Phenibut dangers

Phenibut is basically a weak version of say Phenobarbital, it acts on the GABAb receptors like alcohol does. It's dumb as fuck to use considering how addictive it is and how horrible the withdrawal symptoms coming off this shit actually are. GABAa and GABAB drugs are literally the worst possible drugs you can withdrawal from, worse then heroin. Sweats, chills, anxiety, can't sleep or sit still, heart racing...it feels like your body is collapsing in on itself. It's fucking horrible.

Take this from someone who has detoxed off xanax, phenobarbital, baclofen and alcohol (all gaba receptor drugs) along with heroin.

Baclofen, less known, is almost identical to phenibut and it felt like a combo or xanax/alcohol withdrawal. I never expected it to be as bad as it was.

No, you haven't. Heroin is easy to withdrawal from.

I believe that's called speedballing

Kek. Yeah ok. I puked until all I had left to puke was green bile and I filled a bucket with that. I shit in my bed. My legs felt like someone bashed them with a baseball bat. Even after the first few days I would get one hour of sleep and go 48 awake then get another hour and then go another 48 for a few weeks. I was more depressed than you can comprehend and I spent about a month in a state of complete misery.

Were you IV'ing?

I kicked a yearlong habit last year that culminated in 1.5g a week. Snorted, never I'V'd since I have enough money to not care about rising tolerance

The physical w/ds were awful, but, by far, the worst part is the weeks that come afterwards. I felt completely empty, battling cravings every 5 minutes
Fuck opiates tbqh

Big time. Over a bun a day for a little over a year. Snorting for almost a year before that. Don't ever play with needles. They change you.

Lol penisbutt

>I was more depressed than you can comprehend

You didn't kill yourself so it wasn't that bad pussy

I'm starting in September. I'm just not going to be an idiot and only take it a few times a week, and obviously not take it with cocaine

...

I know you're lying because phenibut was literally developed as an anti-insomnia drug.

Took 6gs once and slept for like 14hrs best night of sleep in my entire life

How often did you use

I've been using phenibut responsibly for about a year now never more than 2x weekly

Huh. I'd rather just drink.

>that bait

No one cares you fucking junkie one upper

Fuck phenibut is the only thing that allows me to leave the house. Why does Shia have to ruin everything?

>use phenibut twice
>500mg each time
>feel a little loopy, didn't help me focus like I read it does
>decide to take a fuck ton, not anywhere near the fatal, but enough to see what it is supposed to do
>take 3g
>stay inside that night
>decide to watch a movie and relax
>light my candle (one of the ones in the glass container with the air tight lid)
>make some tea
>effects should start at about midnight so I figure I'll experience it for a few hours and go to sleep
>wear my pajamas as I always do when relaxing (wear only boxers while sleeping)
>find movie
>next thing I know wake up
>its 5pm
>I slept at least 14 hours
>feel very groggy
>like can barely walk correctly groggy
>almost trip over my own feet trying to go to the bathroom
>almost fall over while peeing
>walk back to my room
>typically I put out my candle by putting the lid on and letting it suffocate the flame
>I apparently thought my phone was the candle lid since it was placed on the candle
>entire candle is now finished as it never went out
>thankfully phone is ok, though no battery because it was on a candle and not the wireless charging pad
>candle lid is on my wireless charging pad so it's got full battery
>laptop is on a top shelf instead of on the desk where it always is
>check to see what movie I watched as I have 0 recollection of the night before
>apparently I didn't know what movie I wanted to watch so I asked Veeky Forums
>at least I tried to
>probably couldn't figure out captcha as there was a post box and the captcha box was highlighted as if it had been checked before
>the post itself was incomprehensible nonsense
>only know it was about movies because the only thing I could understand was the word movie
>I was going to ask in a thread about best bicep isolation
>pajamas are no where to be found
>after looking I found them hidden, my pants in a desk drawer and my shirt on top of the closet (not inside, physically on top of the closet)

Never again, deliriants are still worse

Actually the really depressed people don't usually kill themselves, they can't really bring themselves to do it, it's the mildly depressed people you have to worry about killing themselves

To follow, it was worse than being black out drunk. I have been black out many times and still manage to get shit where it belongs. Fuck, once I was drinking with my roommates in college and the next thing I know I woke up in my bed, which was made and the sheets were turned down, sitting up with my hands crossed in my lap, in my pajamas, with the fucking news on tv and I apparently cleaned the rest of my room.

Also, for real, never fuck with deliriants

kek, it reminded me of the time i took a massive amount of Zolpidem

>Wake up the next day
>Feel like shit
>Ash and blood everywhere in my bathroom
>Deep cut on my left hand
>Wtf
>No memory of what i did
>Find a half burned piece of paper with some weird drawing made with my blood

To this day i have no idea what the fuck i did that night

Phenibut is retarded. If you want to be more social take LSD or ketamine

Taking phenibut is a really bad idea

t. used to take phenibut a lot

shut the fuck up

ive kicked heroin numerous times and even im not dumb enough to think its harder than benzo or any kind of gaba withdrawal. coming off a hard phenibut or xanax habit is about 7 levels of hell deeper than any amount of heroin withdrawal.

hell, even SSRI / SNRI withdrawal is worse. if youve ever been dependent on tramadol and tried to stop youd know.

I feel sorry that you cant use phenibut to its full potential. Im not boasting im just giving an example of how it effects me. I would take around 3-4g first thing in morning, wait an hour eat breakfast then wait another hour and take around 3g more, then later in the day take micro doses like 1g a few times and feel pretty good, I went for a drive and was going 90mph+ around some country roads not so far from me, the car was twitching and unstable and stuff but I was on point, had adrenaline but wasnt anxious or anything. Took these doses for a few weeks once a week and now I dont take it at all

Sounds like you sold your soul. rip

and p.s. you could have avoided 75% of the bad feels of smack withdrawal by doin ga suboxone or methadone taper. clean turkey off opiods is retarded when so many options for coming off gently exist. theres no point at all in doing c/t other than torturing yourself, it doesnt even speed up recovery in any significant form.

anyways, for any former opiate addicts reading this, and suffering from PAWS, look into low dose naltrexone. it reset your opiate receptors much quicker than time and sobriety can do.

Wut?

Speaking of wounds

>at some hotel event/party with big group of friends
>get black out
>no one knows where I am
>at 2am they hear a knock at the door
>police officer escorting me back to the room
>I have blood on my forehead
>he tells everyone I'm not to leave the room again
>I go wash up
>5 minutes after police officer left I grab some beers, a bottle of kahlua, and take off without saying a word
>best bro hears about me leaving 5 minutes later
>said he found me by following a trail of beer cans and destruction
>found me pouring kahlua down an ice maker
>we drank the rest of the bottle
>I poured some on the hotel carpet "for the homies on memory lane" (I'm white and never listen to rap)
>eventually go back and sleep
>when I wake up I am told what happened
>after hearing about the blood check my entire body, no wounds whatsoever
>no idea where I was before being escorted back or what happened for the 2 to 3 hours I was unaccounted for

>shut the fuck up
>ive kicked heroin numerous times

Why would you keep going back? Fuckin' degenerate.

I take 1 gram exactly on friday and it feels as though i have no social anxiety for the week.

Only niggers take this to get fucked up and if your getting addicted to this...your a weak human who would probably gets physically addicted to weed.

I cannot believe people can actually develop a dependence on this, so pathetic

>I went for a drive and was going 90mph+ around some country roads not so far from me, the car was twitching and unstable and stuff but I was on point, had adrenaline but wasnt anxious or anything.
Looks like you used it exactly as supposed
>Phenibut is mandated standard equipment in a Russian cosmonaut's medical kit. The use of "conventional" tranquilizers for stress and anxiety makes patients drowsy, which was deemed unacceptable for cosmonauts; phenibut, however, lowers stress levels without adversely affecting performance. In 1975, phenibut was included in the cosmonauts' kit for those who participated in the Apollo-Soyuz joint mission.

because i have a chronic pain condition that, due to the restrictive opiod prescribing guidelines, i cant get a decent Rx of painkillers to help me live a functional and worthwhile life?

plus, its FUCKING HEROIN

care to elaborate? I'm taking phenibut once a week at the moment. why should I stop?

Once a week is fine. See this user Anyone who gets addicted to it has some personal problems to work out

>See this user
that user comes off like a complete retard though. like proper handicapped.

it must suck to live with a total lack of empathy and understanding for other peoiple

you probably twiddle your dick in the shower to lindsay lohan from mean girls, that is pretty pathetis, desu?

there's no way the effects last an entire week, either placebo or you just don't have social anxiety and are falsely attributing it to phenibut

No one cares LONDON
I have empthay for people who deserve it
You are probably right

Considering phenibut works as an inhibitor, his positive experiences under the inhibition of the phenibut can actually give him a self-esteem boost making him more uninhibited naturally because of that.

It's not much a physiological effect of the phenibut but a psychological effect of a good experience.

it has no effect on me. for the past 7 days I've taken 250mg of theanine with a cup of coffee, and i feel the same.

Creatine and fish oil also have nootropic effects

half life of 5.3 hours. You are correct

I feel like it cuts the harshness of the caffeine somewhat, but if that never bothered you in the first place then there isn't much point in taking it.

Lmao you deserved it

>social
>lsd and ket
maybe in very low dosages but I wouldnt recommend it...

Are you brain damaged, or is this phenibut thing seriously THAT insane?

I'm considering taking phenibut in less than a gram doses and three times a week after heavy training. Stories like yours guide me on what not to do. Thanks.

micro-dosing is real
10-20 micrograms of LSD is just right for social anxiety

>candle lid is on my wireless charging pad so it's got full battery

>candle lid is on my wireless charging pad so it's got full battery
lost it

Fucking deliriants man

>have trouble going to sleep
>get "non habit forming" sleep aid
>make sure there is no acetiminophine
>read it has diphenhydramamine
>never heard of it
>works but not well, figure I'll take more
>take what is apparently a threshold dose for delirium
>try jerking off as always before bed
>can't get hard
>when I do I get so easily distracted I lose the erection
>decide to post on Veeky Forums
>see a post
>think of a response
>giggle to myself for 15 minutes because of how funny I think my response is
>manage to type it out after 5 minutes of trying and either forgetting and having to remember what I was going to say or just having such shaky and weak hands that I had to focus on typing
>need to fill in captcha
>this was back when it was the two words in weird font and one had a black spot inverting the colors over it
>am literally unable to complete the captcha
>try at least 50 times, fail every time
>give up and pass out

I thought it was fun so I take just a tiny bit more the next night

>again try and jerk off, again can't maintain erection
>get frustrated so I jerk off at 60% at most hardness
>orgasm was actually really nice because I had such little control over any of my muscles it just came completely uninhibited
>smooth sailing so far but wait
>hear something
>sounds like people breaking into my house and planning on killing me right outside my room
>can hear actual voices saying actual words
>freak out
>after 20 minutes of panic realize that no one is there
>just then hear someone break in again
>again people outside my door plotting to kill me
>again realize I'm tripping after a while
>happens all night
>in between I constantly need to pee
>try to pee
>weak stream
>somehow still get a lot of dribble after putting my dick away
>the wetness from the dribble makes me think I peed my pants every 5 minutes

It would take a lot of money to get me to do a strong deliriant like datura and even then I'd have to seriously consider it

Diphenhydramine is Benadryl, user. You got high off Benadryl, you babby degenerate.

Either way I looked it up later and it is a deliriant. Apparently there are three types of hallucinogens: psychedelics, dissociatives, and deliriants. Deliriants are said to be the strongest. Part of this is because you have 0 ability to differentiate the hallucinations from reality. I've done shrooms. I tripped balls but I knew I was tripping and I realized what wasn't normal. When I had the experience I wrote about I legitimately thought people broke in and were trying to kill me. I had no idea it wasn't real. I've read similar, more severe (with stronger deliriants) stories, like someone talking to a cute girl for hours at a party only to realize that he wasn't in a party but instead in his room and the girl was actually a lamp. I saw a post on Veeky Forums where some dude thought he was talking to his brother about dead lift form while on datura despite not having a brother.

What's more fucked up is datura, at a federal level, is not regulated and is completely legal. I guess since it is so strong and so unpleasant they figure no one is dumb enough to take it recreationally more than once.

Fuck deliriants

Phenibut is fine to take as long as you are responsible. People who have problems with it were either taking too much, taking it too often or taking it in combination with another drug.

I've been taking phenibut at 2g/day for the past 1-2 months. Compliments my modafinil nicely. How fucked am I?

Is this from him stealing that baseball player's shoes?

> be 5/10 woman
> get fake tits
> maybe other surgery
> become fashion model
errytime

>I am sexually frustrated.

I would plan a taper ASAP

I'm pretty stockpiled for that reason. What's a good taper protocol? You ever been through a phenibut withdrawal?

Cut down by 250mg every couple days. It probably wont be very fun but better than going cold turkey.

SSRI/SNRI withdrawal is seriously worse than heroing wd? See, I was on Venlafaxine for half a decade, and went cold turkey one time. Right after that I went through alcohol detox, first couple days in the hospital, then onto outpatient, with a week long taper of librum.

Maybe being in the middle of a drunk of a lifetime made the SNRI withdrawal more manageable? I was basically on a liter of vodka a day by then.

Realistically, the alcohol WDs right after that were WAAAY worse. My BP was at a constant 180/110, with heart rate never going below 120 for a week. Hallucinations, insomnia, tremors like a motherfucker, the works. And that was on a chlordiazepoxide taper. I'd likely be dead if not for that.

Shit, now that I think of it, maybe I was actually detoxing from both at the same time? That would explain why it was so hard.

Anyway, not my proudest moment. Sober for 9 months now, though!

The only thing SSRI's can be shown to do with any strong statistical significance is increase the chance that someone will develop anhedonia or commit suicide.

Oh shit I have so many phenibut stories

Here's one

> go to giant party at friends uni
> Recently introduced phenibut to my friend, he loves it but becomes retarded everytime
> Take 1.5g each before predrinks
> Share bottle of vodka, mixing with red bull
> Get to concert, I'm on another fucking level
> Literally go up to any girl and since I am super confident and in the zone it almost always goes well
> friend called, got thrown out for doing too many cartwheels after security told him to stop doing cartwheels
> I end up at an after-party with all international students
> Introduce myself as Adler from Australia to everyone I meet
> dance with some short qt
> We go back to hers
> Oh fuck the fake name thing can't be revealed now
> Have to fake an Australian accent the whole night and next morning
> Leave next morning
> She still thinks she met some Australian dude

>Trusting and taking anything that was invented in the USSR

I don't think so, prim8

heroin withdrawal makes you feel like warmed over death for 3-5 days and then a couple weeks of the blahs depending on how long youve been using.

ssri/snri withdrawal has all sorts of fucked up symptoms like brain zaps and panic attacks and impending doom. i just know it would destroy me. at least with opiate withdrawal you can do things to alleviate temporarily your suffering, but the mental shit from anti depressants is enough to drive u insane

i'm so glad that i never went on ssri's out of social stigma. I've heard nothing but bad stories....

Anyone have good stories?

Most of this thread is convincing me to try this shit, am I getting meme'd on?

pretty fucked probably, if you take it more than 3-4 times a week you build up a tolerance, and it sounds like withdrawal sucks. do this

No user,actually,it's pretty great.
Doesn't have much downsides,occasional use has next to no risks

Just don't do it too often
Cheap as fuck as well,i got it in pill form because i'm a lazy cunt but i advise you to get it in powder form and then buy a scale,you'll get better value.

Or you know just coke and alcohol like a regular degenerate

I'm on an SSRI for depression with anxiety/obsessive aspects, has helped tremendously. I'm just one guy and it could be a placebo or whatever. It wasn't a cure-all, but it keeps the worst of my symptoms at bay. When I was first prescribed it I was nonstop depressed to the point I'd skip therapy sessions, it helped me "back off the cliff" if you will (wasn't suicidal, symptoms were just really bad) and get my head straight enough that I could help myself get better

Lol, one time I took a combo of 50mg Zolpidem, 500mg of DXM and 700mg of DPH. I initially meant to take a bit of Zolpidem but I ended up eating just about everything in my medicine cabinet.

>Watching Bizarre Foods with my boy Andrew Zimmern for about an hour
>Multiple copies of his head come out of the screen and start talking to me, so I knew I was fucked
>Decide to go to sleep so I don't do something stupid but I keep getting distracted
>Hallucinate that my friend is smoking a blunt next to my bed but every time I reach for it he turns into smoke and reappears on the other side
>Get up and try to hang out with my sister
>She's changing her clothes so when I open the door she slams it on my face
>Fell over and bit through my lip
>Oh shit, parents know something's up
>Mom moves me into my room and sits in front of the door so I don't walk out and fall down the stairs
>Start shaking her head because I thought she was the on/off switch for my computer
>PC is actually on the floor since I had no power supply
>End up talking to the bedpost because I thought it was a black kid from the Great Depression and scrolling through an imaginary iPod
>Thought I had the power to see through my eyelids and reach through the carpet

Shit was fucked. I lost 10 lbs from sweating so much and got a gnarly scar from biting through my lip.

Don't do drugs Veeky Forums.

I've had to withdrawal off heroin, phenobarbital, xanax, and alcohol. The only drug that I didn't go to a detox was heroin because it was hell but tolerable. GABA receptor drugs are a fucking nightmare. 1 year clean from all drugs/alcohol.

And if you think I didn't have a bad heroin addiction I was doing 12-15 bags of Chicago dope a day. At least 7-8 just to avoid acute w/d.

Posts like these make me glad i never did drugs, just made a fool of myself playing drinking games and doing shots.

Sertraline stopped me killing myself maybe. It also fixed a long term anxiety condition that I was ignoring. For 2-3 years I would vomit before during and after sex. Also at clubs and social events with too many people. It was the social gains version of snap city.

I think Im better now. I just found an old suicide note while cleaning my room (there are a lot of them) and it just seems so alien. I cant believe I wrote this shit.

SSRIs numb you. the lows will be nowhere near as bad, but you also lose a lot of ambition, creativity, and happiness from good things. I would sometimes skip a dose before going to see friends so I could be happier around them, but it didnt do much.

Hey Bill, aren't you supposed to be dead.

Don't fool yourself, I did probably the stupidest shit in my life drunk and have taken a fair amount of drugs

>drinking with 3 really good buddies
>we always make bold, stupid, claims
>tell them I bet I could fill a gallon with piss faster than they could
>they disagree
>we plan out the dumbest competition I'll ever partake in drunk as fuck
>next day they still challenge me
>I can't take that sort of challenge laying down
>start making preparations as the time we are set to start is in the evening
>everyone buys a gallon of water
>I decide to chug mine as fast as I can
>still 4 hours until competition
>go and get 5 powerades and some salty peanuts to help
>finish the final one by the time we begin
>another buddy thought refilling and drinking the gallon twice more was the best strategy
>another buddy got a smaller water bottle in the morning, marked intervals and planned out how much water he had to drink every 5 minutes
>he drank the most but was miserable
>final buddy got drunk
>super drunk
>10 minutes before he also chugged half a gallon of water
>time comes, let the games begin
>my strategy is consistent, the buddy that refilled the gallon started slower, buddy that measured won
>the three of us finished within 10 minutes of each other
>last buddy took over an hour more
>kept missing the gallon
>the three non drunk guys had crystal clear (essentially) piss
>drunk buddy's piss was dark
>he couldn't stop peeing the entire night but we drink so our buddy isn't drunk alone
>put 4 gallons of piss in hidden spot in garage
>for a few days talk about what pranks we can do with them
>end up forgetting about them for 9 months
>buddy finds them when moving out
>three gallons of non drunk piss are gross
>other gallon is the most disgusting thing I've ever seen
>looks like fur is growing in it
>we decide to throw off his roof onto the busy street below

Cont.

>winner throws first
>gallon explodes
>immediately smells like a circus fucked a sewer
>smell is overwhelming even on the roof
>next two add slightly to the noxious odor
>the furry piss gallon is next
>it is thrown
>at the same time a girl is jogging across the street
>she sees it explode and is confused
>the next instant the smell hits her and her face turns from confusion to revulsion
>see her gag
>smell then hits us
>makes the old smell seem like a freshly baked cake
>it's like an evil candle company made a scent out of rotting corpses, a fat person shit, and smelling salts
>we all start feeling sick, had to go inside
>had to go somewhere so I go out back for my car
>still overpowering out back
>still overpowering in the car
>feel physically sick from smell of fermented piss

That is one of many stupid things booze made me and my buddies do

Keep it up pal, 3 years sober for me last month, shits still hard and still feel the urge to drink most days, if it gets too much I find a bottle or two of non-alcoholic beer acts like a placebo and helps take the edge off

he said when he was withdrawing ass fuck

How the fuck did you get your hands on Baclofen? Do you have MS? Also did you get CNS affects from it? Because that shit primarily works in the periphery and spinal cord (GABA-B receptor location)

You dumb nigger tramadol is primarily an opiate with some SNRI activity. The withdrawal you felt was mainly from overactivating your endogenous endorphins rather then the serotonin/norepinephrine brain chemistry.

What about Ashwigandha. Have a holistic psychiatrist put me on it for bipolar disorder

no, booze didnt do that, you and your friends being utter retards did. all it took was a little slackened inhibition.

phenibute is alright just don't be an idiot. Know your doses.

Ok, once we poop dollared a drunk guy who thought it was a good idea to essentially yell obscenities at a house at 3am. That got him sent to the drunk tank. That was booze

you fucking dickweed, so you are telling me the brain zaps that come from tramadol withdrawal are from mu-agnosim wd and not snri wd?

you are probably a fucking student in training to be a pharmacist or doctor, know-it-all cuck who thinks he is the shit

"overactivating" my endogenous endorphins? you fucking retard, that makes ZERO sense. endorphins are endogenous opiods, which activate opiod receptors. get a fuckin brain before you try to school me

I took 250mg of Tramadol on an empty stomach coming back from Las Vegas once, and had a very, very good time. The plane felt like a fucking spaceship and I was glued into my seat the entire ride. I even got eye wiggles, which I usually only get with really good molly.

Would recommend.