Seriously, all memes aside:
Why is it so hard not to be DYEL as a natty?
It pissed me off how "meh" my body looks despite putting in years of lifting.
I only ever look good when I flex under certain lighting and trick the camera into thinking I'm aesthetic. I'd look like shit in any candid pic.
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Because all of our heroes took steroids.
Because the natty limit under best possible circumstances is dyel as fuck.
There's a guy here called 'Lotus', lifting 10 years, great genetics, maximum effort, natty.
This is the best case scenario for you natty, in reality, you will never get there.
When you see a real candid photo of him, the one of him on a bicycle, it's 'fuck I guess I will have to roid someday'.
Anyone that looks big IRL is roiding, 100%.
In photos it's easy to just get close to a mirror and flex in good lighting and look huge
The way you know someone is on steroids is if they look good irl not just in photos
Hard to cut fat as natty.
You either look really good while being weak, or you look a little bloated while being strong.
You need discipline to straddle the line. Roiders can just go all out.
Because most people run bullshit programs designed for not nattys without getting fucking strong.
post your body new year's starting strength retard
GENETICS
I know dudes that look amazing IRL that I know for a fact are natty. Don't listen to the genetic trash that are too butthurt to realize that some people can actually look good natty.
Jeff Cavaliere is a natty right? He doesn't look too bad for his age, but dont get me weong. We all know he's no zyzz!
Lifting for 5 years here, too ashamed to post Current body.
I've tried everything possible. Training 3 times week, 4 times, 5 times upto 7 times.
Done your SS, your brosplit, your PPLXPPL, done your Upper/Lower, done your 5-3-1, some your canditos program, done the "train whatever you feel like on the day" routine. Ive done my own meme routines.
I've looked equally as meh on every single one I've done, the only single difference I've noticed in terms of routines is my strength levels. I can't seem to manipulate anything besides my strength level, manipulation of my body composition seems fucking impossible.
I've also recorded macros/calories for years on end and I'm fucking sick of it, all that tracking for no real results that I (and eveyone else) expected.
I'm considering either
1. Giving up
2. Focusing purely on powerlifting (since my strength is the only thing I can actually make progress on when I actually try to do it)
Not implying that I'd become an obese powerlifter, I'm just saying I'd stop doing all the bodybuilding shit I do (which seems to achieve nothing) and focus purely on strength routines and getting my lifts up while staying at a certain weight (like 80kg or so)
People who make a living out of their body are the genetic elite.
If it was as easy as just training and eating there would be no market for fitness industry. The fitness industry runs on unobtainable hopes and dreams, this goes for aspect of it, not just ifbb tier, even "natural" lifting is the same shit.
>2. Focusing on powerlifting/strength
Do this, it's more rewarding anyway. Your body will come along slowly, but don't use it as your measure of success. Fuck, I would have given up after like a couple months if I had been lifting for aesthetics. It's some vain shit, and watching your numbers go up is more fun, especially if you're autistic.
I look quite decent being natty. Just not big, but whatever. Being big would be a nightmare for me as I already struggling to find good fitting clothes
isn't this that cowboy dude from shark tank. rofl
He is on trt
damn you're pretty much where I'm gonna be in a year or 2.
However I've started to stay leaner and eat leaner and forget about bulking and I'm still getting stronger and more aesthetic. It's no magic formula though. And sometimes I look at my old photos and think I hardly look different despite hundreds of hours of hard work.
lifting three years and kind of struggledd with the same thing.
Did strength work for 2 years and didnt see a massive change besides losing some baby fat.
Last year I did a 3 x week routine with lots of volume (4 x 8 sqquats, 4 x 8 OHP etc.) and I say quite a bit of change. Did you try playing around with different methods of increasing volume?
Are you trying to lose fat or just gain muscle?
to your point though, training for powerlifting as a natty tends to produce some actually good looking bodies (as long as you dont go "POWERLIFTER" mode. Never too shredded, but big enough to look like you lift.
PSMF to actually lose fat
this is the natty curse. you have to pick between the following two scenarios
>look big in clothes but fat without
>look dyel in clothes but a bit above average without
alex fuck off, stop talking about lotus and stop telling people the natty limit is shit you are a moron
post picture, i want to see. if it makes you feel any better that's my exact result as well. now i just switch between oly and powerlifting every few months just to keep myself motivated. workouts last for
i have the opposite thing
i ran sheiko, didn't get that much stronger, got a whole lot bigger
Same exact thing here.
I did bro-splits for 6 years straight, tons n tons of isolations, sets on sets on sets on sets. Always felt like shit outside of the gym, didn't get any magical gains on it.
Switched to powerlifting and I only do like 6 lifts in total (bench/squat/dead/chins/dips/press) and I cut down my time in the gym by 50%, and I still look the same as when I was bro-splitting doing tons of volume, but now I'm much stronger.
"Bodybuilding" is literally a fucking meme for us nattys. I also watched plenty of other fools at the gym go through the same shit.
>muh genetics
never gonna make it
focus on
traps
outer triceps
lower lats
outer delts
forearms
Adonis belt/abs
that will trick the people into thinking you are swole.
t. 25% bf pajeet nutrition
keep doing SS and eating your 10 servings of biryani rice you fucking shitskin.
Eat more/less. It's not that fucking hard.
If you want to look shredded you have to shred your muscles. I'm not even kidding. If you don't like the way your biceps look, you have to hit your biceps hard. That doesn't mean adding one set of curls at the end of the workout. That means doing a couple sets of heavy curls troughout the workout then adding pyramid sets at the end of the workout so that the next day you can barely move your arms. Putting all that effort into arms is a pain in the ass, though, so most people don't do it or just don't have time for it.
Obviously taking roids makes things possible that wouldn't be otherwise, but in general there's no reason you can't alter the way your body looks.
I've done exactly that and more and my arms didn't get any bigger then they have with just a few sets of Curls.
I literally had a designated arms day and blasted like 30+ sets of biceps and triceps with a variety of exercises for months on end and my arms still stayed capped around 16 inches like they are normally from chin-ups/dips etc
I'm sick of people assuming It's because I haven't trained a certain way, bullshit. I've trained every kind of way possible, results are the same either way.
post pic already, you probably don't even look that bad, you're just too self conscious
fucking sickening genetics
if i only had a 1/10 of that i would be swimming in pussay
So much body dysmorphia in one thread.
instagram.com
Student aesthetics is a cookie cutter trainer with below to average genetics and he looks like this after what? 3-4 years of lifting?
If you don't think this is impressive as fuck to literally every single normie and even /fitizen/ because I can guarantee you there are people here who think you need steroids to look like him then I don't know what to tell you.
Maybe you need to work on your body dysmorphia or just hop on gear.
he'd look better at a higher bf% imo
post pic please op. maybe you're dysmorphic
you have shit genteics lad
>instagram.com
i think this has confirmed that i have the dys
>instagram
>sponsored
>natty
>believing what some guy on internet claims
look at some of his candid shots though, guy doesn't look veerrrrry good
ITT: body dysmorphia faggots.
In any case, girls prefer natty boys in 99% of cases.
roided freaks only attract other homosexuals.
do you want to attract girls? Be natty.
do you want to attract homosexuals? Roid.
Pretty much this (besides the lower lat shit bc you can't isolate the lower lats). The whole focus on certain silhouette muscles is exposed on greatly on Alpha Destiny's YouTube channel.
>person claims to be natty
>person is an attention whore
>people believe what they claim
every time
1. You don't have superior genes
2. You don't lift heavy weight
3. You don't take natty roids (supplements)
I of course do all three. Supplements are the best kept secret in fitness. Not as powerful as roids obviously but get you halfway there depending on what you take. Natty sups make me, a natty, look like im juicing half the time
Keep fuckin trying user. Just grow more consistent, diet conscious, more volume, more sleep, whatever
You'll start gaining fast when you feel confident in your ability
ATTACK that shit and keep close record of your reps and sets and weight. The period of 'meh' will end and you will start your ascent into the fitbody
Lol @ faggots being memed into thr supplement jew
Says the natty guy, a reasonably juiced out body wins every time with almost every woman, there is definitely a point of diminishing returns though, bitches don't want Ronnie colmans body.
Not looking like a fat sack of shit is a good thing. Being DYEL can be overcome with better diet. Up your protein to 1gram per 1pound of body weight (if you are very low bodyfat as you claim). Adjust macros to target 40% protein or higher. Push yourself harder. If you want to look bigger - hypertrophy target your program. People won't know the number of plates you lift - just the size of your body.
Just don't get fat in the course of trying to look like a body builder. Double fail when you end up looking DYEL and fat. You must work harder if you eat more. watch the scale.
You know what works better and is way cheaper? Test.... lol
enjoy your heart disease and baldness pham
Most people who train for a long time and still look like shit have terrible eating habits.
>Too many/too few calories
>Inconsistent - eating on point 17 weeks per year
>No real data from which to make a change (all guesswork)
I was already bald, and I'm a fireman I have a life expectancy of about 65 anyways so if it gets me first it will probably only be beating the cancermost of us get. In reality I do use it conservatively, I've never been over 400mg a week and get awesome gains out of that, if you look into it the dangers just aren't that high at low dose
>girls
>what girls want
>blah blah
Little weak minded faggot, you know what girls want? Men that don't give a shit what they want, get fucking shredded you little bitch stop being such a fucking bitch
Seriously, you all make me sick to my stomach with my
G-girls
Just fucking go for it idiot, you think you're gonna wake up one day too big for girls? Imbecile.
so you cruise all year round ?
Thats when you realise you simply canot be huge as natty if you don't have good genetics.
This is the time you realise you can't fix your ugliness or whatever issue you have with the gym.
Gym is a place to blow off your steam, be healthy and in the meantime get some muscles and look above average in clothing and lighting years better than average when naked.
I used to do that too, obssessing over my numbers, routine, frequency all that shit, now I do single PPL once a week, hit my weighted pull ups, OHP, bench, deadlift, squat some dumbbell for my arms and delts, cables for back chest and thats it.
I look probbably just a little bit worse than before but I am weaker by large margin.
Also, to add something, I see many anons here trying to fix their issues by gyming and therefore obssesing about every little thing( literally 90% of people on Veeky Forums including me).
Sad thing is, with that time spent on gym, you maybe can go from 4/10 to a 5/10 to a girl, because face>everything else.
You would be better be focusing on your academic success because money is happiness or spend that time clubbing, socialising with people or doing some fun group hobby.
Don't plan a day around gym, gym should be irrelevant thing to you, thing you dont even have to think about it if you are outside it.