Behind the Neck Press

Pros/Cons. How to do it without Injuring my shoulder as they say, I like the exercise and I'd like to keep performing it. It doesn't cause me pain. Discuss.

Why would you do this if you can just do OHP?

Don't go too heavy?
Use a spotter?
Was this worth a thread?

I do both(on different days), I wanna work back of shoulder as well.

Limit max weight
Take a wider grip so that elbows are ~90 deg towards bottom
The bottom position is when your shoulders are most at risk
You can kind of bounce/catch it off/on your traps at the bottom with your legs (see Klokov BTN press)
Lots of people just limit their range of motion and stop at their neck (or at a 90 deg elbow angle)

Do pendlay rows for the back of shoulder

Listen to your body, it's not that hard.

Because it hits the lateral shoulder much better. It's the best for shoulder width and roundness. Front press is more taxing to the front delts and upper pecs.

I think it merits a discussion, because there are so many differing opinions out there. we have these guys with "rational" arguments saying it's bad due to the inherent position we place ourselves in. Then there is the opinion that ALL the greats did it, hence, it's necessary and harmless.

arent there more efficient ways to work the "back of the shoulder", actually isolating it, without purposely putting your shoulders in its most vulnerable position, risking injury?

Yes of course there are you fucking retard.

Then do face pulls and bent over dumbbell raises

yes I perform these as well. If thats the case, what advantage does the press offer that I can't attain from those isolation motions?

umm idk, uhhh YOU DONT RISK WRECKING YOUR SHIT

I go down untill my elbows almost touch my love handles. stopping earlier isn't suggested as much as completely ditching the exercise.

what I meant was, is there an advantage to pressing instead?

I fuckin love BTN press and push press. Just screw around with grip width and depth until it's comfortable. Push press is probably going to be uncomfortable until you get the motion down, cause if you miss high and it lands on your neck it hurts like a bitch. And you'll probably blast yourself in the back of the head a time or two.

Just the usual benefits of doing a compound motion over an isolation, I wouldn't do it if I didn't enjoy it.

Cons:
>literally putting your shoulder in 2 most extreme and unnatural positions
>you gon fuck your shit up
Pros
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Compression in the shoulder doesnt happen suddenly. Its a long term build up that slowly causes the impingement and pain. If you get it bad you have to go get surgery ( they cut of a small piece of bone from the shoulder, giving more space for the muscle and ligaments )

dont fuck your shoulder, itll be one of the worst mistakes you can do

No other shoulder exercise works the medial delt through such ROM as safely.

This is what people don't understand. If you try to target the medial delt with other exercises (lat raise, upright row, etc..) while getting as much ROM as BTN press allows, you are putting your shoulders in way more danger than you are with BTN press.

so to summarize so far,
Pros:
Cons:
Alternatives:
Safety:
thanks Veeky Forums

being this autistic
are you going to categorise 'insults' as well?

Almost every weightlifter do BTNP for shoulder development. If you don't feel any pain and can safely do full ROM I don't see why you shouldn't.

If it causes you pain, stay away from it.

Just doesn't seem like it offers that much relative to the cost of slowly fucking your shoulder up permanently. What does the behind the neck press offer that isn't already being worked if you're doing all the essential compounds like the OHP, Bench, Pull/Chin up, Clean, Deadlift etc?

I sometimes see it used by Olympic lifters as an assistance exercise for the snatch which I don't get either.

It makes sense for olympic lifters to practice the movement because they are under heavy load in almost the exact position when CJ'ing or snatching, but yeah for the average lifter, you arent getting much benefit out of it when weighed against chance of injury.

There is no pressing in the snatch though, it seems to me you should really only need to train the lockout position(which you can get with overhead squats).

well obviously stay at high and easy reps to prevent injury, and if your shoulders feel well you can reduce the injury risk even further if you just go down till your elbows are at 90° and your arms are a T, so take a grip as wide as your bench press grip and go down just below your head
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the barbell is a bit lower than the green line if you look at my ascii doodle

ignore the 2 lower lines, they were meant to be the body and under the head