Vegan General

You are coming to the only vegan thread on the whole board to complain about it.
This board is about fitness and some vegans happen to care about that as well.
Where if not here should this thread be?

I started living vegan a few years ago and it really improved my life! I feel a lot healthier (no deficiency of any kind), am more active, am no longer overweight and don't damage the environment so badly anymore.

I believe that many humans are meant to be vegan, at least I am. The smell or sight of milk and meat make me almost vomit now.

So to all of you skeptics, please try being vegan for a single month and see if like/can handle it before jugding others.

>Vegetarians allowed as long as they don't push their diets.
What did OP mean with this?

can you lift tho?

Obviously I can't read. Thanks user.
Do vegans ITT eat honey?

>Where if not here should this thread be?

Veeky Forums You know. The FOOD board.

I go to the gym but mostly do cardio but there are many strongbuild vegans (don't think this green guy is anywhere near the best we can offer)

Yes, I know you won't get your "needed" 180g of protein without vegan protein powder but in times where two thirds of Americans are overweight or obese and /fat/ being one of the busiest boards on Veeky Forums, shouldn't eating less calorie dense food and more vegetables be more important for the general society?

If it is mainly about recipies or taste I agree, if it is about nutrition and protein it belongs here as well as other diet threads.

totes just had a chicken mcnugget. You realize that the most successful animals on the planet for populations and comfy lives are the ones we farm for food?

b-but the chickn feelings ;_;

I am only a vegetarian and only bike a lot.
I passed e-bikes on the uphill after i was driving 50km already and make good progress at the moment.
I am pushing about 3,5-4W/kg FTP at this point already.
And no, since I don´t train lifting I obviously can´t do it well.

I also plan to try grilling them soon, but that's still only like 3-4 prep methods.
As a contribution: I learned that when using stir fry sauce or similar, soak your onions in them. Brings out the best of both flavors.

How do you deal with the massive drop in testosterone + low mood by only eating vegetables?

this isn't forcing their views onto anyone. it's just a discussion thread. if this was forcing, so are all the non-vegan food threads.

>drop in testosterone + low mood
Didn´t happen to me, since I stopped eating meat my libido and amount of sperm per ejacuation have increased whle my mood did get better.

>massive drop in testosterone + low mood by only eating vegetables

doesn't exist

Do people on Veeky Forums seriously believe a ftm who happens to be vegan is a good representant of the vegan community?

I don't eat honey. I don't know too much about the ethics of it, as it apparently varies quite a bit depending on the honey's source. I just don't like being inconsistent.

>Meat eaters not allowed
what do you have against homosexuals, my man?

I felt pretty shitty for around a week after I switched to veganism. After that I felt better than before.

>Do vegans ITT eat honey?
I don't because it's just another form of sugar.

>shouldn't eating less calorie dense food and more vegetables be more important for the general society?
One does not necessitate the other.
Calorie density does not matter anyway, it's total calories and avoiding simple carbohydrates (including vegan simple carbohydrates) that is important.

The variety of food required for a balanced vegan diet is not sustainable on a global scale. It is a privilege afforded to those in developed countries who wish to believe they are minimizing their impact on animals and/or the environment by modifying a trivial aspect of their lives because it has easily quantifiable effects while ignoring the larger impact the entire rest of their lifestyle has.

How do you cope with the dangers of veganism? I keep hearing these horror stories and decided the negatives vastly outweigh the positives.

Such as what? The only thing I can think of is possible B12 deficiency which is very easily avoidable

How do you cope with the dangers of eating meat? I keep seeing these horror stories (my 600 lbs life, my big fat fabulous life, the average American fatass, obese children, high diabetes rates, the billions spending on health care for overweight people, etc., etc.) and decided the negatives vastly outweigh the positives.

Can vegans ITT post what they eat for breakfast and lunch? I'm vegetarian but I'd like to eat less eggs/dairy.

I'm pretty creative dinner wise but for breakfast and lunch I'm too ingrained in the idea of eggs/cheese/yoghurt with bread or cereal.
>The variety of food required for a balanced vegan diet is not sustainable on a global scale.
>implying eating 280g of meat per person per day is sustainable
>implying livestock + byproducts doesn't account for 51% of global greenhouse gas emissions and 80-90% of US water consumption
>implying that these percentages are 'trivial'
>implying eating meat is not a privilege afforded to those in developed countries who choose to forget they are exploiting the rest of the world
Kill yourself my man.

>sustainable on a global scale
Apart from veganism, almost nothing of the Western life style is sustainable on a global scale. Earth only has enough resources for 1-2 billion people living on Western standards, while we are expecting over 10 billion people at the end of the century.

it does exist dude, it happened to me like 3 weeks into veganism. started eating eggs and everything went back to normal, i guess it's different for different people

>control group is general population

Two third overweight or obese IS the general population. How many of these obese fat shits are vegan?

I generally eat cocks for breakfast

tofu scramble bro. i honestly prefer it to scrambled eggs, the tofu absorbs spices so well

Define meat. I ask this because people sometimes use "meat" to mean specifically beef because they are retarded.
>implying livestock + byproducts doesn't account for 51% of global greenhouse gas emissions and 80-90% of US water consumption
"No."
Livestock does not account for more greenhouse gas emissions than all other human industry and combined. You have been lied to by people pushing an agenda.
>implying eating meat is not a privilege afforded to those in developed countries who choose to forget they are exploiting the rest of the world
It isn't. Fish, fowl and, yes, even red meat are consumed worldwide. The first two especially are staples. Insects and other arthropods too, but some idiots consider some arthropods fish.

Also
>I care about the animals
>I eat eggs and dairy
>Letting cattle graze in fields and be cows until the day they are slaughtered is less humane than keeping chickens and cows in chickenhell and cowhell, respectively
Why don't you just keep your own chickens for egg production and ensure their welfare yourself? It's not difficult or expensive to do.

Do you understand what a control group is?

>Two third overweight or obese IS the general population. How many of these obese fat shits are professional curlers?
>Lauren Epsom Dolores Sit Amen, professional curling is the only way to stop obesity

chickens that aren't bred to lay eggs lay like 10 eggs a year or something

Yes, and?
There are dozens of varieties of chickens bred to lay eggs that are not the same can't-stand-or-move-all-white chickens you find in commercial farms. They will happily roam over as large a space as you make available to them, doing chicken things, and still provide you with an ample source of eggs.

>Why don't you just keep your own chickens for egg production and ensure their welfare yourself?
>why don't you just keep your own slaves for labor and ensure their welfare yourself

Using animals is SLAVERY, nothing else.

bro why do you keep phrasing your questions so condescendingly? If you get chickens that are bred to lay many eggs, you're supporting an industry that kills male chickens

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

One day all animals will stand up, united to defeat the biggest enemy this planet ever had.

On this day, you'll regret raping, torturing and killing all these animals.

>If you get chickens that are bred to lay many eggs, you're supporting an industry that kills male chickens
The varieties I'm suggesting you buy are not industrialized. Have you even seen a live chicken in person?

>raping
You're laying it on too thick my man. You were believable up until this point.

>cows are not raped to produce milk

If someone breeds a chicken for the sole purpose of egg laying, what do they do with the males? They are useless for their business, so they kill them.

i love that comic

>fuck off it's not like I kill them
I've never heard anyone say anything like this.

I don't think vegans understand humans. Are they autistic?

I have personally killed at least 400 animals. Quality of life up until death is what matters.

Everything dies.

Anyway the user I was replying to is the one that keeps cows in rape cowhell. I don't consume dairy.

>Define meat. I ask this because people sometimes use "meat" to mean specifically beef because they are retarded.
Beef, lamb, pork, venison, you name it.
>"No."
>Livestock does not account for more greenhouse gas emissions than all other human industry and combined. You have been lied to by people pushing an agenda.
Cool. I'll show you my sources if you show me yours.
worldwatch.org/files/pdf/Livestock and Climate Change.pdf
independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/study-claims-meat-creates-half-of-all-greenhouse-gases-1812909.html
gelr.org/2015/10/23/a-leading-cause-of-everything-one-industry-that-is-destroying-our-planet-and-our-ability-to-thrive-on-it-georgetown-environmental-law-review/
>It isn't. Fish, fowl and, yes, even red meat are consumed worldwide. The first two especially are staples. Insects and other arthropods too, but some idiots consider some arthropods fish.
Have you ever actually been to a poor country? I have. I stayed with a poor family, although they were well off by Gambian standards. They had a goat and two chickens. They ate meat like twice a year because it's fucking unaffordable. You actually have to slaughter the animal to eat it, you know. That means you have to get a new one. Fish maybe once a month because there isn't that much fish in the river. Meat hasn't been a 'worldwide staple' since our hunter-gatherer days. Try imagining a self-sustaining household, owning animals and all, producing 280g of meat per day. Impossible.
>Why don't you just keep your own chickens for egg production and ensure their welfare yourself? It's not difficult or expensive to do.
I don't give a shit about animal welfare. I care about greenhouse gas emissions and water usage.

I hear that all the time

Vegans lack the nutrition to adequately participate in reason and logic, aka what separates us from beasts. Their shriveled, useless brains cannot possibly comprehend social interaction and group mechanics. They are too easily angered, governed by instinct over thought, and as a result, have more empathy for animals, especially unintelligent creatures like cows, chickens, and fish, because they have more in common with them than that of humans.

>tl;dr
Vegcucks are more animal than human

Look at all these happy sheep :)

>Beef, lamb, pork, venison, you name it.
So fish and arthropods aren't included. I see you are retarded.

>my sources
Your three sources are the same; the worldwatch report written by two world bank advisers that alleges that the UN finding is wildly underestimating the impact of livestock. The second is a summary of that same report and the third is an essay which has many sources, but only a few contended sources, and the source which is the pillar of their argument is that same worldwatch report.

I do not trust the worldwatch report over the UN report because worldwatch is a group of ideologues that don't like, among other things, nuclear energy; they sincerely believe that cutting our energy production to meet their pet energy source output and moving industry to other nations, thereby resulting in no net reduction in greenhouse gas emission, is a good plan.

Your claim--that UN estimations of greenhouse gas emissions are off by a factor of more than 2, and that livestock produce more greenhouse gas than all other human activity and industry combined, requires some measure of proof. Your single dubious source is not it.

But don't take my word for it--the worldwatch report is also not accepted by anyone outside of the subculture you are a part of it.

You are the climate change denier in this instance. :^)

>Have you ever actually been to a poor country?
I've been all over south america and southeast asia.

>They had a goat and two chickens. They ate meat like twice a year because it's fucking unaffordable. You actually have to slaughter the animal to eat it, you know.
Why did they keep the goat and two chickens--surely as pets for companionship? Are we just ignoring all animal products that serve as parts of diets except meat now?

>Try imagining a self-sustaining household, owning animals and all, producing 280g of meat per day. Impossible.
Why the requirement that they own all the animals? Why arbitrarily exclude fish and arthropods?

you can tell this guy eats fish, because he's casting out some serious bait

what we eating today boiz. just cooked up some spicy quinoa bean and corn dish

>I don't give a shit about animal welfare.
Then why argue for it?

>I care about greenhouse gas emissions and water usage.
I don't think you understand how water works. I believe your concern regarding livestock-produced greenhouse gas emissions is misplaced.

I have to go, because it is late where I am. Feel free to take that as admitting defeat if you wish. I may see replies you make in ~18 hours, if the thread is still up.

How about you post your sources as the guy asked you to do?

Looks pretty tastey

Wee cheeky cottage pie doon ma neck.

this

sure
LIVESTOCK'S LONG SHADOW
fao.org/docrep/010/a0701e/a0701e00.HTM
>18%
:^)

shoo shoo gains goblin

Why do these threads always turn into annoying arguments instead of vegan discussion?

gay bois

Because people are getting easily triggered by different opinions now.

>ramadan threads turn into crusade worshipper threads
>vegan threads have the same arguments healthy vs. unhealthy, environmental problems vs. no environmental problems, gains vs. no gains, etc.
>threads with one post about a shitty woman turn into r9k women hate threads
>threads with one post of the #SwoleLeft turn into /pol/ promoting racism

and so on

the truth of national socialism is self-evident in nature. racism promotes itself

see?

because veganism is right on the border of politics and when you make a thread about politics all of a sudden everyone has something to say.

shit goes off on different tangents because one guy makes fun of /pol/ so someone from /pol/ gets mad so now some faggot from antifa is triggered and now normal conservatives who don't like antifa are mad and so on and so on.

also ramadan threads deserve to be shit on islam is cancer

look another lisa simpson thread

point at them and laugh

>So fish and arthropods aren't included. I see you are retarded.
The impact of fish and arthropods on co2/water usage are not at all comparable. Also if you look up meat in a dictionary this is roughly what it says. Why do I need to use a different definition for meat than the rest of the world? That doesn't seem beneficial to the conversation.
>I do not trust the worldwatch report over the UN report because (...)
It's all a giant conspiracy? Of course it is, but feel free to point out where exactly they are wrong. Even if they were off by a factor 2 and the UN report is correct, your claim that the impact of meat is 'trivial' is fucking retarded.
>Why did they keep the goat and two chickens--surely as pets for companionship? Are we just ignoring all animal products that serve as parts of diets except meat now?
They kept them for milk and eggs.
>>Try imagining a self-sustaining household, owning animals and all, producing 280g of meat per day. Impossible.
>Why the requirement that they own all the animals? Why arbitrarily exclude fish and arthropods?
It's a thought experiment to hopefully make you see how many animals a single person actually needs for average daily consumption.
>Then why argue for it
I'm not arguing for animal welfare. Can you read?
>I don't think you understand how water works
Literally what? Are you saying fresh water is not a limited resource?
>heh... Nothing personal kid
Kill yourself

So lmao18% is what you call trivial?

meatniggers can never shut the fuck up and stop preaching their shit

whatever you believe about consuming animals,

vegans must admit their food tastes like shit

>fruits and vegetables taste like shit

After I turned vegan, I also started sucking dicks for protein. Veganism - not even once

Has anyone made this joke yet?

been vegan about a year now happy & healthy eating all the food i like

fruits and vegetables aren't vegan food, they're fruits and vegetables, i mean shit prepared exclusively for vegans that looks and tastes like barf like pomegranate nuggets or zuchinni burgers

but you'll probably reply with another picture that misconstrues what i say, the typical deprived vegan brain at work

...

Pretty sure it was bait, every fucking time one of these threads gets made this shit happens. the whole thread turns into meme argument vs meme argument. And then vegantrap comes along and shits up the thread even more

that's a bad representative of what vegans eat. most vegans barely touch it

food for vegans

vegan

This whole thread is that joke.

vegan foods

ben and jerry's vegan icecream is lit fammie

weird, im not a vegan but i could eat those

guess its not vegan food

can assure that food is all vegan

fuck off dude, stop shitting up the board

i have more energy than ever putting in over 15hours solid training last week

be grateful, we're the only ones bumping your shitty thread

so its not vegan because a meat eater eats it uh logic...

>>implying livestock + byproducts doesn't account for 51% of global greenhouse gas emissions
Vegan here. Actually, it doesn't. The number is about 18%. The 51% number Cowspiracy claims is from a 70s study that erroneously factored in the CO2 from cow exhalation. I don't remember the exact explanation because I am retarded, but it has to do with the fact that that CO2 is part of a carbon cycle. The analog would be claiming that CO2 fumes from cars that burn bioethanol count as emissions, when they really don't count because the bioethanol plants drew that CO2 from the atmosphere to grow up. That said, to imply that meat isn't a luxury we can do less of with is retarded