STEROIDS REDPILL

Ok so last weekend I saw a friend of mine I havent seen for awhile. He was a casual gym goer and always joked around with me about taking gear but never really did it. He was never consistent about going to the gym, but he kept on telling me that in order for you to look really good you have to get on gear.

Well he finally did it. He did his first Test-E cycle and I have to say that there were results. I saw him about 2 weeks after he finished his first cycle.

I want the real Redpill here. I've been going to the gym seriously for about 2 years now, I have seen great gains, but after seeing his gains and the muscle he put on it really has me thinking.

Are Steroids worth it? WIll you keep the gains you put on? He told me that there was a study conducted that showed that guys that took steroids and sat on their butts gained MORE muscle than guys that went to the gym, is that true?

Will it shrink your dick/balls?

What's the real deal with roids?

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You will lose most of your gains when yo go off, you will have no motivation to workout without gear because the results are nowhere near, it fucks your heart, it's expensive and you will develop body image issues. Not worth it.

you will lose anything that is over the limit of what your body can naturally support. If you stay within that limit whilst on (which your first cycle you likely will), it will mostly stay afterwards. Use an effective AI and PCT and your balls will be okay, no your heart won't fucking explode that guy above me is a moron who obviously took health class and got scared.

Why do you lift?
Do you want to compete or make money with in some way?
Maybe get a Patreon and let fat cows and faggots pay you for posting nude pictures of you on the internet?
If thats the case, use roids.

Do you do it to look good?
Because its your hobby?
To be healthy?
Dont do it.
There is no worth in gains that you didnt achieve through your own power.
What are you going to be proud of?
You didnt do shit to achieve your physique, the roids did everything for you, you have nothing to be proud of.

I didn't say it will explode you sack of shit.

>t. butthurt natty

>t. natty cuck trying to cope

You have a higher chance of suffering from arteriosclerosis if you use roids.
But to be honest, OP probably already made his mind up about this.
Its not like anything anyone here says would convince him to do/not do it.

Agreed. PEDs are for making money, for your business.

If you're doing it to look good or get attention in some way, stop being insecure, lift hard, and be a well-rounded person.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3827559/
This is a pretty extensive and seemingly neutral rundown of steroids.
Generally speaking, you're more likely to have cardiological problems if you lift.
If you take steroids you have an even higher chance of getting these problems.
I wouldnt recommend using them, but you're probably not going to die if you use them in moderation/under medical supervision.

>Baldness that Finasteride won't save you from
>Emergent heart issues that cardio won't save you from
>Acne, bitch tits, and/or mood swings
>Requirement to take it in perpetuity to save achieved gains
>Out the fucking window and worse when you finally have to get off
>Never properly produce your normal levels of test again; ever
>Like, ever, ever

Not to mention, if you're doing it mostly out of vanity/self-esteem issues, you're just going to hit the same wall eventually, because somewhere in your psyche is a part of you that's unhappy for another reason you need to confront.

Its the fountain of youth.
You will have more energy, muscles and confidence than ever.
Test is cheap, its about 1 dollar a day for a low cruising dose - 1 vial a week.
The only downside is the side effects of the actual high test itself and having to pin yourself for 5 mins every week

>its expensive
Nigga one cycle is like $100 you probably spend that much on creatine and other bullshit

There is a lot of fear mongering here. Honestly doses are usually too high. I think 250mg test e/wk in 2 shots is good for 15lbs noob gains over 16 weeks. Don't stack it with other roids or orals. I speak from experience.

At 250mg youre seeing great nitrogen retention, increased appetite, libido and lbm. Recovery is better. Anything past this dose is diminishing returns. Sides make higher dose not worth it.

Take your suicidial aromatase inhibitor to keep estrogen balanced. Eat healthy, lift hard. Get blood test from privatemdlabs mif cycle and after pct.

Pct starts 10 days after last pin.
Use nolva and clomid 10mg and 50mg/day respectively for 4 weeks.

Dont be a retard and you can have good results for little risk.

Usually your natty test is higher than before after a successful cycle.

>>Never properly produce your normal levels of test again; ever
>Like, ever, ever

What?

Why wouldnt finasteride help? It seems like you dont know what youre talking about

Remember kids, when "doing" your "juice", inject intravenously like in OP's pic.

4 vials for a first cycle seems like a lot though
I think you should do a baby cycle like 2 vials over 12 weeks then do the one you recommend. Just to dips your toes first

You'll be healthy and live to old age as long as you do TEST ONLY, and TRT for life with small babby blasts if you want a d donate blood every 3 months or so so your blood doesn't get top thick and die, and do cardio as well as get regular blood panels to keep tabs on your health.
Your mood will be better, your dick will be harder, and you'll be Hornier.

>Get blood test from privatemdlabs
This.
If you dont have a doc that you can depend on, atleast get yourself checked privately.

>donate blood
Never heard this before could you elaborate

Different user.

It's generally for +500mgs of test and eq, as both tend to up RBC significantly, depending on total size and BP.

The side effects are many depending on what steroids you take.

The younger you start the more devopmental damage you will do. testosterone usage stops/retards puberty drastically.

Infertility and messing up your own endocrinology are the biggest short term risks. Blood clots are also an issue as The long term risk of Heart attack is increased. Google is your friend.

You will also never know whats really in the vial you inject which might be worst side effect. Secondary to that IM injection itself is not risk free.

Testosterone will not help you with body dsymorphia.

No one questions the muscle building effects, but no one questions the negative side effects either. Only you can weight the pros and cons.

Bhasin, S., Storer, T. W., Berman, N., Callegari, C., Clevenger, B., Phillips, J., et al. (1996). The effects of supraphysiologic doses of testosterone on muscle size and strength in normal men. The New England Journal of Medicine, 335(1), 1–7. doi:10.1056/NEJM199607043350101

Bhasin, S., Woodhouse, L., Casaburi, R., Singh, A. B., Bhasin, D., Berman, N., et al. (2001). Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men. American Journal of Physiology Endocrinology and Metabolism, 281(6), E1172–81.

Bhasin, S., Travison, T. G., Storer, T. W., Lakshman, K., Kaushik, M., Mazer, N. A., et al. (2012). Effect of testosterone supplementation with and without a dual 5α-reductase inhibitor on fat-free mass in men with suppressed testosterone production: a randomized controlled trial. Jama, 307(9), 931–939. doi:10.1001/jama.2012.227

What's a good place to start researching steroids?

Medical school, endo specialty

>youll lose all of it

Been off for 18 months and still have most

>expensive

The needles/syringes , Test E for a 12 week cycle and ancillaries ran me about $200

>sides

Developed shoulder and chest acne after Id been off for a while. The research I did suggests it was simply in response to the change in hormone levels. It took a LONG time to go away, despite my attempts.

>it fucks your heart

Possible. I didn't have before and after MRIs.

>decreased enthusiasm for lifting when your off

That was real.

Broscience?
Google?
Actual science?
Look for medical research papers.
You can also find them on google, but they're not very enjoyable to read and harder to find.

Fucking Hollywood actors and their top tier physicians and endocrinologists
It ain't fair

WRONG.

I'm on TRT given to me by a doctor. he gives me 240 Test cyp every monday, pretty much he says synthetic test can raise your blood count making your blood thicker which puts stress on your heart and arteries. so its good to donate it.
some people do it every 2,3,6 months depends on hoq quickly you prode a red blood count.

other than that just keep your diet clean and do cardio to make sure you dont get high blood pressure, you wont on small trt levels and tiny blasts but it just doesnt help if you have a shit diet either. people get high bp being low T and natty all the time.
Doctors wouldnt be giving you testosterone if you were gonna die. stupid fear mongering faggots in here who dont know shit think
Steriods = small penis and heart attack.
ignorant really
i am speaking on behalf of testosterone only and not doing insane ammounts of it (no more than 500mg blasts) and even then on occassion or after you cruise and rest on TRT levels (below 250mg) a week for like 3 months.
once you start adding dbol,deca,tren, etc things get complicated.

why would you "go off" dumbass?

do you just "go off" of lifting or "go off" of eating healthy and just go binging on frozen pizza, mcdonalds and poptarts forever?

>WRONG

I'm sorry you're such a manlet that a 240mg a week dose blows your RBC count up so high. Maybe they should have you on statins so you don't blow a vessel.

tfw i do TRT from doctor for 240 test c.
why even cycle this shit man. if you're coming off and "cycling" which is a meme desu. do AT LEAST 300mg.

thats great buddy, everyone is different. I go to a mother fucking doctor, and he states EVERYONE has to donate blood it just depends on the person ie 6 months vs 2 months for some. i advise donating every 3, even if you dont need it to just be healthy whats wrong with that. why the need to shit all over my post for it. fuck you faggot

Yeah you might wanna look into some mood stabilizer too.

i cant control my mood very well. choosing not to for such a faggot doesnt mean i cant. you deserve my rage.
>falling for the adhd, ocd, bi polar, depression meme.
>not knowing how to cope and control your emotions
never gonna make

>dr pajeet ranjeet who got his degree in india which costs 50 rupees that he cheated on says blabalbablabalba

ok fuckboi whatever

but hes white.

Just putting it out there, I would not recommend roids if you have a pre-existing mental health issue

All these dumb niggers posting.
Literally zero negative effects if you do one cycle and stop.
It's not cheating any more than using coffee for mental alertness.
Roid rage is a myth.
No bitch tits, mood swings as long as you AI and pct.
Long term negative effects only include increased chance of accelerating baldness if you're predisposed to it and cardiovascular stress, which can be countered.

dumbass who got his doctorate and just reads studies and thinks hes infallible in every way even outside his scope and that science can never disprove old shit.

Pretty much everything in your list is wrong little dyel cuck

his company wont let him treat you unless your hematocrit level is above 51 tho or w/e.
he has a boss too you know.
i dose my own estrogen becuase he advised dosing once a week when it has a half life 46-50 hours.

>falling for the low test meme
>not knowing how to cope and control his own hormones
Never gonna make it

>t. weakling cuck who can't do things the real way

>b-but why would you just s-stop taking heroin for happiness. There's no reason to stop. i-it's what real men do!

Only degnerates cheat, and absolutely deserve any negative effect.

If you take it at the hospital, you'll probably be fine, but that's not the kind of test op is talking about, when your natural levels that even doctors tell you to take it.

Lifting seriously (especially competing in strength sports) for long periods of time without AAS is not just a waste of time, it's irresponsible.

ever
ever

>Usually your natty test is higher than before after a successful cycle.

I thought it was the opposite, can you back this up?

assuming your T was at 600-700 and cause of improper habits and sleep and lacks of diet it goes down to 250-300.
if your T is at say 600 and you think taking zinc and sleeping 10 hours a day will get it to 900 or that thats much of a difference you're a god damned retard my dude.
besides natural ways of raising testosterone only raises it by 50-100 T and thats not including your free testosterone which is usually 11/14
enjoy being low T natty and making those "gains"

>not being able to control, ones own universe on both a physical aswell as metaphysical plane
nver gonna make it

im gonna ask this here since idk where else and you guys probaly know

lets say i can get some testosterone in gell form

iv had low test levels all my life

so if i take that testosterone, whats gonna happen, i mean in the sense of will i feel diffferent or will it make me behave different?

im not into any sort of sport or workout, ever, i work 9 hours a day doing some physicaly demanding shit with metal and so on, iv literaly got no energy or will left after that to do shit, oftern im to tired to even fap

thats maybe why id like to try out the trstosterone, for various reasons, especialy to see if its gonna make my mind function differently

so, what happens when you dose yourself with testosterone, what changes?

rubbing T on your is stupid since you have to do it daily or you T drops dramaticaly and you feel like shit.
better mood, better erections.
gains

You should go to the doctor my man, those are the signs of low t, maybe he can help you out, but from what I gather, gel is worse than injecting it.

Ask someone that studied that shit for 6-8 years, not some laotian fitness forum primarily populated by gays.

>cheat

Keep convincing yourself of these things, at least you'll sleep better at night.

My only concern is acne. Why even bother to pin your ass to get joocey when you won't be able to show off your gains becasue of acne?

youd be suprised, but, for many women muscle trumps acne

such women are often dumb, but they have female parts and all that

why in the fuck would need to donate blood? your doctor is some kind of fucking Dracula looking motherfucker drinking your shit or what?

its a form of charity, people need blood so people donate blood

Rebound nigga, if you pct or taper properly.

...I understand the concept but the post was implying the doctor telling him he HAS to donate blood, the fuck kind of country do you live in that you are forced to do that?

>tfw ever I started lifting I got most disgusting ance on my back

If I hoped on small doses of trt god knows what would happen.

The ace is so bad that one od fellow gymgoers who obv cycles asked me if I need tips how to solve roid acne.

>Why won't the doctor allow me to die

>Use nolva and clomid 10mg and 50mg/day respectively for 4 weeks.
Putting this in here for any user to respond to
it is my understanding that you dont need clomid AND nolva, one will work just fine for PCT
Correct or no?

explain the fucking logic of how not donating blood will kill you?

I answered that question already Jesus fuck.
It's unhealthy for your hematocrit levels to be too high and HIS clinics owners/bosses or w/e won't let him treat patients if it's above level 51.

yes one is fine, you use both for longer cycles (i.e. blast and cruise)

using both for a 250/week cycle is extreme overkill

You dumb fuck ass it makes you blood THICKER putting pressure on your heart and veins. You won't die instantly but having thick blood for a looking time cavan cause health problems. He's a fucking doctor and doesn't wanna lose his license. You God. Damned. Mongoloid.

I like them. No pressure, only use them if lifting is 75%of your free time, you coach or market yourself with your body.

Maybe if you want to fuck yourself up. The Test E alone might be $100. The PCT, AI, and Letro you'll want to keep on hand, and possibly HCG to kee your balls at a normal size (especially if having sex). This could cost you $300-$500 for an 8-10 week cycle depending on your source. Then what? This is only a beginners cycle.

Thanks, thats what i was thinking since (IIRC from my study of the subject) 250mg test is beginner level and even if you do a 500mg run you shouldnt need more than one
I was thinking of going all out with hcg during and keeping armidex on hand in case and then clomid+nolva PCT but i dont feel like you need all that shit

Tfw you accidently act like a jerk to bimbs

Plus blood tests if you're serious about it.

Former roider here.
Dick hasn't worked in months. Doubt it will again tbf

That's okay I don't remember. I'm sure you didn't mean it.

OP it's a hefty decision and one that affects me daily but I don't regret it.

Need all what shit? The only thing you don't need is HCG and Clomid or Nolva. You'll need one for PCT, you'll want the AI, and you'll probably want to have some letro on hand in case of gyno. HCG in case you have sex and don't want the girl to see your shriveled balls (like you're getting laid lol).

I just assumed you posted In this thread before your pic.
I'm the raging TRT guy incase you couldn't tell.

>your shriveled balls
Is it really that noticeable after just a 14week cycle of test only?
And yeah, im getting laid but that girl is out of town for atleast four months for school and my issue is im not getting laid enough but i dont think roids will cure that problem because its a logistical problem

Armidex instead of letro?

Nah I'm not gonna read this thread, it's stupid.

Just a quick bop in to tell OP it's a monumental decision.

samefag

nah

i see a lot of guys with DISGUSTING roid acne yet they have gfs

Dude you are stupid as fuck. You can get your 2 vials for $50 (3 for $75) and your pharmas for $50. You clearly have never done this or your source is fucking garbage

>Is it really that noticeable after just a 14week cycle of test only?
your balls shrivel up within a week after you start pinning. I don't see how this is a problem for anyone. It's the same way like your ballsack shrivels up when you are cold

>It's the same way like your ballsack shrivels up when you are cold
Thats just the sack shriveling up, not the balls
Balls are important mate, if they turn to raisins and wont come back whats the point?

Again with the erections. How old are you that you had erection problems?

except they do come back with proper hcg cycle.
you can literaly go back to normal on everything with HCG.
balls and test.

Wouldn't this still be like $400?

Bloods: $100
Test & pins: $125 or some shit I don't actually know
PCT: $50??
Bloods again: $100

im 24, i have a 7" dick tho but sometimes its weak. way better now tho

>he thinks people actually get bloods done

Only thing more faked than lab results from ugls

forgot a po box

Wait do I actually need a po box? Picking shit up somewhere in person at a public po box somehow seems riskier than just getting shit sent to your house.

But...but I thought everyone got bloods done

Alright, i thought i only needed nolva for my PCT but i guess hcg and needles dont cost that much extra
A price worth paying to keep my balls desu

2-3 vials of test $50-$75
altamofen $15
aromex $55

That's most certainly anxiety and/or alcohol, but if you really have a problem there's cialis or viagra.

I assume you didn't jump on T just for the sexual benefits, because that would be extremely stupid.

What this idiot is missing is Testosterone has a 1/2 life. Not to get to technical, but if you were to inject today assuming your natural production is shutdown which it would be at the end of a cycle. It takes 8 weeks with a rough 1 week per 1/2 life for the testostone to leave your system. Lets pretend the inject is around @125 will boost you by 500 in the first week the real number is all over the map, but I had to pick a number week 1 T level 500 week 2 T Level 250 Day week 3 125 week 4 75 ... Now keep in mind you injected the week before that and the week before that and the week before that so a week after your last injection you actually have 250+125+75 ++ 125+75 ++ 75 = 775.

Also remember at 250 he is getting more like 900 in his first week.

Keep in mind the last 4 of the 8 weeks are not big numbers, but they will keep your natural T levels knocked down because your body still sees the T.

So the jackass that says your T levels will be higher is a fucking idiot who has no understanding what he is doing, but he sure does sound smart. Dr supervised or not he is not on TRT hes on a cycle.

ah another
't. Plebit source board shill' threads

you guys must be making nice cash these past two years

Natty lift until 30 then cruise till death so all that natty effort doesn't go down the drain with age. That's my plan at least.

THE ROIDED GUYS THAT GAINED MORE 'MUSCLE' WHILE NOT TRAINING: THEY DIDN'T MEASURE MUSCLE - IT WAS LEAN BODY MASS, IE MUSCLE AND WATER WEIGHT.

You'll probably gain just as much or more muscle mass from training as you would from taking gear and not working out at all.

OBVIOUSLY you'll gain significantly more by training and taking drugs. The whole study is dumb as fuck because who the hell would have the dedication to take steroids, but not train in the gym at all?