Bald = masculine?

It's not, you retarded fuck.

is this bait?

well, true.. some are milfs.
They got lowered expectations I guess.
as long as dick and balls work.

Can confirm.

half of balding is having testosterone
the other half is the hair follicles being sensitive to testosterone
in other words you could be low test but the follicles could be super sensitive and you will bald anyway

wrong cucky, balding is from Dihydrotestosterone

Somethin you have to account for is the shape of the head.

My buddy was balding, and he just buzzed his off. It looks better because he looked terrible before, but that guy just has no good options. His skull makes this big dip in the middle so it looks kind of like a two-humped camel back from the side.

I didn't say shit because I could tell he was a little insecure about it, but god damn he's got an ugly head.

>Dihydrotestosterone
>Dihydro
>testosterone
>testosterone with 2 extra hydrogen

It's literally about how sensitive your hair follicles are to DHT, you fucking idiot

why don't you ask a chemist if oxygen changes when you add 2 extra hydrogen to each molecule

:^)

less test correlates with less DHT as free test is converted to DHT

error-shit doesn't make sense try again

hurr durr

DHT is derived from test, but guess what cucklord, you can also take DHT by itself. it's called winstrol, but guess what, you can HALT conversion of test to DHT with DRUGS making them not the same in the real world and def. not the same on paper

Look what it does to karl urban.

Yes it does.

I am shaved, number 1 ontop and 0 fade on sides/back. Makes me look more mature/masculine/intimidating.

Other haircuts made me look 18(im 23)

>implying you can compare a complex molecule/hormone to diatomic molecule
lel
2 extra hydrogen for testosterone just make a more potent testosterone, 2 extra hydrogen added to O2 make something different from the first two elements entirely

Im no chem major but I think I know a thing or two more than you

I don't think you understand what I'm saying. DHT implies the presence of free test and the more of it you have the more is going to get converted. It's not saying that all bald guys have high test levels but that, on average, the subset of bald men is going to have higher test levels than non-bald.

Why do you think people go on DHT blockers when pinning test you stupid faggot

no it just means you're desperate and aging

>desperate because you look manly

how autisitic was your mother for your dad to squirt you inside her?

Literally autism is within your soul.

yeah whatever dude maybe if you take enough rogaine you can become a human being again

stop pretending you are right, next you're gunna tell me that your brain functions on CO2 because oxygen gets converted into it

>DHT implies the presence of free test and the more of it you have the more is going to get converted.
everyone has different conversion rates so this is false, you just contradicted yourself because guess what, lots of guys take test, don't take anything for dht and don't have balding

just keep spitting out more falsehoods to protect the fact you were wrong to begin with and maybe some user will think you are smart

As a baldlet
Fuck no, i'd kill an innocent person if it'd mean getting my hair back. Being bald in your 20s fuck even 30s is fucking depressing. Everybody who says bald=masculnie is either a baldcuck that tries to fool himself or a fag that never went bald. Any of you fags in this thread who'd say otherwise pls give me your personal info so we can schedule hair transplant, i gladly will take your hair if you think you'll look good without it.

No I didn't. If you pin test there is a good chance that it's going to elevate your DHT levels to a point of accelerating hair loss. Anyone with experience takes blockers as a safeguard.

>duh hurr muh individual dictating the rule

No amount of pseudo snark and anime reaction images is going to change the fact that you're an illogical idiot that can't even follow what I'm saying. I'm not saying you automatically have high test if you're balding.

>google "top strongmen"
>80% have receding hairlines or baldness

yep, no correlation with test whatsoever

keep deluding yourself pretty boys

balding is seen as a disease. it shows a sign of weak genetics. all humans look better with a hairline. it is true that some look better with their hair buzzed very short, but not balding or bald.

my hairline is receding rapidly and I am only 18 so it makes me want to give up on life. i lost my motivation to lift because of it and have only been going 3-4x week instead of the usual 5. and when i go i always get depressed when i see my hairline in the mirror.

i still have enough hair to run cover up game, but i expect to be norwood 3 by the end of next year at this rate. and by the time i even turn 20 i expect to be a nw6 cuck.

what is life? everything was going so great. why does God hate me? anyways, should i just go on fin? since i'm 18 and still developing, i'm hesitant to take it but when i turn 21 i'm jumping on that shit ASAP, if it's not too late or i don't kill myself by then yet

>more is going to get converted.
to
>there is a good chance

guess what

>there is a good chance

you are full of shit

hair reacts to DHT, period.

in a person naturally DHT is converted from test.

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the other half is the hair follicles being sensitive to testosterone
in other words you could be low test but the follicles could be super sensitive and you will bald anyway
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^this is not true, follicles can't be sensitive to something they don't react to

DHT != Testosterone

Testosterone * x = DHT

if x is 0 then there is no relation, in the instance of use of inhibitor

if Testosterone is 0 but exogenous DHT is introduced hair is affected

Just putting this out there for all the anons confused by this retarded hack who think if they take test their hair is 100% fucked or that if they take winny it won't fuck their hair because
>not test

l8r

:^)

The loss is from DHT buildup in the scalp, not a fucking "reaction" like lightning zapping the hair on contact. It builds up and binds to the follicle. More test means more DHT means more buildup means more fucked up hair. If you hair is already really susceptible to this binding it's true that it's not going to take a lot of DHT to affect it.

Fun fact: women have small amounts of test and DHT but do not experience MPB levels of hair loss because it's not fucking enough.

Really sorry to burst your bubble, I know you were already with your new trip and reaction image folder to make a name for yourself as Veeky Forums's new resident know it all faggot

>Dihydrotestosterone
How is this different this compound is basicly a stronger version of test

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lul

I was exactly like you, severely balding at 18 already. Now I'm 23 and have to go full bald (0mm) unless I want to look like a 40+ pathetic old man. Luckily I have ad ecent head shapoe but still insecure af, but I'm moving pretty far for uni this fall and in the summer I'm gonna get a toupee. It sounds ridic but they are amazing nowadays, look up some on youtube and also cheap

lol

he's covering up a receding hairline with that hairstyle you moron

look at how it splays around the forehead from a central point

well user

>another receding hairline and thinness

your best "counter examples" are literally proving my point

you are out of your league here poopdick

let me know if i should keep going

>another receding hairline

>tfw balding with big dip in the middle
i'm fucked for eternity

>trying to teach me about biochemestry when you don't even know there is a differnce between compounds and their derivatives
>to make a name for yourself as Veeky Forums's new

You are really getting pathetic, go look at yourself in the mirror m8

there are a couple million men who have never touched gear in their lives who would like a word with you

ahahahaha
sucks man

im totally bald at 25 though, just get on with life, i know its hard but your affliction is bald, could have been a deformed face or no legs or a tiny penis

Everyone has some problem

But also a full shave always looks better than long and balding. Never keep that.

please post more receding hairlines with hair strategically styled to mitigate the look

it's proven that you have no idea what you are even talking about since you can't detect mid-stage balding

balding from age is normal in men... whats not normal in men is being a little shit talker online, user please submit a picture of yourself along with your full name and address I wish to have you participate in a study of little shit talking cunts who only act tough online.

thanks.

>balding from age is normal in men
Nobody denies that, problem starts when you're 18 and your hairline is the same as the 40 year old guy. Nobody cares if you're bald/balding when you're 40 with wife and kids, people care when you're 20

yeah i might have to do the same when it gets worse. it sucks that i'm also going to uni in fall and will have a new roommate and all that college shit— and i have to experience it while balding. i was close to having a gf (we're still talking now, but the insecurity is haunting me and made me cancel plans with her many times because of a bad hair day) i also had many girls call me good looking and always compliment my hair, and now that won't be the case. i will be invisible to all women. my life is literally over before i even graduate high school :/

it also doesn't make sense because my grandpa had a good head of hair until he was in his late 40s and still looks good now and while my dad is a nw7, there are pictures of him when he was fucking 24 years old with a perfect hairline. WTF IM ONLY 18 WITH A NORWOOD 2?!?

my plan is to do as many natural methods to keep my hairline strong now(which they haven't been working) and to hopefully have enough hair by the time i'm 21 or 22 to take finasteride and then getting a hair transplant in turkey or south korea for cash. i already have 4k saved up for it. i will get a toupee definitely if this doesn't work. balding or bald= death.

if you love your hair that much just jump on finasteride and minoxidil, or save up for hair transplant

we are talking about guys who are near 40 who have the hairline of 40 year old men

Oh, then keep talking. I thought you peple were discussing people in their 20s.

this. you're as old as your hairline in some cases. a balding 20 year old looks like he is in his 30s if gen doesn't have a good looking face. balding usually happens with aging so most men over 30 have some degree or make pattern baldness. There was a kid in my high school who was in my 11 grade class, so we were like 16 or 17, and he had long hair while diffuse thinning. it was not a good sight and i can't help but feel sorry for him

>jump on finasteride and minoxidil,
Don't, just save for hairtransplant. I had Some missing hair in front, typical early stages, decided to jump on fin + buzzing for easier aplictaion. After one year of taking it i grew my hair back and it looked fucking horrible. Litteraly my hair started falling out becasue of finn but i didn't notice becasue i was buzz cutting. Now the only thing that can save me is hair transplant and if that won't work, hello perma buzz cut. Finn is a waste of time and moeny, + it can accelarte your balding. Just save for hair trasnplant and be done with it or accept your shitty fate.

>and now that won't be the case. i will be invisible to all women. my life is literally over before i even graduate high school :/
boohoo here's a song on the worlds smallest violin.

No, get over yourself, no one cares, only you care.

You don't have to shave it but at least buzz it short and keep it neat, most people don't even realise you are balding until you have a significant amount of loss, which Norwood 2 is not because hair is still in the middle.

Fuck off hairlet, go wash your hair.

Im completely bald, i have many friends and ex girlfriends and a current girlfriend.

If you think all value in life is tied to your hair then you're in for a rough time.

I don't care whether it is alpha or not. I have a buzzcut because I hate to deal with hair styling and paying ((((barbers)))).

finasteride might fuck with the rest of my development. my dick is 6.5x4.8 and i think i'm done growing there and my libido is really really high so having it decreased would actually be a good thing, but the thing that worries me is how suppressing the amount of DHT will affect things like my clavicle width and wrist size. frame continues to increase in your twenties and my face might not be fully developed yet either. does anyone know if DHT is linked to any of this other than dick size?

decreasing the amount of test will obviously have consequences if you're still developing. Take it if you want, but know that it may cause developmental problems.

I'd do this, if I was sure that I'll not look like shit with a buzzcut.

finasteride actually increases test slightly. it decreases dihydrotestosterone production in the body, which i read that it is not that important after puberty, which i honestly doubt is true.

It might not be important to the average numale normie, but to somebody who wants to build muscle and wants a bigger frame, it will definitely matter

uh huh suuure baldlet. what i'm saying is that hair is important when you're young like me. if i was a bald 40 year old who had hair when i was in my twenties, i would not care because i would probably have a wife and kids by then and lived a good young life. no woman under the age of 25 wants anything to do with a baldcel, that means i'm stuck being the beta provider cuck who will only be able to get 25+ years old sluts who are passed their prime and look old in chad's eyes.

Started balding, after which my mates took it upon themselves to shave my head during a drunken night. Kinda liked the way it looked, so I stuck with it. Girls seem to like it, as long as I stay tanned and fit. 9/10 would recommend.

Wew lad, talk about gettick wrecked.

I'm bald at 24. What I'm saying is you're making pathetic excuses for your failings because you blame everything on your falling hair. Your whole life is surely ruined and you can do nothing ever again! And you have the cheek to call me baldlet when you're balding.

All your arguments i made and thought when i was losing it, my hair started to fall out at 16. I know entirely what you're going through but in a few years you'll realise your spend all this time being a whiny beta cuck blaming everything on follicles when you could have just got out there and done whatever you want because no one fucking cares about your head except you.

Post a pic, i bet your hair isn't even that bad, when i was 20 i thought my hair was so thin and awful and now looking at photos i realise i had thick enough hair that most people wouldnt pick up on it.

Jesus dude go outside

If you're bald or shaved you'll look more intimidating/masculine relative to what you may look like with hair, but whether or not you're described as intimidating/masculine will depend on what the rest of your body looks like.

Being bald or imitating it is inherently masculine since it's so prevalent in men compared to women. The only thing more inherently masculine is having a dong.

is that you? no homo, looks good. i don't think I have the genetics to pull off a bald head. my head is pretty big, but i guess i have no choice. ill probably get drunk one night this year and shave it all off too

Yeah, it's me. Don't worry about head size man, just take the plunge and see it as an additional motivation to get fuckhuege and ripped.

>more potent test
no amount of testosterone without DHT will affect hair, so please continue to try to explain how the two are comparable to a receptor

please be stupider, it's funny, i'm bored.

>seething this hard that you start hallucinating

The trips in this thread are cringy
kys

Couple of geared up fucking losers who think their big fish in this relatively tiny pond but would get completely blown out and laughed out of 99% of every other lifting forum on the planet.

Let them feel pumped up and bad ass. We need a few characters to lighten things up on the board.

hes wearing a fucking rug

Protip: Stop grinning like you've put a roofie in some poor girl's drink.

>posting

Since this is kind of on topic to the material in this thread. Did any of you ever try or know anything about RU 58841 for hair loss?

One of many magical specifics that does onthing except making you feel better. Just don't. Go to your dermatologist and ask for a nice shampoo and some other cosmetics to make your hair stronger and start saving for a hair transplant. Untill there will be specific that guarantees you will get your hair back don't bother with that. I've wasted 1000 buckaroos on finn and other magical specifics and it didn't do shit, i think that it even accelerated my hairloss.
Get a hair transplant but do it with a non invasive method that doesn't leave scars in case it won't work. My doctor recomended something called SAFER. Apparently french made a machine that pulls individual hair from your head without leaving any sort of mark. Ask a dermatologist who can operate with that a possible price for your transplant and start collecting money.

Clearly not a female point of view

Some bodies just can't handle the testosterone.

>4 scoops

I already have a bit saved up I could drop on a hair transplant. but I doubt american surgeons would operate on me if i'm not on fin or anti dht drugs because I think I have my dad's pattern and he is nw7. i think it would be cheaper to vacation to a city in turkey or south korea and get it done there. I saw a thread on a forum where a guy that was nw2.5 went to a thick perfect nw0 hairline (it looked almost too square) and he was young when he got the operation. The FUE method seems pretty safe and scar free because it's not taking a huge strip like FUT and it gets easier hidden by the hair. my hope is something comes out in the near future that allows surgeons to create or clone hair follicles instead of transplanting.

Don't know about the others but with safer you actually have to stop taking any sort of medication for hair loss such as finn or anything. My dermatologist told me those speficis make more blood go to your scalp which makes operating harder but just ask your guy etc. don't spend time on some forums just go ask specialists. My dermatologist told me that i have to stop taking any sort of medicatons for hair grow 2 months before the operation.

nah. I started balding when I was 20. I felt like you did, like life was over etc etc. Still managed to get with some hot girls and have secks. and my hairline is totally fucked. it's all about just going for it. I struggle sometimes too, but at the end of the day, what you're gonna just sit inside and mope all day because you're balding? it'll be fine. especially in Europe, so many people are balding over there compared to amerifats. Worst comes to worst, you just get a transplant

Pic is me and my JUST hairline, not very successful with women but you can definitely still get lid if you have a nice body

well then i should get a new dermatologist. mine only looked at my hair for a few seconds and then said it's either minoxidil, fin or both, or the choice of going bald. He told me that out of his 200 patients aging from 18 to late 60s that take finasteride, 0 of them had ANY side effects. he also told me there is no such thing as a mini shed when starting to take minoxidil and that it doesn't do anything to the collagen production when there are many people experiencing rapid aging, thinner skin,and dark circles while on rogaine. i think he might be a shill for hair loss products tbqhwy. i'll see a new derm next week to see what they say.

my temples look exactly the same just that i have brown hair. my hair is only starting to recede and thin in the front part of the hairlines since like a week or two ago. ik im exaggerating a little about my balding, but i'm also only 18 years old, in high school, and from a suburb in america that's filled with chads with perfect hairlines. ik it's different in europe because I have been to russia, poland, and ukraine and a high hairline and balding gene is definitely more prominent in slavs.

do you have hair falling out? for me it rarely falls out, maybe one hair every two or three times i run my hand through my hair, which i think is normal, yet it is still receding at the temples and now miniaturizing at the front part of the hairline. my crown is still perfect though.

Let me make this clear: it will not look good. It will look like thin hair.

Pic related is a top doctor with an oil baron rich as fuck dad. He also had nearly no hairloss. This is the absolute top you can expect of a transplant. It's like very thin hair.

Its not like they dont respect ya man. But they figure youre around to party and have a good time, not get shit done. Get a jarhead cut. Youll look like a tool, but a serious tool.

Same.
Also motorcycle helmet, money, time, and it does make you look more masculine. Which isn't always a good thing, I think I intimidate normies :( prob just autism tho.

Alright, so at risk of being a faggot because I responded to this thread and face posting, I would say that yes, hair loss is correlated with higher test levels. However, your genetics may dictate how much DHT and other androgen derivatives tend to be in your system.

Case in point, my test levels are totally natural but 2300+ ng/dL. Im 22 and hairline is receeding like crazy.

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Apoligies for weird lighting from bus. I will post a normal one if you fags want.

your fucking nose makes me want to kick your shit in