I was doing so well for 2 years. Relapsed 3 weeks ago. Haven't hit the gym since. Smoked around 25g in 3 weeks. I either wake up and smoke or wake up, go to work and smoke.
Even in those moments (like now) right after waking up I feel incredibly low energy. I would be just fine with my degenerate ways if I at least hit the gym in the morning before smoking all day but it's impossible.
u came here looking for people to tell u to go kys or wut?
I came here because I see threads shilling weed constantly saying it's perfectly fine so I want to learn how these people do it.
I have no problem with weed (I use it myself semi-regularly) but I fucking hate stoners / potheads. Your post is why, OP.
But I'm not a hippie or a "stoner" or a "pothead". I don't even like socialism.
>if I at least hit the gym in the morning before smoking all day but it's impossible
No its not. I do it everyday. Only way to make myself eat enough calories. Just power through it. Some can do it. Many cant. Functional addicts are very rare.
Any tips? I'm sober right now, I think I slept like 16 hours so right now is a good chance to turn things around. Just resist the temptation and stay sober for a few hours until I feel more energetic?
Hi.
The only way to not wake and bake is having some level of self discipline. Weed is psychologically addicting, not really physical save perhaps dopamine and the neurotransmitters that make you feel good.
Make weed a reward. Not a staple of your day. It may not affect you now. But time makes a fool of us all.
Do not try to over think this or over rationalize it. Just don't toke. And once the day is done and you smoke again, not only will you feel higher but you'll actually feel some level of pride because you showed control over yourself. It's not easy, but things that are worth it usually aren't.
t. 15+ years pot head faggot
Fucking train stoned and if you can't handle that, wait till after training to smoke you fucking mong
Folks like you givin' pot a bad name - it's not the pot's fault, you're just being weak
>I think I slept like 16 hours
How do people do this? My sleeping in is 8 hours.
I dont understand what your wanting. It is all mind over matter. Why are you smoking to begin with? Actual use (like food or inflammation) or just force of habit? What is your desired goal from smoking? Is it possible to increase your caffiene intake to counter it?
This guy has pretty good advice.
I'm 26. The way I used self discpline is not smoking. I just didn't buy the stuff. Worked for years after daily toking in my late teens/early 20s.
I know you are right, but I just can't figure it out. If I'm home and have no responsibilities for the day or already got off work and I know I have weed I can't rationalize not smoking it even though it's reversed everything good I've done with my life in the past 3 years. I've relapsed on vidya, I'm not reading again, I'm not working out, I'm eating treats and shit ecen if the main part of my diet I can still control.
>25 g in three weeks
Lmao smoking a bit more than 1 gram a day is killing you? That's like am hour and a half of your day quit being a bitch
>no responsibilities
ISHIGGYDIGGY
>How
By smoking weed. Though I can easily sleep 12 hours even without it. I have to set an alarm every day. I function just fine with the regular 7-8 hours but I must have something waking me up.
>Why
Feels good man. Music is better, food tastes begger, tv shows are actually funny, video games don't feel like pointless time sinks.
I don't go to work stoned.
It's not heroin, jeez
Stop buying the weed and don't hang around anybody who smokes. Problem solved.
>Feels good man. Music is better, food tastes begger, tv shows are actually funny, video games don't feel like pointless time sinks
Ok so its habit. Then you need to change your attitude about the depressive effects and power theough them or find a fuy who sells reggie. Also if your state is a legalized state try to only smoke sativa as opposed to indica or hybrid strains.
MENTAL FORTITUDE.
And make sure you are actually progressing with life and career or those "pointless time sinks" will actually become just that.
I did that and it worked. But then there's the days when I've worked all week, hit the gym almost every day and just feel worn out and tired. Too tired to even do anything intelligent like read a book. I don't want to drink alcohol, that's even worse. If I'm sober I just sit and do nothing. Maybe kill 10 hours browsing Veeky Forums. At least if I have weed I watch movies or play games or do SOMETHING.
I know I should just abstain and be sober for the rest of my life but I absolutely hate those time killing days that come with it.
Well it comes down to what to do when you have nothing else to do. My personal mistake was thinking like you. Done with work, workout etc.
Nothing else to do...hmmm..let me toke a little and play some mmo or lurk Veeky Forums. That's the vicious circle you're in. With the time you spend being high, you can try other things like you had been doing. Reading, learning a new skill etc.
Weed justifies boredom and before you know it. The day is over and you repeat the same shit day after day.
Personally bro, I found myself being boring. Uninformed and mundane. It makes me sick to do this to myself just because i enjoy weed. What was once an awesome treat, became just a daily habit.
In the end, these are just words. If you liked how you were before you relapsed into your current state, then use that as your motivation. There's so much out there in this life, especially if you're a young single male.
If you did it once my dude, I bet you can do it again
>I know I should just abstain and be sober for the rest of my life
Are you a sobreity counsellor? Former crack addict? Who says that? Whats the point of that? Moderation is the key to fun with recreational substances. You dont have to quit forever. You just have to fix yourself. If you cant handle weed like a grown up then you might want to consider lifelong sobriety...
Find new hobbies. You sound bored. Try painting along with Bob Ross. Or learn an instrument. Your current passions can only be ignited with weed. You need new ones.
I say that, because I always feel better after a month or more of sobriety. Moderation is the worse jew trick in the book. You're not getting the benefits of monk lifestyle but you also can't enjoy the junkie cycle. You're just killing pain enough to justify your existence, that's what moderation is.
>I can't rationalize not smoking it
>even though it's reversed everything good I've done with my life in the past 3 years. I've relapsed on vidya, I'm not reading again, I'm not working out, I'm eating treats and shit
What you just wrote seems like a good rationalisation not to smoke. Do you really want to give up what you want most (physical and mental gains, good quality of life) for what you want right now (pot)?
Yes it's a habit but it's not JUST a habit. What I mean is it's not one of those "just try life without it and you'll realize how pointless it was!" things. I didn't smoke weed for 6 months and smoked very little overall for 2 years and what happened? 0 hours on Steam. Almost no movies watched. Absolutely no tv watched.
Sure you can talk all about "desentisized dopamine receptors" and whatever but the fact of the matter is I can't enjoy forms of entertainment made to entertain me unless I have weed. My life sober is not the same life with just less enjoyment from the same things, it's a monk lifestyle self improvement circlejerk because that's the only thing I find the least bit satisfying.
I didn't relapse because I figured what the hell might as well throw it all away. I figured "well it's the weekend, 3 grams of weed and the x-files can't be THAT bad".
This. I have a little THC in the morning and I'm in the gym an hour later
Not at all. Moderation is me being in control of my impulses. Mental strength can be built with self denial. And the monk lifestlye can be achieved with a proper relationship with Jesus. Jesus made good wine at a wedding and said to drink and be happy. This does not mean be a drunk. It means the messiah says enjoy the fruits of my creation but enjoy them in moderation. See "song of songs" for more bible text about gods feelings towards human pleasure.
>You're just killing pain enough to justify your existence
Find Jesus. Then you wont have this attitude. You sounds like you have no purpose. And weed is shit at "killing pain". Thats what booze is for.
>Weed justifies boredom and before you know it. The day is over and you repeat the same shit day after day.
Exactly. But as long as you don't run out of weed that doesn't seem like an issue. And these days it's so easy to buy some it's impossible to run out.
>and what happened? 0 hours on Steam. Almost no movies watched. Absolutely no tv watched
This is a good thing. I havnt watched tv since i moved out of my parents house 12 years ago.
>I can't enjoy forms of entertainment made to entertain me unless I have weed
I would venture a guess that says you probably dont actually like these things as hobbies. You just think you do cause you dont know anything else.
Try 900mg daily st johns wort for your depression. Will take about a week or 2 to really kick in.
>That's what booze is for
Got that right, but booze is even worse. With booze I feel like my muscles start eating away at themselves after 1 day of drinking. With weed it just feels like I haven't hit the gym in a while. Booze is the worst gains goblin in the world.
As far as moderation goes I don't get the point of it. Drinking 4 drinks then going to bed is not fun. I'd much rather have 0 drinks than 4 if I had to choose. Only once your past moderation do drugs (including alcohol) start having a point to them that makes them appealing.
>This is a good thing.
It is, especially outgrowing vidya. But not when it's so absolute. What's the point of life with no entertainment or enjoyment? I'm certainly not here to put my name in the history books or groom an heir, neither of those interest me either. So if I'm not working for some great end goal it'd be nice to at least enjoy the ride you know?
will power
I smoked daily from 17-21 basically and i stopped after a breakup for a while and from like last October till January I was doing really well with the gym and everything, and once i started smoking it made me lazy and im still in that situation. you just gotta not smoke till your back from the gym and just push through a few times and it will be more routine
>Only once your past moderation do drugs (including alcohol) start having a point to them that makes them appealing
Never OD'd have you... very immature attitude about drug use. Very teenager.
>What's the point of life with no entertainment or enjoyment?
You are only as bored as you are entertaining. FIX YOUR ATTITUDE. That is what the problem is here. Have you read meditations by marcus aurlious(butchered that spelling)?
Oh I forgot there's nothing between 4 drinks and an "OD". What's immature about knowing what I like? Drinking 4 drinks is not fun, it's even less fun than 0 drinks. At least with 0 drinks my body feels great and I know I'm not consuming empty calories that onoy serve to fuck up my hormonal balance. With 4 drinks I'm just teasing myself reminding that alcohol could be fun if I drank more but then stopping before I get any benefit from it. It's literally the worst of both worlds and the only reason to do it is to numb the pain of a sad life even just a little bit. I guess that is mature.
You're right, but "fix your attitude" isn't exactly helpful. I didn't make this thread because I thought everything is perfect and nothing needs fixing. No I haven't read that book I mostly read historical non-fiction or mystery/thriller type fiction or some heavy social commetary.
Ok. You want a magic cure. I tried to help you. Growing up is though dude. You will change as a person. Old toys wont be appealing anymore. Accept it and grow up or be a manchild. Your call. If you really are 26 then i weep for my generation (again).
St johns wort 900mg daily
Bible
Stoicism as a life philosophy
If that doesnt work then just off yourself because you are a true failure
>you just gotta not smoke till your back from the gym and just push through a few times and it will be more routine
I know this works. If I ran out of weed I'd be back to my regular gym routine within 3 days. No question about that. What I'm trying to figure out is ways to not fully give it up but still find a way to exercise.
>You will change as a person. Old toys wont be appealing anymore. Accept it and grow up or be a manchild. Your call.
That is what it is. But I have no new toys and there's a way to make old toys fun again. Maybe I am asking for a magic cure. Want to see my passport?
>brah, weed is harmless and non-addictive
You fucked up your hormones. Chronic marijuana use creates anxiety and depression, as you lose your natural ability to cope. Weed specifically fucks with your hippocampus, leaving you in a stupor. When you do this everyday or even weekly, you're killing your cortisol levels.
Smoke weed everyday.
Full time programmer.
1/2/3/4 lifts.
Perfect girlfriend.
120 IQ.
Quit blaming the plant.
BTW I never smoke first thing in the morning, especially before work and I never have less than a half ounce on hand.
why don't leave your house for a bit, take a trip not too far if you can afford it and have free time and get your shit together there.
You do realize programmers are the monkeys of IT world? It's literally the job no one wants.
Use the weed as a reward.
I fucking love it. I can get myself to do just about anything I don't want to if I promise myself a fat dab at the end. I wake up, take a tiny dab. Go to work for 4 hours. Smack a fat dab at lunch. Go back to work for 4 hours. Dab before/after lifting. Sleep.
I fucking love my life right now.
Yeah no shit, though that happened a decade ago. Never got anxious and I'm very good socially but I definitely got the depression meme if you believe in that thing.
I do that when I want to wash the dishes or vaccuum the house but sounds like to you it's more about the chemical side than for me.
I don't want to smoke before work or lifting. It's not about having THC in my body, it's about smoking weed and the activities that go with it. I'm addicted to the leisure not so much the drug. If I know I have something I have to do (like work or an appointment or visit parents) I feel absolutely zero desire to do it high.
Oh wow, you just logiced away my love for my job with your gay little defeatist anecdote, how did you do that??????
I guess it has something to do with you being a 16 yeard old making up stories because literally anyone with a degree or job experience in the field would know programmers are the absolute bottom of the barrel shit jobs nobody wants to do but it's the only job title you know and it sounds techy and cool.
I wake up, smoke, then go lift. Your willpower just sucks m8
>lifting high
Baby weight bitch.
I mean, I guess it would seem like a shit job if you knew you'd be embarrassingly bad at it. Fortune 500s start programers in the 70s every fucking day.
Half of them don't even comute.
How, exactly, do you not sound like a bitter slave?
Just don't get retardedly high and it's fine. Obviously don't try a 3 plate bench for the first time after smoking.
fag
Oh absolutely it's about the altering of my brain chemistry and going from sober to high. Every activity seems more interesting if I can get high before.
>that comfy burn and exhale after a fat dab
I'll delay myself the pleasure for a few hours all the time because I know the more sober I get the higher I'll be next dab. For example I've been sitting here shitposting sober and I could have dabbed 2 hours ago. I feel like I'm always having fun this way.
>Tfw lifting high makes me paranoid I'm injuring myself
I have to abstain on leg days, but push and pull days are fair game.
It's almost as if programming in the 70s is not the same thing as 50 years later. Why am I the slave when I'm your superior with a better salary?
Okay what's your career faggot boy let's shit all over your lively hood
Same field as you but I didn't graduate as the bottom of the class so I didn't have to become a programmer.
I meant 70 thousand dollars a year you dumb fuck.
Confirmed for NEET.
>what's your career
>not a programmer
You aren't very good at answering questions because you're lying and not employed.
Just go to work, then straight after hit the gym and keep all your goods at home.
If you can't muster the willpower either stop smoking or stop going to the gym, those are your options.
OP
I smoke everyday and also hit the gym everyday. I'm a jacked stoner. It's all about prioritization. Work, gym then smoke. If no work, then gym then smoke. I find that smoking only after you have finished work and gym is really the only way to go. Ephedrine really helps on days where you may fee particularly sluggish. Taking your vitamins, especially vitamin D will also be imperative. Try to make sure you also regularly get sun. These things all help with the expected lethargy that comes with smoking.
I'm a team supervisor in an international software development company.
It's still monkey job akin to sweeping or plumbing even if you make money (and I doubt your 70k salary when anyone with the least bit of talent can talk themselves into a better position that a programmer).
>have a gram of indica
>tfw scared to smoke it because of paranoia
I wish I could enjoy it.
Thanks, I'll look into ephedrine. Really my biggest hurdle is the sluggish feel in the morning. If I felt normal as if I went to bed sober I'd have no problem working out in the morning before toking.
Programmer skill = floor sweeper skill
Noted.
You definitely don't sound like a sower grapes NEET to me.
you make me sick
Yeah the mornings, especially winter mornings are rough as fuck when it comes to waking up. I would set my alarm 1 hour before I had to wake up. Take ephedrine and go back to sleep. Wake up again in an hour feeling like I'm ready to run a marathon.
>sower
You have the higher ups deciding on what is profitable. You have the marketing guys selling products and keeping track on what people want. You have the devs planning the software and making decisions on how the development is handled. And then you have the programmers who make zero decisions and do what is basically manual labor typing on the keyboard to fulfill plans made by someone else the way someone else wanted it to. Programmers will be replaced by AI in 20 years.
Tfw smoking weed makes me flex in the mirror and crave a pump so i almost always go to the gym when im high
We'll I'm 23 so 70 thousand starting is a fucking win in my book.
What pleasure do you derive from this?
You realize how jealous you sound, right?
>If you can't muster the willpower either stop smoking or stop going to the gym, those are your options.
I hate how being high makes being fit seem completely pointless. I'm only reminded of it because my biceps feel deflated and flat.
You've called me jealous like 8 times so far but I still haven't received an explanation why I would be jealous to someone working in the same fielf but literally in the worst possible position. It's like a doctor being jealous of a nurse.
>But I have no new toys and there's a way to make old toys fun again.
I read this as saying "but i have a way to prevent myself from maturing/growing as a person"
Grow up.
>making more money than literally 99.5% of all humans to walk the earth, even if you retroactively adjust for inflation at the age of 23
>"worst possible position"
Kk homo. U still sound mad AF to me but guess I'm crazy.
No, thats system admin or bitch level technician. Would rather code and fix my mistakes than be responsible for other peoples mistakes that are magically never their fault
Nice meme
>Wahh nobody will say I'm better than everyone no matter how much I say programmers suck
Just smoked a bowl, had a stove-top coffee and went for a 10 mile run listening to 'Master of Reality' by Sabbath and 'Iron' by Enisferum, granted it wasn't a wake and bake but ultimately it's only the power of your mind that can motivate you to do this in the first place. If your excuse for not being Veeky Forums is 'muh weed' then it's probably something you didn't want so much in the first place and you're just looking for an easy way out without taking responsibility for your discipline.
Worst possible position within the industry. And it is that, unless you include the actual cleaning lady or janitor as "working in IT" because of their employer.
I already admitted to veibng middle management. How could I be better than everyone if I'm middle management? MIDDLE management.
I am fit. It's not like it's an on/off switch and I couldn't do better. And I'm scared for future.
Just figure out a good schedule for yourself. Don't smoke all day or you'll be lethargic as fuck, you gotta go get a job to keep yourself busy then hit the gym after. Or school or whatever.
Or the hundreds of technicians and analysts.......
You do realize not all companies are identical, right?
You sound so supremely pathetic trying to get a self actualized person to "realize" how "bad" they have it lol.
Classic symptom of self hatred.
I have a job and it only makes things worse.
>makes a post bragging about having a gf and a job as a programmer
>calls others pathetic
lmao
You only interpreted it as bragging because your ego is fragile.
I was merely stating the ways in which I defy the cannabis user sterotype.
You very clearly don't like yourself, get help.
And you only interpreted my reality check as an attempt to hurt you because your ego is fragile.
Or perhaps because that's what you've been trying to do for a half dozen posts lol.
Occams Razer and whatnot.
I still think you're a 16 year old making up stories, because anyone with actual experience in the field would have known this is how people INCLUDING PROGRAMMERS THEMSELVES see programmers. Only someone who's never worked a day as a programmer would be hurt by anything I said.
Today is a Python day and you are a sad little NEET.
well in moderation it IS perfectly fine, however when u start to base ur day around it thats when u got a problem and should seek help
WTF were you even trying to prove, you LARPing, faggot ass hater?
Wow you shut up quick. He didn't even prove programming wasn't shitty like you said and you quit posting. Seriously man, what compels you to not only arbitrarily shit on programming but utterly lie about your life in order to more credibly shit on this thing you just up and decided to hate with no knowledge about it.
Does success intimidate you that badly?
Honestly dude, you are a mistake, KYS.
Hey OP
What I have found helped me was to stay sober and have a good day with some friends, go to a lake and take a sunbath or generally anythinh with other people. Having conversations and sharing thoughts will remove the need to get high because you have something else to think about. Realize that good relationships with other people make you happy and that you can feel satisfied and fulfilled without smoking weed.
Repeat for several weeks till your addiction fades away. Plan your days to stay occupied.
Forgot to add using your brain for hard thinking tasks. Lern some math or physics and shit, there's loads of interesting content out there. Solve some logic riddles. This is a very good way to distract yourself and feelaccomplishment at the same time.
You lost the gym motviation
I can't wake and bake anymore because I know if I do, I'll fuck up my TDEE for the day because I get so lazy
But I still like smoking, so once in a while I'll wake up earlier, go to the gym and then smoke
I ration 3g for about 2 maybe 2.5 weeks at a time. I only get in about 30 minutes of HIIT in the morning and usually smoke in the evening after work on my 30 min drive home while I listen to interesting talks and sime good tunes. The best is once a week i cycle about 5 miles to an abandoned warehouse and hang out and bake then ride back high like a true degenerate. But at the end of the day I pay my own bills I am easing into the Veeky Forums life and the weed just helps me unwind at the end of the day. We can all make it. Degenerate or not
You can't and won't ever do anything about it, so you probably shouldn't worry about it.
For me, weed isn't even fun anymore. When I smoke, I just dwell on how I'm a skinnyfat piece of shit. Even though I've made a lot of lifestyle changes, stopped drinking, and have a more positive outlook on my future, weed puts me in a negative, self-deprecating mindset 90% of the time. I only like smoking alone because of this.
I've only smoked a few times the past 2 months, but it still makes me feel like garbage. Hopefully one day I'll be able to enjoy the positive aspects by themselves. Weed is really the only drug I like (I don't enjoy alcohol), but I don't think I should be using it at this point in my life.