>did heavy deads on the previous workout >warming up on squats >final warmup set with 150kg before I begin my working sets >feels light as fuck going down >old lower back injury flares up >feels like I've been shived >don't have the safety bars up and no one is spotting me obviously >push the weight up despite the pain, which now spreads to my entire lower back >wake up today barely mobile >can't even bend over due to muscle contracture in the lower back
God fucking dammit, I thought I was over this shit. I was squatting and deadlifting 5plate beltless when I was bulking. Gonna have to take a few days off gym and work cause I can't even put my socks on without effort.
However, I won't be doing any heavy deads or squats for the next few weeks at least. What can I do to replace them? I'm thinking leg press + hack squat machine for the squat, but what about deadlifts? Hyperextensions + more upper back work?
My personal experience led me to avoid deadlifts, squats are pretty fine however. I have an herniated disc, lower back of course.
Jordan Butler
Yeah, I get that. I had a similar injury 2 years ago but I pushed on and came back stronger then before, and the pain disappeared. This shit really caught me by surprise. I'm guessing the stress of the diet + not recovering enough from the deadlifts caused it. Thankfully I don't have a hernia.
Xavier Martinez
Eschew diddy and do your squat at a lower weight (weight that doesn't make you struggle on the first rep).
Don't do leg press unless you want a trip to Snap City.
Nathan Baker
i don't believe you could squat and deadlift 5 plates, yet would come here to ask such a basic question
Brayden Lopez
Only answer I got for you is that your weightlifting hobby is gunna have to be put on hold for a year.
Noah Adams
That's stupid. Squatting with a lower back injury is going full retard.
Hey, I'm just asking for opinions. In the past I've just gotten back on the horse and started deadlifting and squatting as soon as I could bend over again. However, I don't want to do that again and risk fucking myself up even more.
My back routine is basically just deads + weighed pullups/chinups + heavy rows. Removing deadlifts leaves a pretty big hole and I don't believe hyperextensions are enough to fill it.
Camden Ross
>don't have the safety bars up and no one is spotting me obviously Then you drop the weight behind you dipshit. It'll make a loud noise and possibly ruin the bar, but that's nothing compared to a lifetime of back problems.
I'd gladly pay for a new barbell and plates if it saved my back.
Christopher Williams
I have muscle inflammation, not a hernia, mate. 3 months and I'll be at my previous power level.
Isaac Cooper
hyperextensions are not enough to fill it
hyperextensions, direct hamstring work, direct glute work, direct grip work, and trap work is a good start
not sure if you want to even fuck with hyperextensions depending on the type of injury and i would imagine RDLs are out as far as hamstring movements go
Asher Thompson
You're stupid.
Dominic Thomas
My back was already damaged so that would have done nothing. I couldn't drop it anyway because I do lowbar.
Dylan Martinez
you just claimed leg press is a guaranteed trip to snap city, but have the audacity to stick around and give more advice? fuck off retard
Ethan Clark
>My back was already damaged so that would have done nothing Are you fucking stupid? >my back is damaged so I should damage it more Also it's MUCH easier to drop weight when doing lowbar. Are you seriously retarded? Lowbar means it's mostly supported by your hands, and letting go with your hands allows the bar to drop.
I'm glad you hurt your back retard.
Gavin Torres
Well, I do all that stuff anyway so I'll be good, I guess.
Explain how doing squats when I can't even bend over to put my shoes on is a good idea, you fucking retard.
Aiden Hall
Dumb gymcel.
>buttwink at any ROM >risk of snapping your knees at heavier weight
Grayson Brooks
>easier to drop the bar at a wider angle >these are the kind of people giving advice on Veeky Forums
Benjamin Walker
You could try eat a bunch of oranges and spinach.
Colton Green
"mostly supported by your hands"
yeah try supporting 405 mostly with your hands
fuck off retard
look up stu mcgill's back mechanic book as well
Thomas Gonzalez
Literally just let go with your hands. You're also a fucking retard for not having the safties up. >these are the kind of retards asking for advice on Veeky Forums
Nathan Nelson
>butt wink >on leg press
How the fuck do you manage to be so fucking incompetent?
Leo Martinez
buttwink occurs when the ROM is excessive - solution: don't strive for maximum ROM, or do single-leg leg press (makes it impossible to round lower back)
>risk of snapping knees
you saw a webm of a hypermobile woman on Veeky Forums, and are so inexperienced and dogshit stupid you think this presents a legitimate risk to a normal human performing leg press
please get hit by a car tomorrow and exit the human gene pool, you deserve death and your entire bloodline deserves death
Jacob Allen
You realize your BACK supports the bar when doing lowbar, not your hands, right? They're just there for stabilization. Christ.
I will, thanks.
Dylan Wright
>yeah try supporting 405 mostly with your hands I farmers walk 500lbs, does that count? You're resting part of it on your back, but it's only staying up due to your hands being there.
Eli Hernandez
>You realize your BACK supports the bar when doing lowbar, No, that's highbar dumbass.
Henry White
Sauce on OP pic: Joy from Sweden
Angel Ward
>you saw a webm of a hypermobile woman on Veeky Forums
I think you're the only one inexperienced here if that's the only webm you can talk about, fag. I think you might also be dyslexic. I said risk of snapping knees at heavier weight. Keyword "heavier weight".
Matthew Hughes
>I farmers walk 500lbs, does that count? No.
>traps >back
Just leave.
Daniel Gray
get hit by a car, captcha related
Isaiah Campbell
Kek. Don't reply if you don't know how to argue with other people, buddy.
Jaxson Turner
No, he's right. You have no idea what you're talking about. The only way you'd snap your knees is if you either had a knee problem or you trying to do a retarded amount of weight.
Chase Green
Again, reread my statement.
Nathan Jones
you mean for preventing the bar from rolling off your back? lowbar squat without your hands for me and if at any point you need to use them then youre wrong. and if you dont need to use them then you probably arent low bar squatting ok
Aaron King
Heavier weight =/= retarded weight. Going 100lb over your squat max isn't a problem, going double your squat max would be.
Adrian Sanders
your symptoms sound exactly like when i ruptured my l5/s1
Gabriel Walker
I need to use my hands to keep the bar stable, yeah, but my back is carrying the load.
Btw, letting a 150 kilo bar roll off my freshly injured back sounds like a great idea. I'm sure it wouldn't hurt at all.
Brayden Gomez
what if your max squat was 100lbs?
Lincoln Bell
Nah, this happened to me before. It's an inflammed nerve ending.
Eli Gonzalez
You're probably a girl, then. Then again, I've seen girls do over 200lb on the leg press.
Jace Roberts
Not saying you don't do it, but taking stretching/foam rolling seriously and properly warming up have helped me massively.
I do foam rolling and stretching before bed everyday.
Pre workout i wear a hoodie and track suit and and do 20 mins of rowing to get really sweaty, then i do a 10 min warm up of stretching and stupid kettle bell hip shit before i do my warm up sets.
Its really annoying and probably overkill but i haven't had a injury since
Ryder Harris
where did you learn your stretching routine/have any good resources?
Brandon Reyes
not to stabilize it, to keep it in place. stabilize means keep from wiggling around. your hands are holding up a shelf.
also you can move forward so it goes straight down instead of rolling on your back or as you drop it off jist straighten out your back socit wont roll on your back. either youre legitimately retarded or this is just a troll thread hav fun dummi *farts in yur mouf*
Dylan Parker
I hurt my back warming up for deadlifts. Do reverse hypers and light good mornings, also work on your glutes, most liklely your back is over compensation for your glutes, when you back get's better focus all your lower body training on gaining mass in your glutes. I recommend doing hip thrusts and sumo straight leg deadlifts. Also invest in a belt, it keeps your shit tight
Gabriel Anderson
Who is this semen demon?
Andrew Thomas
>thinks his hands can actually hold a bar weighing hundreds of lbs >calls someone else retarded
Basically get hot and put light weight on the muscles that assist your lifts, rotator cuff , hip flexors etc
Brayden Taylor
That's some good advice, but unfortunatelly my glutes are not the problem. They're already overdeveloped. I think my real problem is my core, which just refuses to grow I have a 29-30 inch waist at 200+ lbs.
Lincoln Collins
youre probably a degenerate monkey brain or messing with me but lets go. imagine a triangle with a right angle and flat top that makes a right angle with a vertical segment. the diagnol line is your hand and pushes against the top part (the shelf) in an advantageous way that uses the wall(your back and the vertical line) to bare the full load. using your hands for a squat is the same concept. now tell me youre a retard and stick your hands back in your mouf *farts on your sandwich*
Andrew Wood
Joy from Sweden, an ex-/soc/whore. She has a masturbation video on motherless and a complete set on Sauceftw.
Liam Wilson
Seems to work for me too. I was taught under the tutelage of my brother who has been lifting for 7 years (me two and a half now), I spend around 15 minutes warming up doing some dynamic stretches, hip and shoulder mobilization and what not, and we've never been injured by lifting.
The guys who come in and go straight to the squat rack with no warm up (one set of 5 with the bar) are always the ones with shit form complaining about "yeah I can't squat at the moment, hurts my x".
Dylan Hughes
where was your back injured
Ian Torres
Stop shitting up the thread, mongoloid. Nobody's buying your trolling.
Lower back, just above the glutes.
Lucas Jones
I'm new and definitely want to incorporate stretching and mobility work to my routine, but was once told stretching before a workout is detrimental to performance because you're already working the muscle fibers?
Hunter Bailey
>wat is dis logical expwanation, me have peehead and dont understand dat if i remoof hand bar fall off?
heh me no need hand on lo bar skwirrt! >removes hands and bar starts rolling off back >tries to catch it but since the bar gained momentum it continues with bars in hands >your slow reaction time since you cant even think to jump out ofba squat at the bottom causes you to continur holding onto the bar >you go falling down backwards with the bar and slam your head on the ground >you die on impact and your body lies there bleeding
knock knock *puts penis inside your mouth and yu glug down my sperm* ok thx!
Joseph Moore
>this is what passes for trolling on neo-fit
Kevin Butler
Should've just stopped and dropped the weight anyway desu. You fucked up senpai
Anthony Cook
Never said its holding 100s of lbs. If you understood basic middle school sciences you would know the arms are only supporting a small fraction of the weight but if they werent there then gravity would start causing the bar to roll off your back which is holding most of the weight. Boy, the education system failed you, your weightlifting failed you, and I bet you are a major fail whale at a whole lot mor haha
Chase Reyes
impossible dumbass, the human bidy is incapable of holding heavy weights on hand, hands are for tuch big tity xd
It's impossible to drop the bar when you're leaning forward due to a pain spike in your lower back, retards. Do you subhumans seriously think I would have went "lol let me just lift it up even though every pain receptor in my core just went up to 11" even though I can drop it safely? Christ, stop shitting up the thread.
Jose Edwards
Why are you still posting here if you're not trolling? You can't even understand why it's easier to slip out of highbar.
Cooper Morgan
Nah that's blown out of proportion. I don't remember the specifics, but basically they stretched their hamstrings for a long time and then IMMEDIATELY tried to jump as hard as they could or exert power in some way, and it was less than if they were cold.
Basically do more dynamic stretches and when you do static ones don't overdo it.
I do something like this for my hips. youtube.com/watch?v=JBHzXF-mVjY And I drop into a pigeon pose at the end Squatting without warming up feels awful for me.
Nathaniel Foster
the irony
squat with safeties, bad idea to do it without
inb4 some oly memester says to ditch it
i've been lifting for 8 years and as you just found out, it's not always possible to do so
Nolan Sanders
>buttwink at any ROM learn basic leg press form >risk of snapping your knees ...have you ever done a leg press? or set foot in a gym?
do not give advice if you are in month 3 of starting strength
Easton Campbell
>squat with safeties, bad idea to do it without
Yeah. I arrogantly thought I didn't need them since I was still warming up. Wasn't wearing a belt either. Live and learn, I guess.
Jacob White
oh, so you were doing an imromptu good morning? you can still bail out even if youre bent forward anyways.us shitting up the thread is telling your fragile bitch ego that you did some stupid shit. fucking safe space wanabe cuck
Mason Jones
I hope you find yourself in the same position someday, memeboy. Though I doubt you could injure yourself with you're 185lb high bar 1RM.
Carson Lopez
so i take it that youre admitting youre a retard that doesnt know a lick about physics any 10 year old can understand? that other person wasnt me and i think it is easier tp slip out of higbar. gz retard you completeli retard haha *farts down your throat and yu drink it all up*
Wyatt Foster
Not every gym has racks with safeties.
Hunter Gonzalez
ive bailed 450 lb lowbar bent forward before xddddddd and mt back os perfectly healthy too. enjoy being a dumb cunt and i hope your back injury ends up being serious so you lose most of your mobility in your upcoming years *gives you a nice warm fart in your hands*
Owen Kelly
weird shit happens
if you get bent forward enough you're not bailing out of shit, and getting bent forward is probably the most common mode of unexpected failure
misgroove something, get injured, pajeet walks into your bar, etc
just put the damn safeties on, you are not clarence0, nobody is impressed
Parker Walker
Watch the legpress with a lower back injury, it's actually really bad for that, try lunges holding dumbbells, less of a load on the spine
Caleb Ward
Rude. I hope you're crippled for life m8.
Jose Edwards
Also op, I believe you lol, I'll get accused of the estats too but I squat 4 plate and deadlift 6 with a bum ass back, I actually feel better doing it than not though, keeping a strong back and core keeps my shit together, I have a torn disk at l5 and l3 and 4 are buldged, about a year ago doc wanted to cut me open I told him to fuck off and lifted hard and got my shit back, I also started frauding cause I had low t, opiate use and chronic pain are bad for that, I dropped the opiates hit a trt dose of test and my shit healed up pretty quick
Adam Adams
Yeah, I'll be careful with the leg press. I never really like lunges though. They feel more like cardio than weight lifting to me.
Gabriel Brooks
I'm not expert on this, but I think Deca is best for joint relief.
Jack James
Thanks for the advice breh
Lincoln Thompson
i have perfectly constructed the forward neck snapping ballout method fug yu
also calrence doesnt squat not in a rack to impress people sorry mate he isnt lukin cool just for yu. yu think im cool do 0W0
Caleb Ortiz
Yeah I hit a little npp, not enough to grow but it worked wonders, problem is is it doesn't last, you come off and it goes back to normal. I heard osterine and eq both do a pretty good job too but with just the lifting and me stretching and foam rolling I'm doing pretty good for a guy that was supposed to go under the knife for his back
Ethan Bell
I hope it doesn't go that far for me. I haven't had serious problems in a couple of years before this happened, but I managed to come back stronger last time and I'm sure I can do it again.
Landon Ortiz
is your squat limited by your back because your deadlift is muchb better
Daniel Watson
Not him, but deadlift is always better
Michael Thomas
>dirt under her nails
Brandon Fisher
that ain't dirt m9
Robert Sullivan
A U T I S M
Connor Thompson
if his deadlift is much better than his squat, his squat is not limited by his back
his squat is most likely limited by his shitty squat leverages (which happen to be advantageous deadlift leverages)
not always, depends on leverages
Luis Miller
Sounds like Lumbaco acuta. There is a muscle called Quadratus lumborum in the lower back and its basically in a cramp state. Nothing to be worried about honestly but it shows that you have bad form OR muscle inbalances.
Massaging or foam rolling your legs can help the pressure off of your lower back.
Robert Robinson
My doctor said it was a pinched nerve. My form was fine, I wasn't even going heavy yet. It's more likely due to the diet + not recovering from the heavy deadlift session I had on the previous workout.
Nolan Lewis
can't believe women like this exist
Angel Russell
>doing leg presses
never gonna make it
Austin Anderson
What would you suggest, meme master?
John Green
It's a mix, it's partially my leverages I've always squared poorly comparatively to my other lifts but I do worse with the load on top of my spine, for whatever reason it doesn't feel as bad when it's in my hands, it's moving up just slowely, I'll always be disproportionate in the lifts though my dead moves up quicker.
Jason Perry
Feels like you been shived. Decide to keep doing what you were doing regardless. Perhaps this is a good way to weed autism out of the gene pool.
Daniel Carter
>he fell for the deadlift meme
Xavier Ortiz
Why the fuck didn't you just dump the bar? If it's a choice between snap city and ditching a bar, even without bumper plates or risking being kicked out the gym, well that ain't no choice at all.
Ethan Barnes
There simply must be more of this woman. Google gives me nothing
Tyler Stewart
For fuck's sake. If you had read through the thread you would have known I couldn't drop the bar because lowbar + bent over from the sudden pain.
Sophie Mudd.
Hunter Murphy
take an alieve and do cardio/stretching for the day then before bed put your shower on your lower back till right before it starts to burn. then switch it to ice cold. when you wake up the next day you should be alright. if not then you should be worried.