malatate. But only take it pre-lifting, which is 3 times a week. Any use in taking it daily?

Anyone who takes a multi is fucking retarded. The claim is that you need these essential mineral for optimal health, but the lack of proven effects is literally proof that they're a scam.

For a claim like that, multi's better fucking make you a superman, but they clearly don't, and never have.

It's like buying a cologne that markets itself like "You need this scent to fuck women!" but then when you wear it it does fucking nothing. Then you go back and keep buying more bottles every month-- like wtf how can you cucks be so fucking stupid

>cucks
Jesus Christ, man, cool down...

Cuck is normie-tier these days m9. You'd know if you ever went outside

This how you split up your 4 powder doses per day over the week? Where'd you get the coloured cups from?

I just blend a fuck load of fruit and veg in the morning with oats and drink it as my breakfast