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It's just the result of guys not realizing that just being nice is not the way to get laid.
Call me a faggot, I blame today's culture of pussification.

I've never understood where the 'owed' part comes in. Their beta bff isn't owed their sex anymore than they're owed Chad's. None the less, no one is happy consistently getting rejected. Third wave feminism consistently misses the point.

For most of my life I've been the betafag that gets friendzoned all the time, but I've never really expected sex. Took me a while to realize that I was simply coming across as really nice and not necessarily interested.

if the guy was creepy he wouldn't be my friend

friendzoning is supposed to be more about how women won't date their friends. It doesn't matter how attractive or great he is, simply being her friend is a deal-breaker. So it's not "he got rejected DESPITE being her friend" it's "he got rejected BECAUSE he's her friend." Friendzoning is teaching men that you need to make a move shortly after meeting a woman, because for a lot of girls once she starts to see you as a friend nothing will change that, even if she had the hots for you when you first met

That's all true, but i also believe many of these guys think there is a formula whereby a certain amount of being nice = sex. Then they get mad when their perceived formula doesn't work.

>or whatever those guys do.
> those guys
>those

I am laffin

>being friends with girls

Its like you want pointless drama in your life.

Being nice = sex is a bit oversimplifying it.

They don't think simply being nice will get them sex. They are genuinely interested in a girl, but they think the best way to communicate to the girl that they are interested is to be nice, rather than just tell the girl outright.

So the guy is expecting that if he acts nice long enough, the girl will pick up on the feelings he is failing to communicate, and reciprocate his feelings.

The frustration and angst associated with the "friend zone" comes from the fact that the girl will never see his simply nice actions as indicative of a relationship, so the guy-girl dynamic never changes.

So the guy is sitting there going "hey I've had a crush on you forever and I've been showing this by being nice to you, and you're not picking up on it. What the fuck is going on". The guy never realizes he has not actually communicated to the girl that he's interested in her.

You don't have to explain your theory again. I get it.

I'm saying there is another type of person out there and that's who i described. They exist, somilar to Elliot Rodger who thought he deserved an automatic lifetime supply of blowjobs for being a "gentleman" with a nice car.

>You think your creepy male friend thinking you owe them sex is bad, imagine having to listen to a girl who talks about shit like that.

If you want to learn how to catch fish, then don't ask fish; ask a fisherman.

And chicks who legitimately lead guys on in the romantic sense do exist as well. Both sides suck, deal with it.

>calling your friends creepy
Women belong in the kitchen without access to the outside world this is only solution to such retardation

This, incels need to die.

Sex should ONLY be performed by BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE, subhuman incels should never be allowed to taint it.

It's also because UGLY INCEL BETAS have RUINED hormonal profiles and POOR MAXILLOFACIAL DEVELOPMENT and thus do not even register as sexual beings.

I'll never talk shit about this topic again after a crazy friend of mine kept following me and saying I should ltr her because she's perfect for me (literally the only thing we had in common was we both liked GOT). It was very hard to not keep her around since we both had the same social circle and not talking to her would be strange.
Thanks god I changed uni and cut all contact with fat chick and old beta friends.

I absolutely agree, beautiful people should only breed.
thus wiping out ugly people and making sure no future uggos exist to breed.

this post has inspired me to be assertive with a grill at a party tomorrow night.

I'll report back on jan 1st.

>ltr
what u meen

she's unironically correct.

>she

>What he doesn't realize is he has in no way communicated to the girl that he is interested in her sexually
THIS
FUCKING THIS
make it obvious you want to fuck/gf her and a lot of girls will tell you straight up whether or not they want to.

Nothing to do with today's culture of "pussification" (doesn't exist), and has everything to do with male entitlement. The truth is even ugly guys/dyel guys think they're entitled to sex with hot girls. The average loser on Veeky Forums thinks he's gods gift to earth.

If you want to fuck a girl and she's not interested you say "she rejected me". If you're in the friendzone it's not because you 'think she owes you sex' it's because you have romantic feelings for her and it hurts for them to not be reciprocated. Besides which if you are maintaining a so-called friendship with a guy you think is creepy you're a dumb bitch and you deserve what you get.

long term relationship. That fat fucker wanted me to make her my gf! TOP FUCKING KEK.

>Besides which if you are maintaining a so-called friendship with a guy you think is creepy you're a dumb bitch and you deserve what you get.
it's how women get raped the majority of the time.

>culture of pussification
>doesn't exist
Let me guess: you're a girl that think you know more about men than men themselves?
Neck yourself, men today are basically mangina.

Same thing with chicks. I phase between Chad and bear mode each year and every time I slim down I dread seeing any of my friends girlfriends. Just happy whenever I meet a new chick I escape goat my girlfriend to make intentions clear. And even then that doesn't work.

Internet has really screwed up these generations.

What even is the friendzone.

I have like, one (1) female friend that I would like to fuck, but I'm not actively trying to do so and certainly am not overly nice, I just chat when we're in each others vicinity.

I forgot to get her a gift for xmas, made me feel bad because she gave me some weed cookies.

You know exactly what the friendzone is you just wanted to write a blog-post.
Fuck off.

Yeah, how dare there be people who don't think of themselves as worthless garbage. The bastards.

Absolutely been there. But honestly, we are put on earth to fuck. Girls should not be so naive. Obviously 90% of your male friends want to fuck you. Or they would given the chance. So it's not like "tee hee I thought he just wanted to be friends!" Please. No one really believes that do they?

The way to start fucking is to treat every woman not as a friend but as a romantic interest. If they arent interested, move the fuck on. Being stuck on one just wastes time you could be using to persue others.

reminder

duck out if the compromises make you miserable. duck out if you get miserable. duck out if it just makes you uncomfortable.

the goal is not to force a relationship to keep going. its to find a relationship worth keeping.

there is literally no benefit to frankensteining a relationship other than possibly sex, but you're better off withotu it if it isn't working.

emjoy the relationship for as long as you can. and if it goes south, leave, cuz all you're doing is preventing yourself from finding the good one that might last.

lasting isn't the point, it isn't the goal.

And yeah you have to take the risk of making a high stakes deal with a potentially very unstable person, plus people change. That's life, you can't play all of it safe.

>girl thinks I owe her the restaurant bill
>her calves and glutes are nonexistent
>was mean to the waiter

jej

how is this Veeky Forums related again?

>creepy
>friend
Sociopath

>/r9k/-triggering: The Post
How isn't it Veeky Forums related?
Perfectly meta post if you ask me.
If you wanted to talk about fitness you shouldn't have come here.

it's more likely due to people not being very good at critical thinking and/or social interactions.

'culture of pussification' is more the former, it's a laughably stupid concept. sure, males today are more likely to have more of the characteristics that are traditionally are associated with females... but so fucking what? the very idea that the chromosomes/hormone profile someone happens to have been born somehow dictates how they 'should' behave, what they should like etc. etc. really is just dumb - it's a philosophically, politically and ethically ridiculous position.

If the guy is a beta and don't act masculine, like most "friendzoned" guys, girls will literally see him as a girl. One of the things that made me change my behaviors was when a girl said she would not go out with me because she did not saw me as a man (can't blame her, I was a weak and skinny faggot that thought proclaiming not liking sex was a turn on to girls and purposely talking less deeper to sound less threatening).
You faggots can say whatever you want, but 100% of this said friendzoned idiots are low test and out of shape mangina. If you're a man, you'll state your intentions to the girl very early and if she trows the "let just be friends card", you'll just say no, because options.

>100% of this said friendzoned idiots are low test and out of shape mangina
but this is obviously just wrong

being friendzoned just means she isn't interested in you. is it because you're ugly and she never would have been interested? maybe. is it because you played your cards wrong and didn't present yourself in a way she would have found attractive? maybe.

desu i find the whole concept of 'friendzoning' and 'nice guys dont get the girl' completely un-mysterious. besides, how may 'nice guys' are actually just normal guys (often assholes) who think the way to a girl's heart is constantly pointing out flaws in her boyfriend and otherwise brown-nosing her? as i said, plebs who dont get social interactions

A single man will gladly have sex with a female friend if she asks him to, even if she's ugly.
She's a friend you'll do her a favor, no biggie.
Most women don't work like this so they can't understand why it's weird to refuse sex with a good friend and the next minute sleep with some stranger.

Bait

...

marky mark explains this shit quite well in his book 'Models.'

it's not bait, it really is just as simple as not being a moron and employing your critical faculties

who gives a shit if someone with XY chromosomes likes wearing pink or is a bit sensitive or doesn't lift or whatever. it's just fucking silly to think there is something 'wrong' with that

Pink has been a manly colour through most of history my nig

>Sex should ONLY be performed by BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE, subhuman incels should never be allowed to taint it.

This wouldn't be a bad idea, save for the big fucking problem that ugly women still get to breed freely. The top 20% of men freely having children means fuck all if the bottom 20% of women pump out enough bastards to overtake everyone else.

The amount of pregnant latina trollbeasts I see on a daily basis is fucking distressing. Ugly latinas are never NOT pregnant.

>is it because you're ugly and she never would have been interested? maybe
If he stays friends to the girl even after being rejected, he's a mangina.

> is it because you played your cards wrong and didn't present yourself in a way she would have found attractive? maybe
Same as previous: mangina

The magic is to not be friendly with girls you want to fuck, don't do with them shit you do with your friends. You'll know when she's not interested: she'll ghost you. Now if you started this shit trying to be friend with the bitch for the sake of fucking her, she'll try to stay friends, and if you stays in that position, you're pretty a beta mangina that knows no better.
Men and women aren't supposed to befriend each other (unless she's a high test /plg/ massive lesbian).

Someone with XY chromosomes is a male, and certain behaviours are expected from a male. It's the way nature made us work. I'm definitely not arguing we should throw out all civilization and act like animals on our instincts, but nature's blueprint is there for a reason. Women are caregivers because they give birth, men provide and protect because their offspring needs it when it's maturing. If you deviate from that norm, you are abnormal by definition. Whether or not there's something wrong with that is up for debate, but in the current situation I think Western society could benefit from a bit of strength.

i agree to this, please try to falsify it.

Keep thinking this while you stay single. No matter what women say, they are attracted to strength, confidence and dominance.

It's not really their fault for being beta and getting themselves in the friendzone.

A lot of them grew up under the thumb of overbearing mothers and female teachers who stamped out any chance of masculinity. A few kids make it through the gauntlet thanks to the help of older brothers and father figures and become Chads later in life, but many of them wind up playing "nice" and then becoming bitter and angry.

These guys have been conditioned into being ashamed of their own sex drive, so they lack that ability to walk up to a girl and be honest about what they want. The most pathological of these cases internalize this conditioning and can't even be honest with themselves about why they're orbiting a girl.

>oh, I defended her on the internet because she's a good person
>oh, I picked up her tab because she's having a hard time with her bills
>sh-she doesn't owe me sex! I'm a good person who respects wimmen

They're conditioned. They're like beaten dogs. It's not their fault. They're just malfunctioning.

>creepy
>friend

This makes no fucking sense. If you think they're creepy why the hell are you friends with them?

if the creepy male friend wasnt balding she would have no problem having loose sex with him on the side

Veeky Forums has no mods.

The term "friend" is often applied loosely to acquaintances. You would know that if you weren't autistic.

Best part is that they start breeding in high school

>These guys have been conditioned into being ashamed of their own sex drive

>tfw mom used to change the channel with no explanation every time something romantic or erotic, like someone making out came on the TV
To this day at 24 years old I still feel like I shouldn't look at a hot girl on TV when I'm in the same room as my parents. You're right about the shame, I've had trouble expressing sexual attraction, even when hanging out with guy friends. They've though I'm gay because I never showed interest in girls.

T-Thanks parents

A good way to reverse the shame is to go on /s/ after a week of NoFap and loudly monologue about what you want to do to the girl you're looking at.

>I WANT TO BUILD A COMFY COTTAGE AND LIVE IN THAT CLEAVAGE
>LOOK AT THEM TITTIES, HOLY FUCK
>OH LAWD, I WOULD EAT A CAN OF BAKED BEANS OUT OF THAT BITCH'S ASS
>I WANT TO BANG THAT SLUT AND TAKE HER TO WAFFLE HOUSE

It's not perfect, but it may help break down some internal barriers.

>I've never understood where the 'owed' part comes in.

tl;dr: Accusing someone of feeling owed is a cop-out that allows people to avoid explaining to friend-zoned losers that they have poor social skills and nobody is interested helping them understand.

The "they feel entitled to sex" meme fist came about in the context of some forever-alone asking "why not me?" while pining out-loud about the fact they've been unsuccessful romantically.

There is an answer to that question, but "feeling owed" is not one. Even if someone actually thought they were entitled to sex, the answer to "why not me?" it is still not the entitlement. Someone who has an easy time dating could feel entitled to sex too. It doesn't magically disqualify them from having relationships.

Answering the question is hard. The actual answer complicated, and it's even more uncomfortable to deliver. And it's uncomfortable to say you're not going to explain. And it's uncomfortable leaving the question hanging unanswered. Even when someone asks it to no-one in particular, it's uncomfortable to be in a position where you could help someone out but choose to just leave them stranded. And women know they have a perspective from the other side of heterosexual relationships that could contain useful insight.

(continued...)

continued (this half is more speculative)

So brain-gears start turning looking for an answer. Not an answer to the original question, but "how can I get out of this?" and "why do I feel obligated to answer this?" Which leads to "why do I feel obligated to help this person?"

Mix in the understanding that this person is seeking knowledge that could be used to improve their dating skillset. the next thought in the chain is "why do I feel obligated to help this person _get laid_? It's not my responsibility to make them succeed in having sex."

Mix in that women know stereotypically the man does the pursuing and woman does the consenting. "There is no reason they have to get laid, and I don't have to help them. I'm under no obligation to spread my legs for them."

And BOOM there it is. The spark of an idea to cop-out. This line of reasoning might have all happened subconsciously. It probably happened subconsciously. Just like your brain finds a way to let you walk past homeless beggars on the street. It doesn't matter if it follows a strong line of reasoning, or not. Your brain lies to you all the time, every day. About things much bigger than this topic.

If a girl helps a beta become an alpha, she's indirectly sabotaging herself.

Inside, her lizard brain is thinking:
>Did I just help this beta low test loser increase his chances of impregnating me? GROSS!

>religious as fuck parents
>father beats me up
>mother wants to shelter me from everything
>i turn out a complete mess
>mom tells me that i am the devil when i am 12
>father probably gave up on me at some point
>get psychosis, lonelieness and depression
>1 year ago, i finall cut off all contact and started lifting
>having the best time of my life right now, still single tho but whatever (i am 22)

I can do that now if I want to. I'm fine when alone, it's the external barriers that are the problem. I'm emotionally repressed to stupid amounts.

fucking hell I am looking forward to seeing these posts on /s/ now

10/10

i do, my life is boring

Notice she has to use 'creepy' as a modifier. i.e if he was hot she would have rode the cock carousel.

It has everything to do with the 'culture of pussification'. These dudes have spent their entire life surrounded by women. Their whole world view has been sculpted by women. And when they arrive in the dating scene, what do they do? They listen to the advice of their matriarch. Unfortunately, women, by definition, don't know what they want. So they tell the kid that women want a "nice guy". Or a "Funny guy." The result is a subculture of fedora tippin' nice guys.

>I can do that now if I want to.
>I'm fine when alone

But you don't, that's the point. Your brain is just lying to you. Try singing Happy Birthday to yourself at max volume in your apartment and see how often your voice stifles. Seriously, go try it right now. Strut around your apartment, singing that stupid ass song.

>No user, you're not inhibited.
>We could totally do all this stuff if we wanted.
>We just don't want to, see?"
>It's other people that make us inhibited.
>We're fine if we're alone, just the two of us m8.

You're falling for that bullshit to preserve your ego.

Look man, I'm trying to help you. Stop protecting your inner beta. He may have been with you since childhood, but he has to fucking go, and he's going to make all the excuses in the world to try and keep you from changing.

i agree that this is closer to the definition of friendzoning.
However, I don't think the friendzone exists if you're a certain type of person. If you're a cuck, you're gonna get friendzoned. me big alpha chad never friend always fuck

I sing when I'm alone all the time dude, like bad falsetto shit. I was singing along to Kiss From a Rose earlier today and I can not at all hit the same notes as Seal, but I tried.
But I never sing in front of other people. They've tried making me but I never do it.

You can be overly nice and get laid easily of you're attractive. It's the only thing that matters. I'm overly nicer to girls than many of my friends but get laid much more often because I'm pretty attractive. This meme that says being nice = not getting laid needs to stop. Just stop being so ugly.

>Just stop being so ugly.
this desu senpai

Because big alpha chad makes a move shortly after meeting a girl so big alpha chad never gives the girl time to friendzone him

it depends on what you mean by being "nice." To a lot of perma-virgin nice guys, being nice means always respecting her boundaries and not making a move until you're 100% certain she is comfortable with it. Which will not get you laid no matter how attractive you are, because girls want a guy who takes charge and is assertive/dominant. If being nice means just doing nice things for her, you can get laid. If being nice means treating her like an equal and respecting her boundaries, you'll be a KV forever (unless you like fat chicks)

No, I'm a man, and you're a reactionary retard. The "culture of pussucation" doesn't exist. Neck yourself.
>muh strength
>muh dominance
Women don't date bodybuilders. They actually find bodybuilder body types unattractive. They'd much more prefer a lean attractive underwear model they have stuff in common with than an autistic meathead with an unattractive Freiza body.

retard tries hard to psychoanalyze, fails badly

>If being nice means treating her like an equal and respecting her boundaries, you'll be a KV forever
I've been on Veeky Forums two days and this is already the rapiest thing I've ever read on the internet. Congratulations.

This isn't true though. I've been asked out by girls who were my friends, turned them down, and with about 1/3 of them, we're still friends to this day. I think it's more that a lot of people of both sexes who go into friendships with the opposite sex do so with their own underhanded intentions and get pissy when they get burned. Guys just have made a meme out of it with the term "friendzone" because we do it so much.

If you like someone let them know, don't try to play long term con artist just to get laid.

>If he stays friends to the girl even after being rejected, he's a mangina.
Some women make great friends. Not every relationship resolves around sex; successful adults and people with lives understand this. Only the most underage, bitter, PUA, autistic Veeky Forums loser would actually even begin to think that.

>Women don't know what they want. Only I do.
You're about as delusional as a fat hambeast who thinks that men don't know what they want.

>thinks being strong and dominate means specifically bodybuilding

Wew lad, there's literally no hope for you.

lmao, this guy sounds like one of those joe rogan 80 IQ motivational speakers

who needs bitches when you can be frieza

400+ Wilks Straight White Male??

This is true, I've always been embarrassed to even say I like a girl to my mom, so it translates to not being able to say it to a girl. But I'm trying to go out alone and socialize more so I'll make it.

this is /r9k/ now. get used to it faggot.

>ITT: People largely agreeing with each other but still finding something to argue about

>owe them sex
nice meme friendo. no one thinks they're owed sex. people just get frustrated when they can't get it.

That's called a conversation you autist.

great job user. try to make friends also. talk to people and suggest to have a beer later or something.

these new friends will help you make mental gains just by being around you sometimes. because by
just being around you, they accept you. And by accepting you, you gain confidence. "there must not
be much wrong with me afterall because these guys accept me just as I am!" Having friends is damn
important.