PAY FOR MY LAZINESS AND GLUTTONY

>Thats like saying you want to ban food charity giveaways
Socialized healthcare is not charity though. Charity is voluntary, socialism is forced. Being for socialized healthcare is being against freedom and that makes you a bad person.

You wont give to charity, you just like to say you would. Forcing you to give money for healthcare is the bast way to regulate it, even if 20% of your money is put into wrong people, you still save 80% of people from life of misery. Its well worth it

>Being for socialized healthcare is being against freedom and that makes you a bad person.
try harder troll

>try harder troll
It's the truth you socialist retard.

Is it the same cunt that makes 5 boogie threads a day?

I paid over 800 dollars last year to NOT have insurance.

Those sloppy fucks who get cancer or get injured in accidents all deserve what they got.

It is fucking amazing to me that people will opt into modern society and still say "yeah but fuck that guy, let him rot".

If even a couple of the tards complaining IN those threads bothered to report it it would get removed.

youtube.com/watch?v=DOZYc_AYd20

0:26 seconds Veeky Forums BTFO

>just American things

ROLLING

>You wont give to charity
I would. The reason I don't give to charity is precisely because I'm heavily taxed already.

>Its well worth it
Nope. Take a look at the heavily government subsidized airport in Berlin and where all that money went.

>started construction in 2006
>still under construction and will not be opened in 2017

Fuck government subsidies. I'm paying for this shit. I'd rather have companies go bankrupt or not have that airport built at all than subsidizing them. We already have 2 functioning airports in Berlin: Tegel and Schönefeld.

This is what socialism does. It sounds GREAT on paper, but the implementation is too costly and wasteful.

If the government is pumping your ass full with money, then you don't give a shit how you spend it or what the result will be.

Rolling

I 100% promise you your healthcare system is better and less costly than the US system.

It is fucking amazing to me that people will opt into modern society and still say "yeah let's force people to pay for other people's healthcare".

>People that take care of themselves deserve healthcare
If they take care of themselves they already have healthcare, and they don't have to wait 2 months to see a doctor like in socialized systems.

If digits everyone in this thread will PAY

>less costly than the US system
The US performs the overwhelming majority of all medical R&D in the world.

We are in effect already subsidizing the entire world's healthcare by doing your research for you.

1) it's not better. Les costly, i dont know, but it's not better. Im from spain, when our king needed surgery, he went to the US, he didnt have his surgery here. Everybody knows that socialized healthcare is trash.

2) US system is expensive because it is regulated to death. Get govt out of the way and you get cheaper and better healthcare.

Nah, not really

Could you afford to fly to the US to see a world class specialist? I live in the US, I can barely afford to go see my primary care doctor when I have an actual problem.

when he winds up in the hospital because he can't afford his own doctors/insurance, then we actually will pay
hospitals treat everyone and it's paid for with our tax dollars

And your hospital bills

>I live in the US, I can barely afford to go see my primary care doctor when I have an actual problem.
At least you get to see a doctor. If you lived in europe you might have to wait months before you get to see a shitty doctor while you are taxed to death.

US healthcare is expensive because it's regulated to death. Free markets would fix that.

>I can barely afford to go see my primary care doctor

Get insurance you pleb. A single visit costs $15. Last time I had a problem, I got diagnosed and had surgery within the span of 2 weeks.

Honestly, unless you're a poorfag the US has the best healthcare on the planet.

This meme again? Yeah if it's not that urgent you might have to wait a little while, but guess what, you can still buy private insurance in Spain too.

If I didn't have decent insurance I wouldn't have a primary care doctor.

You do know that the #1 most likely reason you might go bankrupt is that you or a family member gets cancer, right?

>guess what, you can still buy private insurance in Spain too
Yeah, but you are forced to pay for the socialized shit too, retard.

>You do know that the #1 most likely reason you might go bankrupt is that you or a family member gets cancer, right?
So?

Why do Boogie threads get made, only kids care about E-celebs

>If I didn't have decent insurance
If you can't afford copay you definitely do not have good insurance.

>You do know that the #1 most likely reason you might go bankrupt is that you or a family member gets cancer, right?

FYI healthcare in other countries is not any cheaper, just borne by the state. American healthcare is expensive, but that's the fault of the AMA limiting doctors more than anything. American medical science is on the bleeding edge, which is why when cancer is cured, it will be an American university that does so. Until then, have fun paying to support pakis that want you dead ;)

>"Can't afford healthcare"

Yet he can afford all those deluxe/ultimate editions of video games. Oh FFS...

Priorities, has no problem stuffing his face either. I have no sympathy for him.

>you still save 80% of people from life of misery. Its well worth it

How is it well worth it?

I don't know those people, and I don't owe them a damn thing. What intrinsic value do I get from helping them? More handouts for single mothers, refugees, and BLM rioters?

rollin

Relax, Hitler

How is that amazing at all?

'''''Modern society''''' (as nebulous of a term as that is) comes with no prerequisites on what we should objectively do. You speak like someone who exclusively dwells on upvote enforced echochambers.

The health care policy he outlined is like the opposite of Nazi Germanys.

No

>Fucking over the general public because a bunch of fat fucks just don't give a fuck about their own health. Actually, this is why I'm against socializing anything at all.

>I'd let them die if it were up to me.

Sounds pretty Hitler'y to me

>Implying everyone on Veeky Forums has the same situation/beliefs

Are you using a comic from The Onion to support your argument?

>Sounds pretty Hitler'y to me
Thats because you know nothing about Hitler.

Nazi= National Socialist

Key word socialist. The economy was controlled by the govt way more than today in germany. That poster was arguing for less control.

>Humanity should live like a pack of baboons because I don't value my PEERS

Yes the emphasis is there to wind you up

I'm for people that need help getting help, like welfare recipients. I draw the line were it becomes a lifestyle. Welfare should be a safety net so people can get back on their feet and get off it. I'm for welfare deadlines, if you're still on it after a certain amount of time, you're done, and maybe it some circumstances those people can get extensions.

I used to work at an inner city grocery store, and would hear people bragging about generations of their family being on welfare. I got PISSED one time I had to bring grocery's to someones car and saw that I was bringing them to a BRAND NEW 2015 escalade.

>We don't say to the rich 'Give to the poor', we say 'German people, help each other'. Rich or poor, each one must help thinking, there's someone even poorer than I am, and I want to help them as a fellow countryman.

Hitler looked out for Germans (who agreed with him). The medical system was socialized in Nazi Germany.

Gotcha, Hitler didn't advocate for a pure gene pool and killed off the people who didn't fit his views just because he was a "socialist"

WOW you're the one who knows nothing about Hitler just because something is in the name doe not make it true. I will help you out "Hitler was a Pan-Germanic nationalist whose ideology was built around a philosophically authoritarian, anti-Marxist, anti-Semitic, anti-democratic world-view".

You got memed on lmao

>wind me up

About what? You're restating what I said in a different way. The average American is a lazy, entitled, fat piece of shit. The streets are full of rioting assholes protesting the fair election of Donald Trump who would probably assault me for being a conservative, and you expect me to care for and help this filth?

welfare was intended as a safety net

>force

we live in a democracy you cunt. If you don't like a law, you have the ability to get it changed with your vote. It just turns out that most people would rather have government backed health insurance so they don't become destitute from a doctor visit.

I don't like faggots flying a traitor faggot confederate flag in my state but you think I get my panties in a twist? No, because I know I live in a democracy and I value free speech. So if your dumbass get's cancer and has to pay $70k to get better. I will happily pay a little extra so that you don't get into bankruptcy. Because even though I don't agree with you, you're still a fellow american and I want what's best for you.

It makes me sad if you don't feel the same way but we can't everything we want.

Are you fucking stupid?

God why are lefties so fucking dumb.

No one said that shit you dumb bitch.

Show me once where someone said some shit like that.

Stop tipping your fedora, by trying to whip out your preconcieved reddit arguments when they don't even fit.

The other poster was calling someone Hitler because they were advocating for a free market healthcare system. Which Nazi Germany objectively did not have. That's it. The conversation was about how that person was a fucking idiot, and about healthcare in Nazi Germany. Now you're trying to extrapolate some shit no one has even said because you're a mouthbreathing reddit psuedointellectual.

You too.

And North Korea are democrats just because it says so in their name

And you too.

>The other poster was calling someone Hitler because they were advocating for a free market healthcare system.
No, I'm pretty sure that I know what I said. I called him Hitler because he said he's against socialized health care because fat people use it and that fat people should be left to die instead

i licc thicc dicc

Ok I see

I know

These people are your fellow americans you faggot. You're saying you don't give a fuck about your fellow americans dying in the street? Those single moms are also raising kids and have families who depend on them. Do they deserve to suffer because of your selfishness? If you help the moms, the kids can grow up in better environments and get off of welfare. The family members don't have to spend their money on supporting the single moms and their kids and can spend their money where it adds value like starting a business. That means more tax payers entering the economy. More productive tax payers entering the economy means that we can look forward to lower tax rates overall assuming we get a competent federal government.

Not all BLM people are rioters just like not all trump voters are deplorables. It's so sad that this needs to be repeated again and again. These people have shit schools, shit role models and are constantly treated like lepers by society so just like hillbillies, they embrace the hatred society has for them and lash out whenever they get the chance. If we can pour resources into improving their neighborhoods, maybe we can break the cycle and can stop dealing with the rioting bullshit. It's fucking obvious that the standard approach of dealing with them like pariahs isn't working.

As for refugees, if we don't help them out with healthcare, we're creating a situation which incentivises them to commit crimes si we;ll end up paying for it another way.

can i licc ur pricc u spicc

Libertarianism is cancer, the solution is some sort of NATIONAL Socialism. Everybody contributes. In such a system Boogie would be put into a Labour camp until he either loses weight or dies.

>freedom

Why should I have to pay for fat fucks bad health, WHICH THEY THEMSELVES CAUSED?

>we live in a democracy you cunt.
No, it's a republic. The constitution is supposed to set certain limits on what the govt can do (rights).

Just because 51% vote the other 49% should be gassed doesnt mean it's right.

>I will happily pay a little extra so that you don't get into bankruptcy.
I wont pay for you healthcare happily, i will only pay if i am forced to do so. Idgaf if you end up bankrupt.

> Because even though I don't agree with you, you're still a fellow american and I want what's best for you.
Go fuck yourself. Destroying my freedom by forcing me to pay for your healthcare is not doing whats best for me, you disgusting prick.

Different worldviews then. I'm a europoor so bismarckian social security is deeply intertwined with our history and the development of labor laws. I couldn't really imagine a conservative american model in my society. But then again the economy's less favourable for able workers: I'm a law graduate who makes 20k€ a year (which is considered a good early career pay).

The idea behind it is collective insurance: yeah maybe some fat fuck who can't take care of his body will get some of my money, but without this system thousands more of legitimately ill, hard working and responsible people will die a horrible death, maybe even me. So I'm fine with it even if I sometimes want to punch someone when I see my paysheet.

>So I'm fine with it
You're fine with being a sacrificial animal. I'd recommend reading this book.

Because that's what a civilized society looks like, dumbass. They pay for you as well, why should they have to pay for someone who's completely healthy?

>Because that's what a civilized society looks like, dumbass.
I disagree. A civilized society is not one in which you're forced to pay for other people's healthcare, education and whatnot. Stealing is not very civilized.

he said he lost 23 lbs in 4 days.

the fat ass is probably guzzling down another mountain dew as we speak.

>Ayn Rand

What a load of horseshit. Rand is rock bottom, even on the conservative spectrum. Locke, Burke and Babbitt have more to say without the fucking annoying snarky style.

As an aside, here's my recommandation.

why dont you retards just throw boogie in a prison cell for 2 years or until he loses weight?

i dont mind paying for healthcare that actually works but you retards want us to pay for the most retarded shit that doesnt work at all.

"Someday will have to pay" is unironically one of my favorite memes.

Then move to Somalia and you'll see what civilization looks like where the state doesn't "steal" from you

Ah, the somalia meme. Nice job, user.

god aynd rand is such shit. fits shallow faggots like you I guess

Just as valid of an argument as saying taxation is theft is

I disagree. Rand is the best of the bunch, and your recommendation sucks.

>Destroying my freedom

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA

Yeah because you live in Saudi Arabia right? You're fucking spoiled rotten kid. You don't know what it means to not have freedom. This is a seat belt so that if the worst case scenario happens, you are covered. You have the ability to get it repealed if you want. It just turns out that the majority of the country disagrees with you and thinks you're a spoiled selfish prick (which is true) and is proved by you saying this

>I wont pay for you healthcare happily, i will only pay if i am forced to do so. Idgaf if you end up bankrupt.

Pathetic.

Yes, we live in a democratic republic if you want to be pedantic. At no point was I implying that I support majority rule or that I don't understand what the constitution is so you clearly lack reading comprehension.

>I often hear people argue (often quite militantly) that the United States is a republic, not a democracy. But that’s a false dichotomy. A common definition of “republic” is, to quote the American Heritage Dictionary, “A political order in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who are entitled to vote for officers and representatives responsible to them” — we are that. A common definition of “democracy” is, “Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives” — we are that, too.

>The United States is not a direct democracy, in the sense of a country in which laws (and other government decisions) are made predominantly by majority vote. Some lawmaking is done this way, on the state and local levels, but it’s only a tiny fraction of all lawmaking. But we are a representative democracy, which is a form of democracy.

washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/11/14/the-united-states-is-both-a-republic-and-a-democracy-because-democracy-is-like-cash/?utm_term=.781954f5cc3f

Different user and no its not faggot. Its a false comparison.

Hey, I am also from Germany. I've lost 85 kg without any operation or medicine.

Healthcare still treats me like shit and I have to pay for my excess skin removal surgeries. I've literally saved them thousands of Euros because I am not going to be crippled with triple bypasses when I am 40. Yet that same healthcare pays for expensive chemo therapies, wheelchairs and treatments for fatties who never made an effort and smokers who just can't quit.

Reward those who don't try and punish those who fight.... great system.

some taxes are theft, dumbass.

>you're a spoiled selfish prick

Yes, I am selfish. And you are not, which makes you pahetic. Why shouldn't I do what's best for me? How do I benefit from being forced to pay for some stranger's healthcare?

rand is a snakeoil salesman and libertarianism is a cancer

>You wont give to charity
not if I can't afford it.

>Some
What

There are two types of pre-existing condtions:

1. No your fault... ex genetic faults, internal cancers, etc.
2. your fault... alcoholics, obesity, drug usage

I am OK with paying for "1. no your fault " per-existing conditions.

I WILL NOT pay for per-existing conditions due to someones lifestyle choices. Be an alcoholic if you want to be but I am NOT paying for a new liver for you.

if you cant even understand that at least some are theft you are fucking brain dead

>I only do things which have direct tangible benefit to me

That's why you're pathetic, user

Okay. I disagree :)

Nope. Why should I do things that are bad for me.

>No patriotic spirit
>circular logic
>no concern for his fellow citizen
>no desire to uplift his fellow citizens to a better standard of living
>can't even fucking spell
>Hasn't outgrown childish Randian pseudo philosophy.
>selfish and miserly like Scrooge
>Probably has a small dick too

I advocate for health care for conservatives because a small part of me feels pity for them. Like they're so fucking pathetic, they need to be coddled like children. This charming post of yours just proves it.

You didn't answer.

You'll change your mind once a loved one becomes an alcoholic or heroin addict.

Several incredibly talented and intelligent people throughout history have suffered from addiction including pretty much everyone who makes our movies and our music. Excluding them from help hurts all of us.