How to solve the american problem

more money for the state

nice try commie
>inb4 ameritard
I'm not

>Fat tax
This has been tried multiple times already and keeps getting voted down not only by representatives but also when put to the public in propositions, eg in CA.

>In 2009, the Obama Administration explored levying an excise tax on sweetened beverages as part of health care reform efforts, but the proposal was abandoned after heavy lobbying by the beverage industry.
>In 2010, New York State considered a soda tax, however opposition from the soda industry and economists made a strong antitax campaign, spending at least double of the tax supporters, so the plan failed.
>In 2012, the City Council of Richmond, California placed the soda tax on the November 2012 ballot along with an advisory measure asking voters how they would like to spend the tax revenue.[89] This proposal was rejected by the voters with 67% NO 33% YES.

People really like their shit food

>Fat tax
Japan has a 2.8% unemployment rate. The US has 4.4. You want to know who is making up the majority of fat people? Hint: it's not people that are wealthy. You think this will be a deterrent, but it will literally just create further government leeches as people seek untaxable income through social benefits. There's a huge cultural and economic difference that needs to be considered before thinking taking people's money away will do something.

>Socialised gyms
>This will ensure that everyone, young and old, can afford exercising, and hopefully make less people take steroids or other substances to avoid the fat tax.
You know how many people pay for a gym membership and just don't go? Having the taxpayers provide a gym won't ensure people going, and it sure as shit won't prevent people from roiding.

>Add regulations to make sure unhealthy food is harder to afford. Sell more varied and unique healthy food, so that people won't get tired of it. And also ban soda and low quality fast food chains like mcdonalds
Go to an American grocery store. It's got a good variety of fruit, veg and healthy meats. And people who know how to shop know that these items are ultimately cheaper than processed crap. The reason the other foods are purchased is convenience/laziness as well as lack of education in shit like cooking and food prep. Banning foods outright just denies it to those who can easily consume it in moderation and who do have a sense of self-control.

The problem is much more complicated than your high school level thinking of "taxes and bans, bro"

youtube.com/watch?v=fISgKl8dB3M

Wow, I wonder what must be making their lives so stressful.
Maybe if they were attractive and capable of walking up stairs without feeling ill, there would be less pressure for them to eat more.

Fuck off with your fat acceptance bullshit, trying to blame anything but the fat fucks for their own condition.

What if we make our sticky more popular? Like, post it everywhere on social media. It's pretty convincing

>stop fucking fat chicks
here problem solved, if they will not breed, they will die out eventually

>make trash food more expensive and good food more accessible
>Add regulations to make sure unhealthy food is harder to afford.
evwrything but this
at that point you're just penalizing everyone, not just your target. also there's no need for high expenses, just educate people on how to fucking live properly.

Strip fat people of citizenship and remove them.

>muh taxes and social programs

Never work. Just remove them from the country.

i sent the sticky to my gf and she said its too much reading for her.

nothing wrong with shit food, people can eat what they want.
the problem lies in the people who eat shit food, self-control, self-dicipline and education

>People really like their shit food
This happens because American politics is dominated by lobbyists, in any actual democracy it would have been very different

we could drain their money instead of them draining us

When almost 70% of the population is considered clinically obese, there is a problem with shit food and people clearly aren't capable of making good decisions about what they eat. It's situations like this where regulation is needed to protect people from themselves.

>inb4 triggered libertarians

Kek looks like your gf is not gonna make it

Forgot my image
>Almost 3 in 4 men are considered to be obese

give me ONE reason coca cola shouldnt be banished from the earth forever. food like juice and buns are although unhealthy, decent food for certain occasions if you know what i mean

because there is no better cheat meal than a coke and a good burger.

I wouldn't mind much though

>considered overweight OR obese
Your retarded reading comprehension doesn't help your cause. I hate fat fucks as much as the next Veeky Forumsizen, but your illiterate, autistic fascism is just tedious and edgy

good. weed out the weak

because it's not the coke's fault people are fucking retarded. the only one to blame is themself

Honestly none of these ideas would ever work in our current situation. A tax on people who already get govt handouts doesn't really do anything. Making a gym membership mandatory just means even more people will buy a Planet Fitness membership and then never go. And increasing the price of already more expensive junk food will only ruin the experience for people who consume in moderation. And don't forget that corporations have full control of a lot of politicians so they'd lobby the fuck out opposing taxes as one user pointed out already.
The only thing that may work is having an increased focus on Health in school. Making an exercise and diet class mandatory as a college gen ed would ensure people understand. I'm sure it varies depending on the area but increasing Health and PE classes from 2 to 4 years in high school would also help. Although, other than attempting to educate people I can't really think of anything that could potentially help. As someone else said we're so far into this shit that some people don't even realize they're fat. They look "average", which is fat to obese in our population.

with socialised gyms i meant the state pays for the gym, so that its free to go there.

Again, it's so easy to have a gym membership that a lot of fat people do have one. They just don't use it. If anything, taking away the cost is removing some incentive since they have no direct stake in not going

>socialized = free

t. Bernie Sanders 12 year old kid

I would love to see the nastiness that would be a gym open to the public without membership requirements.

Here's a pro tip: it'd be a hell hole full of homeless people just hiding from the cold.

>socialism = bernie xD
just have state gyms, and private gyms. and have people in the state gyms who make sure people there exercise properly.

Regulation would just lead to regulatory capture by corporation during the legislation process. Grain industry would push to ban animal products. Meat and dairy industry would push to ban grain. It would just be the same research war going in right now and some awful ineffective costly legislation would get pushed through and make no difference.

You can't fix an obesity epidemic through democracy when 70% of adults are overweight. Welcome to tyranny of the majority. You have to secede or have a revolution and make a constitutional fitness requirement in a new nation. A simple clause would be any man not fit for physical combat would lose citizenship. You could even distinctly define the terms (18+% BF for men and 26+% bf for women are excluded).

You CANNOT fix our current problems through the standard legislation process. Don't be delusional.

Would literally just be filled to the brim with the homeless. And would be crumbling cesspits that run at 5x operating cost of private gyms (like all govt programs).

Why force people to do something they don't want instead of just stripping citizenship? Allow slection to take place so we stop passing these genes.

I think the free gym idea is stupid and wouldn't work, but it would relatively cheap compared to the return cost in health IF it did work.

Alternatively spend the same money on cleaning up/creating parks with playgrounds. There is a park near me that has pull up bars and body-weight workout equipment with directions on how to use it. Mostly used by old people, but I like the idea of bringing your kids to a park and while they are playing and getting exercise, you can work out to some degree.
Then again actively promoting something like that would end up with a bunch of obese NEETs 'trying' to lose weight 25 feet from a playground, so I dunno man

It wouldn't end the obesity epidemic, no singular idea will, but a bunch of small changes like that that could potentially add up for the better I think.

Here's a "lolbertarian" answer

Get rid of socialized medicine and unchain health insurance from employers.

The more fit you are the less expensive your premium will cost because you will be a low risk for your insurer. Want to be fat? That's fine but you'll end up paying out the ass because you're an increased risk.

The vast majority of weight control comes from diet

Fatty Detected

No thanks, I don't want any more people getting the motivation to lift. My gym is crowded enough, no thanks. Fatties stay fat so I can keep my superiority.

America has poor healthcare, shitty education, and the food industry can pretty much get away with anything.

Fix healthcare and education, get truth out about the dangers of consuming too much sugar, and that will solve the problem. But none of that stuff will ever happen, so it's fucked.

That wouldn't just raise premiums on fat people, but also people with pre-existing conditions, old people, and probably women.

>inb4 that would be a good thing

This, plus OP is not considering the effects of these taxes on the macroeconomics

Still doesn't work. Insurance group pool everyone together because classification of clients is expensive. It's easy when a small group is obese. It gets hard when 70% of people are overweight. They make more money charging everyone $500/mo (fit people using basically nothing and fats using thousands per month ok average in windfall events like emergency room trips) than charging fit people $50/mo and fats a premium that they literally cannot afford (their actual cost).

>revolution
>constitutional fitness clause

It's the only way

>believing the current governmental system can fix this problem

Too fucking kek. Stay delusional

>That wouldn't just raise premiums on fat people, but also people with pre-existing conditions, old people, and probably women.

We'd probably have to go through a transition phase, but ideally you'd buy your insurance when you're young.

Something like that is going to happen one way or the other because it's mathematically inevitable. Entitlement programs are bankrupting us.

While I welcome the idea of a society based around a social obligation towards health, Could we win a civil war against the fats?
Even though we have the strength and stamina advantage, and lower resource cost, fit people are vastly outnumbered.

Maybe a cultural war would fair better.
We get loud, and visible, just like HAES does. Get our doctrine and the information needed to actually get fit in to the hands of as many people as possible.
And the hardest part for a lot of you, go back to "no fat chicks", and stop enabling fat bitches delusions of being attractive by using them as a cock holster.

What I said is what needs to be done, but it will not ever get done because the sick, fat, poor, and stupid are allowed to vote.

>fat tax
How do you enforce that? 300 million extra doctors appointments are year isn't feasible. Paying for these appointments alone would be more than the tax could ever generate

>socialized gyms
Again, almost no first world countries have these for the same reason you don't see public basketball courts or soccer fields in A league shape.
>make fast food more expensive
Australia already taxes tabbaco and fast food imports. Just another reason we're better than you fat cunts

This is such a quintessentially American response
>It couldn't work here therefore it can't work anywhere

It's already in place in numerous developed economies and showing good results.

>Hungary's tax, which came into effect in September 2011, has seen 22% of people reduce energy drink consumption and 19% of people reduce their intake of sugary-sweetened soft-drinks.
>In September 2013, Mexican president Enrique Peña Nieto, on his fiscal bill package, proposed a 10% per liter tax on all soft drinks, especially carbonated drinks... According to a 2016 study published in BMJ, annual sales of sodas in Mexico declined 6% in 2014 after the introduction of the soda tax...
>Japan implemented the 'metabo' law which included the measurement of waist sizes in 2008 in attempt to overcome increasing obesity rates.

Not every country is rife with regulatory capture and plenty of governments serve their purpose as the counterweight to businesses, instead of wantonly appeasing them to the detriment of the healthy of the citizenry

>implying fat people pay taxes with their hard earned money
>wasting tax payer's money on additional taxes

>tax shitty food
problem solved

Where in tarnation do you see support for this?

>Implying Mcdonalds, the most profitable fast food company every year (with revenues of 25b a year) won't lobby against this)

>Fat tax
>The fatter you are (High BMI

So a gains tax

>Socialised gyms

Oh goodie, more normies clogging up space and doing dumb shit.

>make trash food more expensive and good food more accessible

Good bye bulking!

I bet you contribute fucking nothing yourself

Just nuke it

Nobody in this thread knows what they're talking about

Do you?

vastly underrated

I always said that everyone should be free to smoke or to be fat. But if you do, than you pay double the taxes

King Nigger already sort of did this through his healthcare bill. Smoking was the only thing insurers could charge more for, and no subsidy was allowed.

I must agree with your sentiments, none of the proposed would work with our current welfare state. Socialized gyms would be like another mandate on Obama care, and as only 52% of Americans are paying taxes there aren't any incentives for land whale welfare queens to start paying now (not to mention getting fit). Everyone would be unhappy, democrats would call the tax discriminatory and republicans would claim it's taxation without representation (asking them to pay for shit they never wanted or voted for).

A method that would work however, would be a fat tax on transportation. A 60 pound child cost less to transport than a 300 pound man no matter the method. If every form of public transit, ie busses, lightrails, trolleys and trains had a scale that determined determines the price of the trip, everyone would be charged according to how much they were costing. It would be absolutely fair, as the choices a person makes when it comes to their body are reflected in how much they are charged. This of course would work well for private sectors such as airlines as well.

Now I must mention, there probably should be a form of subsidy for the severely physically impaired. If you need a power chair to move about, and you weigh 80 pounds and the chair weighs 200, I wouldn't want the poor gimp to pay the price for a 280 pound individual..but I suppose disability funds are already allotted to citizens by the state.
This system wouldn't be perfect, and each state would have to pay close attention to voter response, but it would be a great start in my humble opinion. It's important to allow for Americans to choose their lifestyles, even if it is distasteful to us-- And the rest of us shouldn't be forced to pay for the decisions of others.

lol at these pussy ass market liberal reforms. Think of all the woman privilege a fat bitch already is losing by not putting down the fork, you think its a rational decision? You think your little bowtie wearing queerball 5% fat tax is going to matter her when already being an INVISABLE SOCIAL NON-ENTITY and UNIVERSAL BUTT OF ALL JOKES already does shit?

Here is what is necessary
1. Criminalize professional sports, make amateur sports mandatory. Some things only should be done for love (which is what it means to be an amateur) such as sex, sport, and patriotic violence as a member of armed forces, not for money. Sport should be localized and moresso, parochial. The green bay packers should be from friggin greenbay, not a bunch of mercenaries from southron corn factories-universities.

2. Abolish restaurants. All single men and women must eat in the communal barracks. You will eat your beetsoup with whey food-drink and like it, tovarisch. No second helpings for fatties.

3. Patriotic singing cadres. Too many depressed people. Plus its a sign of a sick society when like 70% of men and 50% of women cannot sing.

4. Periodic famines / nationwide intermittent fasting.

AMERICA will be AESTHETIC AGAIN, COMRADES!

>increasing Health and PE classes from 2 to 4 years in high school would also help.

This is already mandatory in high school but we should put one in middle and elementary too. Also, bring back PE. I remember when I was in middle school our school stopped doing PE because our retarded principle said it distracted kids from "learning." It's no fucking shit we're churning little fatties out literally making them sit for 9 hours a day with no breaks other than a 20 minute lunch in the period of our lives where we're supposed to be exercising for 1-2 hours a day. No PE because it's less time for them to memorize shit for some bullshit standardized test. Bring back PE and those classes where you learn how to cook is really our only options.

Firstly this would require socialized medicine, since people would have to get a government sanctioned weight (they can't self report)

and as for having a fat tax on say, transportation, how are you going to weigh people? are there scales EVERYWHERE? do people take off their clothes? No one would want to wear heavy boots.

Not to mention with the lack of information out there people will claim this is genetic discrimination.

I'm for some kind of fat tax or incentivizing health, but we're a long way away from that.

The USSR had socialized gyms and tge lifting culture in Russia is still stronk af.

It may even be the case that the Russian lifting culture directly caused the American lifting culture to bloom in the 50s. So I wouldn't scoff too much at socialised gyms.

The only way to fix this problem Ian with education. Make nutrition classes mandatory all 4 years of high school. If you don't believe me look at the campaign against cigarettes and how much success it's had with just educational awareness.

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>periodic famines

>wanting to limit economic freedom
People should be able to buy or sell whatever they want within reason. I would say disgusting fast food falls under the category of "reasonable. "
>wanting to limit people's choice of lifestyle
People should be free to be disgusting if they want to be, but there should be consequences where their poor decisions affect others (airplane seats, childcare, etc.), but not otherwise.
>wanting EVERYONE to make it
You're a morally better man than I am in that respect at least. Life is a zero sum game and I hope that everyone else (minus friends and family) does worse.

Overall: 2/10 shit opinion, OP

Go with bodyfat not BMI

I've seen so many fat people on here and IRL that that guy doesn't look fat anymore.

Posts like this demonstrate exactly why Veeky Forums is the dumbest board

>Thanks to this excellent minor setback tax plan, my heavily food addicted self will stop eating right away and start to lose weight for sure. I would never think to just take the financial hit and stay fat at my and other taxpayers' expense.
>You know why I never went to the gym before? Because I simply couldn't afford it! I'm glad the government is here to take extra money from me for these resources that I will certainly not skip out on.

Socialized fitness is not only about monetary based access, it's also a question of culture and selection.

>muh """rights"""
>I'm gay and super worried about butthole marriage
You think first comrade Stalin caused famines ACCIDENTALLY? No tovarisch, they were intentional because soviet society has higher and more sublime goals than total number toilet papers sold per annum! National intermittent fasting builds an aesthetic and virtuous people!

Well, as I said I'm sure it varies depending on the are. At my high school we only had two years of PE and out of those 14 months of school maybe 3-4 were spent on Health overall. That includes sex Ed, drugs AND general diet info so overall maybe 1 month out of 28 months were spent on diet/nutrition info. At my Community college a Health+PE course was mandatory and we actually covered both diet and exercise topics. At the biggest uni in my state however, it's not required and from what I hear it's mostly a joke in terms of the exercise section.

Basically we agree an overhaul of our health education is required if we want to fix our problem. Hopefully it won't arise out of some crisis, mass death of the obese or whatever, but it looks like it might take something like that at this point.

In Denmark everything unhealthy is heavily taxed. Here are some prices I can tell you from the top of my head.

mcdonald's big mac menu - 60 DKK
pack of cigarettes - 37 DKK
small nutella jar - 32 DKK
big bottle of coke - 21 DKK
Tiny pouch of Haribo gummies - 15 DKK
Bag of chips - 15 DKK

1500 gr frozen seasoned chicken drumsticks - 29 DKK
450 gr fresh chicken breasts - 25 DKK
1 KG of brown rice - 14 DKK
1 KG of frozen mixed veggies - 12 DKK
bag of brown pasta - 8 DKK
1L of milk - 6 DKK

Dietary education and bringing down big food. Coca cola, Nestle, Mcdonalds. Any unhealthy or processed food needs to be taxed to oblivion.

White Americans have a lower % overweight thAn Danes senpai.

You can't force people to be healthy, but you can and should punish them by massively taxing all junk food (and maybe using part of the proceeds to subsidize healthier alternatives). This won't happen because it would be extremely unpopular with voters and powerful lobbies, and only an authoritarian regime could challenge those.

Let them be fat and remove medicaid, welfare etc and let hospitals and insurance companies turn people away
Job done now they're their own problem

DECENT

>1L of milk - 6 DKK
whoa

>kicking heroin is stressful
>stress leads to relapse
>better not kick that then

I hate this bullshit statistic. BMI is retarded.

It's probably more like 1/4 Americans are obese
.

you can't make people lose weight or lead healthy lives, but you can educate them.

Right now shit like the biggest loser is the only example people get of morbidly obese people losing weight. And they make it look like hell, with contestants losing as much weight as possible as fast as possible. Every diet magazine boasts diets that will make you lose 20 pounds in a week.

Properly educating the public about how to lose weight steadily and easily by counting calories and macros, without even needed to exercise would have huge effects. Similarly to how good sex education decreases teenage pregnancy and abortion rates. It's too late for many morbidly obese adults, but GOOD health education in high school or even earlier could do wonders for the future.

Most likely though education funding will continue to be cut too shit.

Canada ups tax for smoking
public awareness greatly increased
smoking rates drop over last 20 years
Yea, taxes and social programs never work.

If I ever feel like skipping a workout I put on an episode of my 600 pound life. Shits motivating

You're half right, smoking has dropped significantly over the last 5 decades but has plateaued.

A problem with taxing things is that you can only do it so much before it becomes profitable to smuggle cigarettes over the border, which Canada has a huge problem with.

Prohibition doesn't work with drug addiction, it won't work with good addiction.

You need education: harm reduction. Starting young.

>forcing fat people to choose less expensive, less processed food due to taxation and reducing said food intake thanks to educational programs/public awareness given that a good chunk of people dont know how to read a nutritional label
>better solution is stripping citizenship
Yeah, no.
nielsen.com/us/en/press-room/2012/fifty-nine-percent-of-consumers-around-the-world-indicate-diffic.html

>i remember in highschool my year level was the last to not be given ipads
>all the younger year levels had them
>our year level and older would all be outside during lunch and recess playing soccer and chatting and shit
>all the younger year levels sat in the library playing games on their ipads
one of the most pathetic and sad things i'd seen

also watching the behaviour of kids in school today none of them would have it in them to do what kids in the video were doing, theyd have parents giving in letters to let them sit out, theyd argue with teachers and refuse to do it. this next gen are gonna be fat, unmotivated, slobs.

I smoked for 5 years. The reason I quit was social disapproval and the criminalization of smoking spaces, as well as legal discrimination against smokers. Tax policy had nothing to do with it, bowtie.

You have to remember:
Americans fuck about with stats presentation. When they say such and such a percentage is overweight they mean not obese or fatter as well as not normal weight or lighter. Denmark has (in some specific populations) 68% overweight, by the same metric for measurement the US has not ~30% but 75%. This is why US stats show larger numbers of obese people than overweight.

American data is tainted by lies. They put any old bullshit on their DMV height data, and often height is increased to lower BMI. Go over to the US and you will find the average height is lower than the claimed 5'10 for example. BMI data in Europe is not so tainted.

So social and legal pressure. What legal discrimination? I'm curious.

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Companies can legally drug test and discriminate in hiring/ firing for nicotine.