Last ditch warfare WW2

Already awnsered, shush.

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>They viewed the German as failing them so they viewed what was happening as suitable punishment.

Thats fucked up, do Neo-Nazis and /pol/ ignore this little tid bit about the whole shit show or do they think that Germany deserved this punishment too?

They think everything bad about Germany is lies spread by Jews and/or Anglos after the war

Lefties can't meme

Anyone happen to have any pictures of Volksturm or heer carrying captured firearms?

Know they are hard to find seeing that the SS used them regularly before they had to empty the storage in 44'

Treasonous scum should have fought harder for the Fuhrer and for Deustches Reiches! Fucking cucks, they should have fought to the death for Hitler and for the National Socialist freedom that Hitler and his state brought to the Deutsches volkes! Traitors and cowards. Should have fought harder! But I should be less angry because the AfD is coming to the power soon. Soon German greatness will rise again!

I cringed twice looking at this image
First at the s*rbians on the map
Then once more at the image itself and the autism that produced it

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lern genitiv

ok

Poor bastards who go surrounded in the Baltics..

Just

Got something on this

My grandmom (passed away back in 2015) did radio work civilian side for the Nazis. Elected to run when she started to be told to deflate the casualty reports spectacularly (or inflate that of the enemy) to avoid the Russian rape machine. Got to France and became a GI wife. For the average German they'd have been fed those lines and lacked the means to tell otherwise unless they had a contact in the military or intelligence. So at a minimum it'd have taken the enemy arriving right to the German frontier to really start to worry. Even then it'd be easy to think "We'll get a negotiated surrender" since that was the precedence

There is a thread of suicide fantasy in a lot of neo-nazis. Perfect being the enemy of good and the desire to pull that Goebbels the Gerbil "We'll slam the door on history so hard they'll be stupefied" with a bit of the suicide-revenge fantasy. The last bit is how someone killing themselves want to imagine everyone will be sorry when they are gone, they'll realize how they screwed up and they were the bad guys. In the neo-nazis case it's the desire to have their Berlin bunker moment, to have nignogs and brown people realize in 50-100 years "Oh man we fucked up, white people were right and they were better than these soulless Chinese"

You see it with how they are more interested in screaming 1488 at the top of their lungs even when it would be worse than being more clandestine and practicing opsec and having greater success. If the choice is a race war they lose or incrementalism they win, they'll choose race war.

An apt deconstruction, but to be honest I think most if it really came down to it would pick the status quo, rather than a full blown race war - considering that they're mostly fairly cowardly, meek people.

You forgot the part where the Brits betrayed the French and blasted their navy into bits.

Didn't they scuttle it themselves?

They gave them a fair warning. Hand over the navy, or they'd blow it up. The Brits had no choice.

No, they said they would scuttle them before surrendering them to the Germans.
Attacking a neutral power because they refuse to violate the terms of their armistice is pretty despicable.

>muh vichy france was neutral

you post this nonsense every thread, vichy france was already openly collaborating with the Nazis.

And the fact is, if the allies had to violate a piece of paper to help defeat the fucking Nazis, then I support them.

And the man in charge of the French navy, whom personally knew Churchill from world War one told him that the Navy would be scuttled before given to the Germans.

And Hitler said he wouldnt invade half of the nations he went on to invade. Why would you take an opposing government at their word?

Some Luftwaffe troops in 1945. At least one of them is carrying a Mosin Nagant.

Because by virtue of that stupid attack they could have pushed the French fleet into the axis, and even actively started a war with the French. I am sure the free French forces were also not happy with that.
Also first hand accounts report that many of the French ships were ready to defect and join up with the Brits. But the Brits opened fire upon them.

And yet it was not before the deadline, with most of the admiralty being pro-german.

>Also first hand accounts report that many of the French ships were ready to defect and join up with the Brits. But the Brits opened fire upon them.

How the fuck would the Brits have known?

> Guderians last offensive in January 1945 would have cleared the overstretched Russians out of Poland and East Prussia.

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>How the fuck would the Brits have known?
Perhaps by communication with the ships before shooting them?
I am sure you think pearl Harbor was a justified sneak attack too.

Oh my fucking god. French nationalists and wehraboos are the fucking worst.

How are you equating the British giving the Fascist French State an ultimatum to join their fleet up with the British or have it blown up with the Japanese randomly attacking near undefended american ports? Do you have fun being a retard?

Furthermore, there's literally no way for sailors on board those ships to communicate, and I doubt they would've defected, considering how few soldiers joined the free french army.

>How did the army cope switching from Clausewitzian principles to pseudo-Gurrella warfare?

They didn't, lmao

>Hand over the navy, or they'd blow it up

They even gave them a third option to sail escorted to the USA so they could leave them in American harbors away from the threat of Nazi takeover (likely because the French may have been too proud to hand their ships over to the British)

They declined that option too. There was literally no reason for them to do this, they were either just fucking retards or they were actually collaborating with the Nazis.

Some topics ya'll wanna check out.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Bodenplatte
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgian_uprising_on_Texel
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_for_Castle_Itter
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hamburg_(1945)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_pockets

I disagree, for a fascist (I have spoken to many in real life... im not kidding) they are in a way, belief above life. To them, if the time came, they'd rather die than live a failure.

Of course this is easier said than done, but compare the suicides from German defeat and to an extent, Japanese defeat (not fascist I know) and compare that to the early defeats of the rest of Europe.

For many fascists, death is not a scary thing, and I think it shows. This is not a praise or criticism, but your pseudo psychology is pretty cringy. Liken their fight to the end, like a christian who remains faithful until death. They simply believe in more than themselves, which is also common in communist nations too, where many often fight bitterly to the end.

They had four options.
And that was not one of them.

>Join the British fleet and continue to fight the Germans

>Be escorted to the West Indies or to a British port

>Have the ships disarmed at Oran under the supervision of the British

>Scuttle the ships where they were harboured.

Then you also have the part where they showed up demanding this at gun point.
The French already got a concession to disarm their entire fleet in North Africa, but in a fit of autism Churchill okayed the attack anyways. And yeah when an "allied"/neutral fleet shows up and says we are in charge of you or you will be sunk it is entirely rational to tell them to piss off.

youtu.be/LUeYVcredOc
Late war weapons

I've read some (photo)books on 1944 and 1945 from the German perspective.
Very interesting to read and see.
For example pictures of the trapped Germans in Courland.

Books on 1945?

>it's entirely rational to side with the people invading and occupying your country instead of joining your allies

>violating pieces of paper is ok when we do it

fucking churchkikes

>pearl harbor
>undefended
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Pacific_Fleet#Composition_of_the_Pacific_Fleet_in_December_1941

Die genitive ist nicht importantisch. The point being is that der deutsches volkes should have fought to the death for dem fuhrer and for das Germany and das reich! But no, the fucking cucks surrender and now Deutschland was defeated und humiltaschin. Should have fought hard. Aber as Ich said before, der Deutschen Alternatischen is now on the rise. German greatness is coming back soonisch.

Bomber Harris is coming back too.

Das war criminal who attacked and murdered the Deutschen volkes in Dresden der stadt in dem deutsches nationalizten socialistic bewegnung is burning in hell for his crimes against germany.

To be fair:

>Soviet claim

As if the German sources are any more credible.

jetzt möchte ich wissen ob du wirklich deutsch kannst

>austistically shrieks about "lurn der mudslime culture waahhh".

it's a game, you're taking it way too seriously.

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Geez that rifle is almost as long as he is tall, I know the G98 is a long rifle (about 4 feet long), they couldn't get this Opa something a little smaller and easier to use?

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Russian engineering>German design

Ich can sprache deutschen just in mein own stylischen. Du can't tell me what to do with my Germanischen languanisch. I'm on the side of the Deutsches volkes who should have fought harder for dem Fuhrer and fur das Reiches! But at least AfD is coming to power soon.

Shut the fuck up, yousavage hun krautnigger.

Krautniggers are going to extinct in 2 generations you hunniger.

I FUCKING SAID FROM THE FUCKING BEGINING THIS IS A THREAD FOR LATE WAR ORIENTED DISCUSSIONS LEAVE!!!
LEAVE MY THREAD RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!!!!

There were German soldiers trained to ride bicycles to where they were needed in the event of a surprise attack from paratroopers landing behind the frontlines. It's a pity for them that they had such a severe oil shortage. I assume most of their horses were either dead or still committed to supplying the fronts.

Can I get a link to this battle?

>every army in ww2 was completely mechanized every1 had motorcycles, trucks and cars not a single allied or soviet soldier was on foot heh fuckin wehraboos

And it is entirely rational to choose to hold onto your navy instead of handing it over to either country, allied or not. The French Navu said that they would scuttle their ships if the Germans tried to take them. And they made good on their promise at toulon, regardless of the collaboration on the party of the Vichy government otherwise.
You also have to remember that handing over the French navy to Britain might very well be considered a breach of the armistice by the Germans and could have led to the removal of what sovereignty the French had left, now bereft of the only intact branch of their military.
The French navy was left with a tough choice and they chose the least objectionable one, holding onto their navy and promising that they would not hand it over to the Germans (again, a promise they made good on). While you can't realistically blame the British for their decision, neither can you fault the French by standing by theirs, especially in their situation.

Posting some late war weapons

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just like the Bulge amarite?

>believing in the Dresdehoax

He wasn't saying that, he was stating the very real fact that the German army depended heavily on horses for transport especially as oil supplies began to run out

I guess violating neutrality is fine when you win, in your view.

I'm a teaboo and I can't really defend the way the British treated France after the surrender. It drove then into the arms of the Germans.

>Vichy France
>Fascist

that's a scale model

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Well? What you got?

>watches downfall once

Was asking him if he got any on it.
Forgot the question mark.
My bad.

Lol I was original poster of that reply, I was wondering if anyone ITT knew more about it lol. All I know is they got surrounded and cut off for like a year before the war ended and kept fighting even after the surrender of the Nazis. Wonder what they're fate was and what they did while cut off from home for so long..

No it's not
airandspace.si.edu/collection-objects/focke-wulf-ta-152-h-us-captured-photograph

>But Hitler took the 6th SS panzer army away without telling him, and the offensive lost its southern pincer.
You mean the 6th SS panzer that commander joked about only having Six panzers?
I am sure that would have made so much difference.

>drove them into the arms of the germans

Then why was there a free french movment

Why did there continue to be armed resistance through france

Why did crowds gather to cheer the allies as they liberated city after city

Why am i asking you these questions when you're clearly just an uneducated neo nazi retard?

The German Engineering and decision making is too autistic. It tries to birth something theoretically super advanced, which turns out to be either completely inapplicable, or highly expensive in manufacturing and maintenance, unwieldy and vulnerable. In contrast, Russian engineering is all about dry pragmatism.

That's basically the WWII situation right here.