NOFAP - SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE THAT IT WORKS

Quitting /b/ should be done anyways, nothing but newfag cancer and tranny porn

I like the porn webm threads, and watching gore numbs me to pain.

Doing too much of anything is bad. There's even such a thing as water poisoning.

That demonstrates an extremely limited understanding of dopamine, neurotransmitters, and pleasure in general. It's not a surprise that hearing the term dopamine linked to "the pleasure centre of the brain" on the news and Discovery Channel for the last twenty years you believe that, but the truth is much more complicated.

so we just completely disregard that flooding your brain with dopamine is good or bad just because its over simplfied version of the truth?

Nofap is the dumbest shit invented. Unless youre completely addicted.
It doesnt provide any hormonal benefit. The test spike after 7 days is short and decline after 7 days.
It doesnt do ANYTHING for behavoir other than placebo effect.

Its people like you who keep alternative medicine alive. Because you «feel» its effective.

but a lot of us are addicted and it is effective

MUH SOURCE

>is the number one most life changing change you can make

Couldn't make it past :07 mark ,

Hey buddy can you please just be quiet if you have no fucking idea what you're talking about?
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prolactin

nofap is one of the most hilarious beta shit psuedo movements out there.

-when you do this you insist the only point of existing is sex, hollow existence but of course you'd expect such a thing to originate in america.

-when you dumb down everything to "dopamine" you are saying you only care about sex and existing because of the high you get from it. how selfish can you get?

-the need to have sex is a leftover from when we were still mostly animals not just 15,000 years ago, it takes a long time to undo this sort of thing. see also other vestiges like the appendix.

-you are a loser who is only in control of the porn you give yourself and nothing else in your life is in your control, you think you're clever for turning it off like it's some intelligent choice when it's just all you have

-did you know you can order these videos along with voice actors from sites like fiverr for less than $100 and pretend to be some youtube celebrity when you're just spouting garbage and claiming all science backs up your claim when you are just saying "well dopamine exists"

When you talk about your side, you only bring up this fake "science" of selfishness helping you. But on nofap you must also not leave out:
-unwanted pregnancy, babies, families leading to suicide from the child or parents
-child support, male suicide
-christianity and other religion which beats it into you that you have to not fap. Guilt that comes from this as well if you break the rule wherein they tell a 13 year old boy that it's worse than 1000 murders. life misery if you don't.

why are you leaving all this out? because these are all shitty decisions and results made under intense sexual pressure because they didn't relieve it.

sometimes nature is wrong. best quote is the one against intelligent design.
>1000 of you will choke to death each year because we use the same hole to eat, drink, and breathe, anyone with intelligence would not have designed it this way.

anyway, please fuck off.

You also shouldn't eat, eating releases dopamine you'll become hooked.

I asked because as far as I know there are no credible sources.
Feel free to prove me wrong, I have yet to find a peer-reviewed source on the benefits of nofap of noporn.

This is the most incoherent set of thoughts I've read today,

>Quoting black science man

Jesus christ, fedoranon.

whatever makes you feel special

I'm going to go hire somebody on fiverr to make one of these videos insisting that anyone involved in nofap is just a sex hipster

yeah and i guess I shouldnt do heroin either? Theres a certain line you shouldnt cross. We live in an age where we have much easier access to dopamine inducing chemicals than our bodies have evolved to deal with.

u mad you got them bitch titties?

Fuck off you mouthbreather

Yet you need to drink water every day. Not only that most people don't drink as much water as they should.

Did you read the page or not?

ITT: chronic porn masturbators who can't cope with facts

Nofap is a meme.

ITT: retards spreading misinformation (you)

literally just watch the video.

actually gore is even more damaging than porn imo

The only source I've yet to see is an unpublished chink study which concludes there's no significant difference either way.

>Third day nofap
>having dreams of having sex with best friend
Dudes, why?

Probably, damage also seems irreparable. You can't go back to thinking the world is a safe place after you've seen the shit that really goes one in everyday life.

>HE THINKS A YOUTUBE VIDEO IS A CREDIBLE SOURCE
>THESE ARE THE PEOPLE I'M TRYING TO ARGUE WITH
If that was bait, 10/10

You're talking about the one about abstaining from ejaculation for a week raising test slightly right?

what were you reading yesterday?

It actually originates from India, nofap is basically western tantric sex practice.

Had a discussion about this with my doctor. I used to suffer from compulsive masterbation. Now I do it maybe twice a week and rarely to porn.

Yep. Key word "ejaculating" which includes sex.

I mean it's educating, yeah. Those are images and stuff that one needs to see to understand the world.
But regular exposure to violence, like real violence, is surely damaging... ask a war veteran if he is normal enough to talk, if you will.

>Practicing dogmas from people that can't poo in the loo

NoFap confirmed for Designated.

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Exactly, which is why it's hardly applicable to nofap, those guys insist having sex is still okay.

There are healthy activities that release dopamine, and not so healthy activities. Eating in moderation is fine, watching porn seldomly and in moderation is fine, shooting heroin to get your dopamine fix is not fine, smoking meth daily to release dopamine is not fine, eating beyond your satiation and to obesity is not fine, watching porn daily and continuously is not fine.

Tantra is an advanced practice, average people don't follow the teachings, search it up. It's basically about sexual energy and harnessing it for sexual prowess and creativity.

If you can conquer your base desires, then you can conquer much in the world. For this alone, nofap is a worthwhile endeavour.

>22 year old medical student
You guys are grasping at straws.
Everything he said about how testosterone works is spot on, admittedly, but the last part of his post (about intracellular testosterone increasing, thus extracellular test decreasing) makes no fucking sense whatsoever.
If that were the case, testosterone would go back to the baseline after the peak (after a small dip).
t. Medical Physics student

Yea, when I was a teen and in a gore phase with a friend of mine, ended up seeing a video of this dude that literally got chopped in half in a motor vehicle accident and he's lying on the street trying to pick up his guts and keep his guts from falling out of himself. Pretty harsh reality right there, desu.

Wow really, I didn't know that, enlightening stuff.

Need to ad that the part about zinc is legit though.

>You don't disagree with SCIENCE do you?
Lord Emperor Trump says science is a lie made up by the Chyneese.

Science is a life choice, and I choose not to.

Then stop acting like a fucking idiot and thinking that porn addiction is fine.

You're the one that keeps repeating watching porn is like taking drugs, I don't think I'm the one acting like a fucking idiot.
You fucking idiot.

Dude you're a fucking douchebag. We're just saying watching porn is not the healthiest thing to be doing.

Watching porn is like taking drugs, you fucking mongrel, watching porn is akin to taking meth. I would know, I've done a lot of meth, and the synergy between porn and meth is unbelievable due to the amount of dopamine released by both stimuli.

Fucking cuck. Porn is the closest I can get to feeling like I'm on meth without actually doing it.

No, that's not all you're saying. If it was I would agree and move on.
>porn is like using meth because I was addicted to meth and now I'm addicted to porn
I see nothing wrong at all with that logic.
By the way, did you know cigarettes are actually alcohol? I used to be addicted to smoking, but now i'm addicted to drinking.

I'm addicted as fuck because I don't have a foreskin and can't feel shit during sex and get no release from cumming so I have to do it 6+ times a day, go fuck yourself, I also masturbate to porn with uncut dicks only ;-; because I don't think anyone circumcised could ever enjoy sex

this post has killed more braincells than alcoholism

Why do you have to be such an ass? Can't you just agree that while porn is not literally a drug but watching porn and masturbating can be addictive behaviors that are harmful to your brain.

It's ridiculous to expect sources in regular conversation, but when one is in a thread that starts with

> You don't disagree with SCIENCE do you?

THEN IT'S COMPLETELY VALID TO EXPECT A SCIENTIFIC CITATION.

>scientifically proven
No such thing, faggot. Proof denies falsiability and is inherently anti science.

>cigarettes are alcohol
This isn't your real rebuttal, is it? Did you even read the post? Meth and masturbation affect similar parts of the brain, at least much more similar than cigarettes and alcohol do. That guy never even said there was a cross tolerance or anything like that. Don't be a retard. It's more like getting addicted to shopping after quitting smoking, if anything. I think it's just addictive in its own right especially if you missed out on teenage love and have no foreskin a la

How about try it yourself? Lel

You are literally a fucking idiot.

Meth and Porn act on similar receptors in the brain, both release a significant amount of dopamine. In moderation, this is fine, but in an addiction, this down regulates dopamine receptors causing negative effects on the user.

Just like EATING too much will cause negative effects, watching too much porn will cause negative effects. What the fuck do you not get about this? An addiction is an addiction, and at the root of practically EVERY ADDICTION IS DOPAMINE.

>I'm an addict and I exhibit addictive behavior across multiple domains

No surprise there.

Every fucking one of these stories comes from someone who is fucked up.

> I'm a sexually addicted loser who jerks off all day every day because I can't fuck a hundred women like a proper sex addict
> Thus, everyone else is liable to the same sort of masturbation addiction!

No, it doesn't work that way. Most people are perfectly capable of engaging in all sorts of behaviors in a HEALTHY and MODERATE way.

You're literally retarded if you don't understand the comparison. Research dopamine and addiction.

so you just agree with whatever someone tells you with no questions? alright
not working out and a sloppy diet gets you gains, trust me its been PROVEN

>you can be addicted to porn
Ofcourse, people can get addicted to everything.
That's not my point.
The reason I'm being harsh is because I don't want to hear shit about you guys having found some magic elixir to life's problems.
Sex addiction has been acknowledged as a real addiction for a while now and porn addiction falls under that category.
Addicts should stop watching porn and jacking off at least for a while.
Normal users have no reason to do so.
I'm getting sick and tired of threads like these saying that people should quitting porn to become a better person, or that quitting porn will cure their anxiety or that it will make them more confident.
Because those things agent applicable to 90% of people reading the posts and people who are truly addicted tend to know they are anyways.

No one is saying "everyone". Just like with the alcohol industry, it's the 10% (or whatever) that become alcoholics and have a severe problem. Certain substances carry a higher risk for compulsive behaviour and addiction. Drugs like Meth being one of the highest risks while porn is on the moderate to low end of the spectrum.

The problem with porn though is that it's easily accessible and practically limitless. Our brains didn't evolve to handle a steady stream of sexual stimuli on the level of porn and certainly not in its rapid nature. This is a new phenomenon we're witnessing as a species. The Coolidge effect is real and applies to porn consumption, in this manner, porn can be classified as a substance.

Do some fucking research on the topic before bashing.

>every addiction is dopamine
>except alcohol and cigarettes
Proceed to kill yourself slowly.

You literally just straw manned the case for porn being an addiction though by making comparisons to food and water, lmao, as if there are no obese people?

>Meth and Porn act on similar receptors in the brain, both release a significant amount of dopamine

Uh. All kinds of fucking things stimulate dopamine production.

> In moderation, this is fine, but in an addiction, this down regulates dopamine receptors causing negative effects on the user.

You're an addict, so shut the fuck up.

Also, you have ZERO evidence to support your utterly ridiculous claim that the dopamine release from porn is even remotely like the enormous rush from chemical stimulants. I mean, that's just laughably absurd.

>tfw petting a dog causes a dopamine rush
>someone help me, I can't stop petting this dog
>better not pet any dogs, everyone, or you'll end up like me

>porn addiction falls under that category
No, it doesn't. Porn addiction straight fucks with your ability to enjoy sex. Ask how I know. I'm masturbating and stretching my skin so I can have a foreskin one day and have some girl lick it, fuck you

What?

I said practically, can you into reading?

Kill yourself.

Alcohol releases dopamine too.

You didn't understand the point of my post, thank you for the meaningless paragraph

Sure quitting porn is not going to have a magical effect on normal users but I disagree that its entirely healthy habit even for normal people.

>No one is saying "everyone".

Yes they are. People writing these articles, and that idiot giving the TED talk, act like everyone is fundamentally fucked up just like they are.

They blame porn for the addictive behavior, when in fact they're just addicts USING PORN AS THEIR OUTLET.

>Our brains didn't evolve to handle a steady stream of sexual stimuli on the level of porn

We didn't evolve to handle the steady stream of visual stimuli that we get from trying to drive to work on time, but we don't have people bitching about an epidemic of overload from driving their car to work.

Stop with your naturalism fallacy nonsense and your addiction preaching. You're fucked in the head, and it has nothing to do with normal people and their viewing of porn.

I was an addict, I've been off Meth for 9 years, no need to attack my character and denigrate my statement because I brought up the fact that I was an addict.

Fucking kill yourself, fit bro, thought we're all gonna make it?

I never said the dopamine release from porn was on the same level of stimulants, I said it was SIMILAR, similar in the sense of pleasure and feeling, on a very low level, clearly watching porn isn't on the same level of hitting Meth.

Your strawmans are hilarious though, keep them up.

My point is that there Are obese people. I said you can get addicted to anything learn to read.
IT is a form of sex addiction feel free to Google it
Nicotine releases dopamine too, hell even fucking caffeine releases dopamine.

Ugh, cause driving to work doesn't affect the reward centre of the brain and cause a release of dopamine like porn does. You can't even compare the two, where are you getting these fucking strawmans from?

I get where you're coming from. I get the same feeling from the NA AA crowd. Porn is not a big deal for most people. But I still think everyone would be better off without it.

There are at least two people currently discussing with you, I think you think it was me you were talking to but it wasn't

Yes, and all of them have negative effects when abused. The difference with porn is that it affects our primal instincts, it affects our sexual nature, it's the most powerful force driving us as humans. Porn distorts and warps this force, especially when abused, and that's why it's different from just eating or smoking. Fuck, how do you people not see this?

>I was an addict,

You are an addict.

> I've been off Meth for 9 years,

Once an addict, always an addict.

> no need to attack my character

WTF? How is that an attack on your CHARACTER? You're a fucking addict. That doesn't say anything about your CHARACTER, idiot.

> and denigrate my statement because I brought up the fact that I was an addict.

Dumbfuck, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ADDICTION. You're an addict trying to weigh in on porn addiction as if it gives you some kind of authority on the matter, despite it YOUR ADDICTIVE EXPERIENCE having nothing to do with anyone else here.

You don't get to support your absurd claims by saying you're an addict, then act all butthurt when people point out that, as an addict, your claims to the addictive nature of porn are invalid.

>I never said the dopamine release from porn was on the same level of stimulants,

ORLY?

> > >Watching porn is like taking drugs, you fucking mongrel, watching porn is akin to taking meth.

You're an outright fucking liar now.

> I said it was SIMILAR,

Liar.

> similar in the sense of pleasure and feeling, on a very low level

Ah, so like petting a dog then. God, you're an idiot and a liar.

> clearly watching porn isn't on the same level of hitting Meth.

Yeah, clearly to us, but contrary to your previous claim.

>Your strawmans are hilarious though, keep them up.

Ironic shitposting.

>Ugh, cause driving to work doesn't affect the reward centre of the brain and cause a release of dopamine like porn does.

Yes, it most certainly does. Subconsciously fucking up your schedule so you're a little late and get that 'rush' as you rush to work? Cutting that guy off and just barely making the light? You don't think that's a dopamine release?

That's going to be my rebuttal towards nofappers from now on.
"strawmans"

>But I still think everyone would be better off without it.

No fucking way. The proliferation of porn has led to a new era of sexual freedom and experimentation. I'm having WAY better sex now that porn is mainstream and ubiquitous.

Still waiting on evidence that isn't some faggot on a swedish cuck shed construction BBS

We were talking about my first rebuttal not being up to par by your measure, nothing else.
Also.
>it's way worse for you because it just makes sense guys

Driving to work isn't as pleasurable as dopamine release from sexual stimulus such as porn, so no, you're wrong.

You're also wrong to say that watching porn is like petting a dog, because I'm pretty fucking sure any sexual act, and especially porn, release much more dopamine than petting a dog.

When I state that watching porn is akin to Meth, I mean it in the sense that both act on the same part of the brain, both can be binged on, and both provided a constant stream of dopamine until stopped; unlike eating or smoking where you physically can't intake any more, porn you can keep edging yourself without even orgasming.

Does this apply to the average porn user? No, and I never fucking said it did, but I know there's some here that this will apply to, so lighten the fuck up, I wasn't attacking the average porn user.

This masturbation is normal and healthy. Porn is not. Also once giving up porn the urge to masturvate excessively drops. It's win win

You guys don't believe me?

Abstain from porn and masturbation for 5-7 days, on the 6th day, watch porn and masturbate, but not until orgasm, just edge yourself and watch porn. You will physically feel a significant release of dopamine, I fucking swear, keep it going for about an hour and you'll feel high.

>Watching porn is like taking drugs, you fucking mongrel, watching porn is akin to taking meth.
Heh.

I speak truth.

Try my 5-7 day abstinence challenge and I guarantee you'll feel the dopamine and rush.

It worked for me, and that's all that matters.

Same user

And this is where the benefits of nofap/no porn come in. Imagine having that sexual energy at your disposal when fucking a broad, or channeling that energy into a creative endeavour, or using it as a confidence boost. That shit is real, you've got to feel it for yourself, the way to really test that it works is to try my method of inducing a dopamine rush after 5-7 days abstinence and then edging it to porn.