Why do people say starting strength is just a meme?

SS is a perfectly legitimate beginner's program. Once you hit .5/1/1.5/2, you should change to a different program.

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R u retarded. Those r beginner numbers. Ss takes you to intermediate u fucking bullshitting retard

>lmao5pl8 OHP
Never gonna make it.

It depends on your lift goals. If youre lifting to look good Id go with something different. Ss is just str.

That's like 3-4 weeks of training. You should change to a different program when SS doesn't work anymore, despite adequate nutrition, rest, form, and adherence to the program. Not random arbitrary (and embarrassingly weak) numbers.

Because people squat for 6 months and expect to look like Zyzz.

Strong lift is a cpy of the earliest version of SS. With rows instead of power clean and 5x5 instead of 3x5.
SS have chins too, and adding a fourth set of 8 simply adds more volume. The isolation is needed because chest is barely worked, and biceps arent worked enough. Stronglift does not cover this as well.

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Because kids fuck around on it for FAR too long - it's called Starting Strength for a reason.

If you're consistent and adding weight each workout, you should out grow it in 4-6 months tops.

But people don't, because they just fuck around, don't eat properly, skip workouts, still carry on with their lazy and unhealthy lifestyles, then get all pissy when nothing happens.

Same goes far all the "starting" routines.

I do a modified version of SS where added dips on workout A and replaced pendlay rows with pull-ups on workout B. Also bar bicep curls once a week but cut them off by now because it started to cause forearm pain. Will switch it to dumbell curl soon

this guy did starting strength

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>Because people are lazy and take it too far instead of doing research and finding another good program to transition after the first 4-6 months of training. A good strenght base will help you in a hypertrophy program.

>Because Mark tries to force the "Mass comes with strenght" meme a few times in the book. Coincidentally, he has written another book on strength training for intermediate bodybuilders.

>Because everyone has unrealistic expectations and as a beginner's program, most people who hit the gym for three months and don't look like Zyzz blame the book for it.

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Picture related, dipshit.

FUCKING THIS

Would strong lifts be a better program if I want both strength and aesthetics?

Because everytime someone who wants to start lifting and looking better asks what a good beginner program is, dumbass DYELs recommend SS.

You can't just tell someone who wants to workout for aesthetics that they should do SS, and then when they become fatasses you say "Well it was never an aesthetic program :)!"

>starting S-T-R-E-N-G-T-H
I thought not reading the book was dumb, but some retards manage to not know what the acronym means

Pic related is becoming a meme at this point but it's a shining example of why reading the fucking sticky works.

SS in the sticky includes weighted dips and chin-ups as well as a few other accessories for later down the line. Even the meme guy looks strong and proportionate, his bodyfat% is just too high.

If you're already ~20% bodyfat then your body already has an anabolic environment necessary for muscle growth, so a very small calorie surplus is all that's required. Rippetoe himself has said this.

The only time SS doesn't work is when the person doing it is retarded.

I can't do powercleans, the trainers at my gym don't know how to teach me it.

What do?

I prefer stronglifts 5x5 but either is a great beginner workout

i think you've gotta have some killer genes to get abs like that from squats & deads user

or maybe i just wasn't eating enough idk

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squat 315 for 3x5 while at 12% bf and show me "no abs"

to be fair I'm pretty sure everyone would have abs at 12% bodyfat

What is a beginners aesthetics retuine?

thats the point, people worrying about not having abs because of not doing isolation exercises are uneducated in fitness and need to get under the bar and squat

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spend 3-4 months hitting 1/2/3/4 on SS then switch to an intermediate bodybuilding routine
The point of SS is to build base strength. If you do the bodybuilding routine off the bat its worthless. Benching 135 is not gonna build anyone a big chest

Strictly untrue.

Most stronglifts accessories are based on the chest - pause bench, push ups, dips, etc.

How the fuck would SS make you a fatass? The only way it would make you a fatass is if you didn't push your workouts hard and you went GOMAD. But it's pretty explicit that GOMAD isn't for EVERYONE only the tiny hard gainer types.

Pendlay Rows m8

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>Lacks volume

It's a beginner program, it isn't meant to have terribly high volume, because a beginner can't handle that as well.

>If youre lifting to look good Id go with something different.

Name a program that will put more muscle on a rank novice

PROTIP: You can't.

And since muscle is what looks good, SS is the perfect program for novice aestheticfags

That is a version of the routine in The Book, I believe specifically for someone who refuses to eat and sleep enough. Hence never deadlifting twice a week.

The Program, in its purest form, is
A: Squat 3x5 Bench (or OHP) 3x5 Deadlift 1x5
B: Squat 3x5 OHP (or Bench, just alternating with the other press on A) 3x5, Chin Ups 3x8
AxBxAxx
BxAxBxx

For a couple weeks, when you start adding power cleans 5x3 before the chin ups on B.

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>If you're already ~20% bodyfat then your body already has an anabolic environment necessary for muscle growth, so a very small calorie surplus is all that's required.
Explain this, please, more fat - more resources for the muscle growth? If so I'm going to call this "mass effect".

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The lower body has almost twice the volume as the upper body. So it lacks some upper body volume.

I've been going to the gym for 3 weeks and other than bench I've already hit all of those.

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juggernaut beginners, you can ignore the videos.
jtsstrength.com/articles/2016/03/07/considerations-for-beginners/

i can't power clean, low bar squat, high bar squat, front squat, ohp, bench press or row

all these lifts fuck my shoulders, knees and back up. i'm not a beginner either i've already tried every form technique known to man.

what routine should i do? keep in mind i already have one i just want to see you defend your autism beginner routine.

Its probably technique, and/or lack of flexibility. You could also be uncoordinated. Which is difficult to spot if you train by yourself. Without an expert. Its nearly impossible to spot the mistakes in your technique by yourself.

lol you're dumb

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>i've already tried every form technique known to man.
didn't try the right one obviously

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Because people unironically think that this is what you are supposed to do for 4+ years on SS

i do alternatives to them. i have my own gym and equipment and all the time and dedication in the world to practice lifts. those lifts always caused me agony. no point in doing them when i have a football bar, dip belt, safety squat bar, cambered bar, trap bar and dumbbells available to me. honestly i'd love to be able to do such a minimalistic routine like you guys. i envy you. but you're smoking crack if you think i'm uncoordinated or haven't already given it my all. i'm like captain autism or everything i do. i try literally EVERYTHING. i practice everything. watch everything. read everything. and i have nothing better to do than practice every day for years and years.

Lift with your mind. Take a stick like it's a barbell and do every exercise while straining every muscle engaged in it. Protip: you'd probably fail first, for many reps.

Wait a sec, when are are agonizing, on the next day? It's called DOMS, lel, and means you're doing well.

Read the sticky. Its explained there. Long story short is the body burns fat instead of muscle to keep going so you get gainz
Also Kek'd

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Gotta read it again, yeah. Also that's the case when cardio is not killing gains, right?

SS worked for me. After 4 months i added dips, pull ups, OHP and pendlay rows.

>SS worked for me
>after 4 months added OHP

I don't think you did SS man

>machines cant kill everyone if reapers kill them first

>can't force a conversation if i should go

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Let me guess, you think deadlifts develops arms too.

Meanwhile, 6-8 months of training without any lifting.

TFTMM

So it took you 8 months to drop ~10-15lbs and gain exactly zero muscle? Not really that impressive user

Workout A

Squat 3/5×4-6
Bench 3/5×4-6
Pendlay Row 3/5×4-6
Overhead Barbell Extension 3×6-10
Barbell/Dumbbell Preacher Curl 3×6-10
Stiff-Legged Deadlift/Good Morning 2-3×6-10
Weighted Plank 3×30-60s

Workout B

Squat 3/5×4-6
Paused Overhead Press 3/5×4-6
Deadlift 1x5
Close-Grip Bench Press 3×6-8
Weighted Chin-up 3×3-5
Weighted Plank 3×30-60s

What do you guys think of manlet destiny routine with the variations just subbed for the normal lifts?

And another Ripp's cock rider.

>It's a beginner program, it isn't meant to have terribly high volume, because a beginner can't handle that as well.
If he can't handle that volume, the volume should be lower.
But beginners can handle more volume.

>Name a program that will put more muscle on a rank novice
jtsstrength.com/articles/2016/03/07/considerations-for-beginners/
There is actually tons of good programs that can be good for beginners.

If your bodyweight is 60-70 kg, you will never hit 1/2/3/4 in 3 months

Why would you do 20 different lifts over 4 days a week when you could get similar results from 5 lifts + accessories over 3 days a week?

Trying to learn 3 different squats as a beginner seems like a way to fuck your shit up fast

My standard addition I recommend anyone to do on SS, is adding 2 sets of 10 for bench and OHP with 70% of the weight of your working sets. Chinups are already in the program but people tend to forget them. Add some biceps isolation and shoulder exercise and you should be fine.

Something like this:

A
Squat 3x5
Bench 3x5
70% Bench 2x10
Deadlift 1x5
Curls 3x10
Face Pulls 3x10-20

B
Squat 3x5
OHP 3x5
70% OHP 2x10
Power Cleans 5x3 or Rows 3x5
Chinups 3xF (until 3x10, then you do 3x5 weighted)
Lateral Raises 3x10-20

How is it even possible to do squat and deadlift on the same day,

1) Because this is well known fact in strength training, that variety (to some degree) is good for beginners.
2) Because CHAD SMITH - the REAL successful COACH - says so.

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He looks better than most of the cunts on here.

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What are good accessories to do with starting strength?

>55 pushups in a row
>Only 55

Some combination of these I guess. They are the ones included in the book.

>this is well known fact in strength training
[citation needed]

You saw it here folks, if you don't lift, you'll end up wearing fingerless gloves to jumprope

Fucking this.
Something like Candito's Strength and Hypertrophy or the reddit ppl
Because if you're not eating massively above maintenance you will not make the gains Rippetoe says you should expect to make.
>the strength base meme

>squats
>circles the faint etching of a 4 pack in overhead lighting in his bathtub

you mean the next day when the miniscis in my knee is preventing me from walking or my shoulders are in agonizing pain from the bar smashing my acromion or when my lower back feels like it's going to give out every time i hinge? i know the what muscle pain feels like retard. i fucking hate beginner strength routines. because of people like you who automatically assume everyone who doesn't do it your way is a newbie or retarded. i can pull 600 lbs off the floor. so you want to try again or just keep being retarded and forcing your autism routine as gospel onto everyone?

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