ICF 5x5

no you'll definitely overtrain. I'd recommend doing starting strength, but only two days a week for optimal recovery. something like AxxxBxx. I've seen better gains doing it this way, and the people I reccomend this to IRL usually do as well.

>take a strength program
>reduce the frequency
>Aesthetics

Miring that glue bulk hard bro

If you wanna get strong lift as heavy as you can in low reps and across a few lifts
If you want aesthetics you're gonna want to cause microtears across the whole muscle expanse and to cause the fascia to grow - hence dialling up the frequency of lifting, volume of reps and accessory lifts

SS is a strength program not an aesthetics one

Please, I started with 3x5 and was fine. You start out low enough and make small enough jumps to get down your form. Squatting is not rocket science.

True that.

I increased my squat 70 lbs in 2 month and ended up with a SI back injury.

Thats stupid You could even drop the 2 day rest in weekends and add a few isolation exercises without any problems

there is a version of SS with a fourth set with 8 reps for more volume and muscle growth. Apply the last fourth set to only upper body lifts and add 1 chest iso and 1 bicep isolation.
Then it will be good for aesthetics.

The thing is that training for aesthetics and training for strength aren't completely removed from each other as people think. If you're new to lifting, you're gonna gain muscle, even if doing starting strength. The thing is that getting strong will help you gain large amounts of muscle mass. Mass moves mas. As a newbie, you adapt to stress much quicker so you gain strength session by session. This will end, eventually.

Now, the typical suggestion is to do a beginner routine for 3-4 months then move onto an intermediate strength program. Since you're not getting a PR every workout and the fact that you're now strong enough to move respectable weight, you can spend time doing more bodybuilding type movements as accessories or doing things like bench or press at hypertrophy rep ranges.

>ended up with a SI back injury.

Thats because you used incorrect technique.

And I went from a 95 lb squat to a 275 lb squat in 3 months and didn't hurt anything because I made form a priority over egolifting.

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Do some strength program for a few weeks/months before hopping on a high frequency high volume PPL.

I recommend you to do 5/3/1 for beginners just as Jim Wendler preaches here: forums.t-nation.com/t/5-3-1-beginner-template-assistance-exercises/212834/6 . If you can't do dips, do triceps extensions; if you can't do pull-ups, try pulldowns. Add curls, facepulls and lateral raises 1x per week each, minimum 50 reps total.

Being frank with you,I wish I had done this when I first got into lifting. It's more manageable for beginners than the usual low reps/high intensity/shitty form advised on forums. It's way way better to progress than PPL/brosplit/isolates-only routine given by gym instructors.

Last but not least, as a beginner you will see gains in any routine, but its very linked to your diet and commitment.

Yea I understand that a good strength base is needed. Just trying to get the most out of my beginner growth.

>routine by roidin youtuber
or
>routine by coach/gym owner
Kind of surprises me how stupid you guys are

Which was the whole point

Once you've ingrained the technique then go nuts
But learning to squat using heavy weights at low reps is a recipe for trouble
We all know theory is fine, but you have too find and correct your own errors as you learn
Best not making those errors with 80-90% of orm on your back

Do this:
A
Squat 3x5
Bench 3x5 + 4th set with 8 reps
Power clean or pendlay rows
Chin ups 4xF

B
Squat 3x5
OHP 3x5 + 4th set with 8 reps
DL 1x5
Cable or DB flies 3x8-12
Curls 3x8-12

weeks looking like this:
AxBxAxx
BxAxBxx

This will even it more out and the fourth set increase the volume quite a bit, even though it doesnt seem much.

Feel free to do SOME accessory work like hammer curls or skullcrushers if you're worried about arms, or throw in some dips or close grip bench for chest. Just don't let it detract from getting strong as fuck.

The whole point of beginner programs is to only add weight when the technique is good.
Thats why you start with the bar. YOu never start at 80-90% of your max.

>routine by coach/gym owner

Powerlifting coach/ gym owner

Mark rippetoe is great for learning the movements, but he is fundamentally a strength coach
SS will ramp up your poundage on bp, squat and dl, but it's not built on makig you aesthetic

In theory
But what's your newbie gonna do once he realises he's getting stronger?
He's gonna get excited and add weight to the bar, especially if he's young
I'd prefer they learn the movements and the difference between good and bad pain at an instinctual level before they start playing at linear progression

pro tip: no one has any idea what the fuck they're talking about.

as long as you use good form, you're not going to injure yourself by doing accessory exercises. worst case scenario is that you're just wasting your time. if you want to do them, do them.

NO BEGINNER PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOU AESTHETIC, YOU NEED TO BE AN INTERMEDIATE AT LEAST TO EVEN LEAVE DYEL MODE

This is literally SS/SL, which is a copycat of Reg Parks 5x5, with accessory work, which just how 99% of people running SS/SL anyway, so it makes sense to just put it in the program.

>my goal is aesthetics

Then you should just get on tren and stop fucking around with diet/exercise bullshit and do the only thing that matters, steroids.

I get that, looking for the best way to get to intermediate level.

T. Guy that legitimately does not lift and simply posts on fit and lookism about how ugly he is

Itt: bunch of fucking retards with a sub 225 bench trying to argue what thr best program is LMFAO die pussies die. C you at my gym in the new year LMFAO faggots!!!!!!!!@@@@@!!

Lifting for 10+ years

You'll learn the truth after you finish your first year of lifting

How does he juice and still look completely average though? Does he just not work out ever or eat like total garbage?

>5 years to get anywhere

thats a bit generous jason youve been trying for longer than that

Get your test levels checked

Or you are not eating a good diet

Or you are not lifting with 0 intensity

Or you have dysmorphia and you actually look pretty good

>get on tren to look good

Utter bullshit
If you arent looking to compete in bb/strength or generally going for a roided physique there's no reason to fuck about with your hormones and shave years off your life with roids
They have legit uses - being too lazy to lift and diet isnt one of them

Yes and yes
It's hollywood - he probs gets his roids dropped off with his coke

After 5 years of doing ICF you can be as autistic as "Hemmingway" Blaha.

That is an accomplishment of sorts.