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This one?

something about moment arms

What am I looking for, here?

That's awful squat technique.

Partial squats are just as important as rack pulls for advanced powerlifters

I am not talking about the partial. All of Rippetoe's students squat like they don't care about their lower back.

T h I c c?

More like W H E E L_C H A I R

Good thing the weights get lighter the lower you go.

A better program

I don't get it. That's always how rip squats look.

>the "coach" whose "specialization" is novice training

it's just some moron who've read some article on the internet and believes he's an expert coach. rip has trained literally thousands of people in the squat and they don't get back problems, so clearly the evidence suggests that rip's squat is not unsafe for the back and the poster has no clue what he's talking about.

This.

None of Ripp's people go on to handle high loads because their shitty technique doesn't allow it. His squat relies heavily on the ass and lower back to lift the weight. You can get away with such squatting for a short while when your lack of quad power catches up to you.

Learn to squat properly.

Is there a low bar alternative? I do rips style because of knee injuries

>rip has trained literally thousands of people
>still don’t know of a single lifter he has trained

What exactly is wrong with RIpp's squats?
Is the stance too wide? Feet angle wrong?
I don't really see a difference except for that.

stfu

youtube.com/watch?v=SASKzp2xZUk

The lean forward and head position that put all of the torque on the lower back.

youtube.com/watch?v=e8zyw3fXZes

DYELest squatter I ever saw.
Shittiest form I ever saw.

Youre stupid if you think thats gonna hurt their back, but deadlifts are good.
But none of them are dangerous.

Are you trolling or just a newbie who think he knows it all?

Except this isn't a Rippetoe squat.

Yeah, just like the deadlift, clean, snatch, goodmornings. Which are ALL safe.

Olylifters spend 14 sessions a week in those positions, yet have lower rates of injuries than badmington players.

Fuck off, newbie.

He's been in this damn business for 38 years. He knows what he's talking about.

There isnt any "Rippetoe squat" they ar all low-bar squats.

oh great like who are you to say what it isn't it is. He's an SSC and trained under rip for years

I don't see where SS says to lean forward.
Unless you're doing a low-bar squat.
Which is retarded anyway.

Low bar squats are garbage.
Do high bar squats, don't go below parallel. It hits your quads just as hard and doesn't fuck your back

If you have access to a smith machine use that, it's even safer. Don't listen to these cucks, Chad uses the smith machine and is way stronger than them

Rippetoe's squat is like Layne Norton's squat. And everyone knows that his squat is terrible.

This is a low-bar squat
youtube.com/watch?v=yRRijTU86aU

Look, it's not the fucking movement. Rippetoe squats are a weird combination of a squat, goodmorning and SLDL. You can't SOLELY rely on your hamstrings and ass forever.

Troll/10

Well baited.

Heh heh heh

no its not. layne squats feet forward thats why his torso is so leant over.

he gets depth by folding forward instead he needs to open up his fucking legs like rip says

No it is. He break his shit with this ugly technique thousand times

I said HEAVY loads. Not babby 6pl8

You do know that the amount of forward lean is decided by proportions and not technique?

Layne Norton has way more forward lean than most people. yet, set the world record in the squat in his weight division.

People with a lot of forward lean usually have long femurs and short torso. Like Layne Norton.

lol

ohh stfu

wtf are you saying you foreigner?? I said his tech is bad

Rippetoe squats:
Head down and aggressive forward lean that turn the squat into a different movement.

Rips squats are not the same

>Christmas Day
>Debating Mark Rippetoes Squat form on Veeky Forums

its not a different movement its fucking hip extension! stfu!

I don't know anything about is low bar ok or not, I'm just wonderring why do everyone so faps to Rippetoe? He is litteraly noname without any coaching achievements. His experience is litteraly experience of any gym bro with above-average lifts.

Nah it becomes a mix of hip hinge and hip extension.

there is no good morning in a rip squat. stfu

Honestly, everyone ITT has dumb as shit thoughts who think their opinions matter. everyone needs to just STFU

Because he wrote a book or something.

If you believe that then youre retarded.
There is a reason for why his book is highly recommended by most. And hes spot on most topics related to lifting. And if you had read the book you would knew that SS allows for more volume and some exercises if muscle mass is your goal. And studies comming out the last 10 years are confirming what he says. What every good coachs says. They all agree on 98% of stuff, and argue about the rest. Thats it.

And GOMAD isnt for eveyone.

ITT dyels discussing squat form without realizing that everyone will have a different form based on their own limb length.

mysquatmechanics.com/

That's cool and all but Ripp thinks all other coaches are full of shit and regularly has spats with guys who have performed or trained people to the highest level such as CWS and Louie Simmons.

When Ripp takes a nab and trains them to the world level I will start paying attention to him.

>long femurs
She can't squat any other way unless she wears oly shoes.

Louie trains elite athletes
Rip trains novices

So when asked if Louies method is good for Rips population. Then yes there will be disagreement. The same goes otherway around.

People often take shit out of context.
Is Rip the perfect coachs and is never wrong? no.Is he a shitty coach who have no clue waht he does? Absolutely not.

Let me put it this way - if you could send a noob to Louie or Ripp, who would you choose. For the sake of arguments, let's say that Louie will accept him into Westside.

Here is your answer.
Who would you send your noob too. The guy who specializes in novices, or the guy who specialize in elites?

And who would you send an elite lifter too?

I dont know what Louie would do, because im not him. However when it comes too novices Rip is probably they more experienced guy. Jsut liek you should send the elite lifter to Louie.

So you wouldn't send him to a place where literally the sky is the limit and where he will get mentored by guys who have been in his shoes and know how to get him good?

If you want him to do well then you let rip train him at the start, and then send him to louie.
Who says lifters can only stick with one coach?

Or I could have him skip 3 months of BS and throw him in with Louie.

Or you could stop being so one tracked, thinking that the guy who trained thousands of novices is worse at training novices than the guy who specialize in advanced/elites.

and 3 months isnt enough to reach advanced.

A guy who specialises at "training" novices is a glorified babysitter.

Haters gonna hate.

You realise that every dipshit with more than a year of training could do the same job as Rippetoe, right?

I didn't mean for 3 months. I meant - take someone from couch potato to the world stage.

>Rip trains novices
LMAO every time I see it

>And if you had read the book you would knew that SS allows for more volume
Pages/topics?

>is highly recommended by most
By most omegas from anonimous imageboard about anime.

Louie wouldn't even take the fucking guy in if he didn't have atleast 5 pl8 squat to begin with and no intentions of juicing. Rip can and will train a guy that can't perform a squat without the bar.

Cant remember the page. As i have it on paper, and cant ctrl+f search for it. But the is one section about back-off sets.
And there is the SS version on their site with a fourth set of 8s with less weight for volume.

>What every good coachs says.
Every good coach says that beginner should do tons of bodyweight accessories and dumbbell exercises, every good coach says that beginners should not train with this high intensity and should not progress in 5 rep max as fast as possible (there is no such principle in training that beginners should progress fast, in fact there is some coaches that advocate against it, for example Zatsiorsky's 3-years rule).
In fact Eric Cressey and some other good coaches recommend beginners not dive right into squats and deadlifts and learn split squats and do rack pulls or sumo deadlifts instead of conventionals.
And stop this shit about Ripp's specialization is training novices. You are either good coach who can train wide range of trainees with different preparedness or bad coach.

>Every good coach says that beginner should do tons of bodyweight accessories and dumbbell exercises, every good coach says that beginners should not train with this high intensity and should not progress in 5 rep max as fast as possible

Yeah, i would love to hear the names of these coaches.

beginners are the most adaptable athletes you will get. No one can build muscle as fast as they can, and no one can improve lifts as fast as they can. Whats the logic behind actively trying to make slow progress when you can do it fast, and yet, stay safe?

Eric Cressey isnt a strength coach he is a rehabilitation coach. He is good at what he does with baseball players, but gets a lot of criticism from the work of physiotheray due to his belief in "upper/lower cross syndrome" and other outdated/false beliefs. He isnt a strength coach.
If lifting is safer than badmington then why should you be carefull with a beginners progress?

THIS is what beginners should do
jtsstrength.com/articles/2016/03/07/considerations-for-beginners/

this is complete and utter bullshit

>there is no such principle in training that beginners should progress fast

anyone with any lifting experience knows that you progress faster as a beginner. Measure the time it took you to go from a 200 to 300 lb squat. Now measure the time it took you to go from 300 to 400lb squat. Progress slows down as you get better.

Although you probably don't know that, becuase you probably can't squat 400lbs yet. Have fun quoting Zatsiorsky and Eric Cressey and pretending like you know something

It comes from Rippetard's book, what else did you expect?

Sheiko, Tate, Wendler, CW Smith

>chad
>doing legs

Guys is it possible that I put on 12kg of muscle with 4 months of SS? Seems like a shit ton but that's what my before and after DEXA scans say.

A
Bench 3x5
Squat 3x5
Cable rows 3x8

B
DB curls 3x8
Tricep extension 3x8
Ohp 3x5
diddly 3x5

ABxABxx
will i make good gains with this as an intermediate lifter (3 years) or what? 5x5 looks awesome but i like my accesories too and dont want to be in the gym for more than an hour.. cause of all the 2 minute rests between 5 sets.

i wont look into SS or SL i like to lift 4 days a week and dips and pullups are a meme

Bait/10

There's a difference between a beginner to exercise and beginner to lifting. This is where the disconnect comes and why these programs either work great or create a mess.

The former is better off doing dumbells, partials and easier variants of the lifts to build up the muscles, instead of pushing their 5RM aggressively. This is something any sane coack will tell you.

srs, show me a bearmode physic that still does SS or SL

Wendler actually suggests SS for new lifters.