Is excessive weightlifting/bodybuilding superficial?

It is fun and feels good to do a heavy workout?
Some people like running some people like lifting weights. 3 times a week is not excessive and enough for a good body, that doesn't mean you are vain just because you enjoy it.

>10 years of boxing
I'm already a pretty strong beta cuck. I just like to make sure that the activities I invest my time in are being invested in for worthwhile reasons.

No, I'm a dom so most of the girls I'm with are slaves to /my/ desires.

idk, 3+hours a week lifting is a lot of time to invest in something. I agree that working out does feel good.

>3 hours a week is a lot
I bet you spend more time jerking off you fucking normie

Define "best."

Wrong. I only spend 2 hours a week jerking off.

Strongest, smartest, best looking, most accomplished that I can be. Lifting is only part of it, but an impotant part.

All of those terms are subjective though. To one person strong might mean lifting a lot, to another it might mean knowing how to fight, to another it might mean assertiveness.

Same goes for smartest and best looking.

And these things depend on your basic life philosophy. I get the feeling that all of the goals from your point of view come from a place of external value. You want to be strong, smart, good looking, and accomplished to appease and impress others. So I think our fundamental philosophies differ.

>To one person strong might mean lifting a lot, to another it might mean knowing how to fight, to another it might mean assertiveness
Only the first one is correct
>I get the feeling that all of the goals from your point of view come from a place of external value.
Nice projection you fucking faggot. How about you stop using buzzwords as excuses and hit the fucking gym

Great job being a narrow-minded individual. You probably adhere to mainstream "gotta get money and hoes" and are dismissive of anything outside of that lifestyle.

I find it laughable especially that you think 'strong' can only equate to lifting a lot. In a fight, a person that trains in MMA will destroy any non-trained person that can squat 600 lbs. A person that is assertive in situations that require it will fare better than a person that can benchpress 300 lbs but is timid. So who's the strong one in those scenarios? Likewise, a person that can lift a lot in a gym setting will be better at lifting weights than any of the aforementioned individuals.

You project so hard they ought to put you in a fucking imax.
First of all, I never said anything about hoes or money, though I do intend to raise good kids once my career is more established.
Secondly, no, I'm not timid, and it's not like it takes effort to not be. This is not something anyone but whiney cunts like you have to worry about.
Thirdly, street fighting is for niggers, which is why I carry a gun

>When you look at your self in the mirror you go "fuck im fucking sexy god fucking dammit"
t. buffalo bill

>Convince me why I should lift Veeky Forums
I know this will be a completely foreign concept for you, but let me break it down:

Reasons you should lift:
1.) You want to

Alternatively, if you do not want to lift weights then you should avoid lifting weights.

Lol you didn't have to say anything. It was obvious and implied by your words. I hesitated mentioning "starting a family and having a good career" as part of the lifestyle you want to lead, but you've confirmed it so thanks for that. So predictable.

>Secondly, no, I'm not timid, and it's not like it takes effort to not be.

Do you know how to read? I was talking in hypotheticals with those examples.

>you can be healthy enough through running and calisthenics.
>What's the point of putting on muscle?

Running and calisthenics do not convey the same benefits as strength training. Literally every person on Earth that isn't in a coma should be doing some form of strength training 2-3x per week.

Nah, not foreign. I'm well acquainted with lifting heavy. It's enjoyable, but so is doing tabata burpees, and those take about 10% of the time it takes to get a valuable lifting session in.

And there's always a reason behind every action. Most people don't want to just "do it" in a vacuum. If you want to do it because you really really like lifting weights with no other ulterior motive, than all the power to you, but I don't think that way.

Yeah weight lifting in moderation is fine. Title says "excessive weightlifting."

"So predictable"? What the fuck are you even trying to say. You're just trying to justify being a lazy weak piece of shit.

Weight lifting is only excessive when you overtrain and inhibit your gains. Or, in a more long term sense, if you're a retard that takes HGH

>lazy weak
Lol, no I'm not. I'm a lifelong athlete you pleb. Boxing, mma, basketball, soccer, track.

There's no reason trying to inspire a faggot that doesn't belong in the gym. One less person on the racks

>not wanting to inspire people
:/

Ah, I see, you're a hyperagressive fight fag who's buttmad that people correctly think that lifters are better looking and more desireable then martial artists

I want to want to lift weights. i just need good reasons to.

Lol, uhhhh... no. You can view the post that you first replied to as evidence of that.

Your first reply was rambling nonsense trying to imply that being big and strong were not objectively good features

It really sounds like you're overcomplicating things. If you genuinely enjoy the process and results of lifting, then continue lifting. If you don't enjoy it and would rather do tabata burpees, yoga, running, biking, or something else, then just do that instead. In the end it all comes back to goal-oriented programming, where the goal is your own continued happiness. Continuously forcing yourself to do strenuous exercise that don't really like and can also potentially injure you really isn't healthy.

Yeah, good for impressing others, and that's not a life philosophy I agree with.

Well I remember reading a while ago that humans would travel fairly far sometimes to hunt, and they would end up having to carry chunks of the animal back to their dwelling place. That's basically a farmer's walk. It seems like we're built to carry moderately heavy weights over some distances, and if you aren't working a physical labor job where you do something similar, you aren't going to be as healthy as you could be.

I usually do moderate weightlifting pretty much every day, but recently I did as much as I could until I was basically unable to do more. Near the end of that workout, I started to get a high feeling from an endorphin release I guess. It made me feel really good, like I was kind of floating and it almost made it feel like there was no weight to the weights, even though my muscles were getting fatigued. This might sound dumb, but after that happened I made a song that I actually liked, and I hadn't done that for a while.

What do you even mean by excessive? Anything that is "excessive" is too much, that's what the word means.

"Excessive" meaning more than is required for healthy living in modern society. Is there a point to lifting 500 pounds other than lifting 500 pounds?

>and they would end up having to carry chunks of the animal back to their dwelling place. That's basically a farmer's walk. It seems like we're built to carry moderately heavy weights over some distances

Now, that's interesting.

"born to run" is bullshit. There is no evidence that humans actually did distance running hunting. The one tribe that does it today only does it as a tourism gimmick and not a source of food. If you actually do the math for calories expended actually running, transporting the meat, etc, it makes no fucking sense from a nutritional standpoint. Jamie Lewis wrote a decent article about it a few years ago. The whole persistence hunting thing is just shit a couple dudes made up after observing that trained humans are good at running really fucking far.

Yeah, and it also said that they had more developed forearms than biceps from swinging around weapons and carving up animals.

I'm not talking about persistence hunting. I'm talking about people just going out and hunting with their throwing spears or whatever, normally hunting, but having to travel miles back to their camp with heavy chunks of meat.

I've lifted the front end of a car off of one of those concrete bumper things after a guy pulled too far forward and got stuck. I've deadlifted a tire iron and gotten a nut loose after my significantly larger friend couldn't do it. I can move all my furniture upstairs by myself. I wouldn't be able to do this stuff if I didn't have a 6 plate deadlift.

There is no amount of strength that is detrimental. Being stronger isn't a con. That said, I don't do deadlifts so that I can help move furniture. I just like lifting weights.

That's cool, but a rarity to have to deal with such situations. If you genuinely like doing it then all the power to you.

You shouldn't lift if you aren't internally motivated. We don't want you

Yeah, lifting, a thing most people do alone, is all about other people, whereas fighting, a thing you literally cannot do by yourself, is all about self improvement. Stupid faggot.

Ever hear of a little thing called self-defense you thick moron?

Horrible reasoning. People can become motivated by good reasoning, just the same way they can be motivated internally.

All increases in lean mass improve health and health span until you start using anabolics. There is no "too much", or even "enough", only diminishing returns

It's not that rare. Not that guy but I've had to help my grandmother and one of her older friends with yard work which was made easier by me having been lifting weights and getting stronger. Had to help someone carry a heavy machine and it was easier for me because I regularly exercised. You probably won't be needing to lift 500 lbs, but as long as you aren't excessively straining or hurting yourself, lifting 500 lbs once in a while will make it easier to lift 100 lbs of stuff in your day to day life.

Valid points.

A real self defense situation is rarely a fair one on one fight. They'll bring friends, have a weapon, attack you from behind or when not paying attention. Which is why I carry. If anything, being big is more helpful in such a situation then knowing how to fight, as it makes you less of a target.

That's not what I'm saying. Do it if you want to do it, but we aren't here to hold your hand. My only advice to is to wear band t-shirts, jeans, and vans to be a chill guy. The girls like that

deciding to satisfy your desires doesn't make you a slave

>implying Veeky Forums isn't already gay

If you spend an inordinate time doing one thing in order to satisfy your animal level lust it does.

Good points worth consideration.