/fraud general/

this is false, tons of successful bodybuilders started roiding younger, notably arnold

that isn't low test at all, and there's no evidence whatesoever to suggests that people with higher than average, but still physiologically normal levels of testosterone, have any advantage in strength or muscle gain over people with normal levels

aromatase is produced in proportion to one's fat mass—get lean and then see how you fare

>my hormones are already fucked so I'll fuck them up even more

>aromatase is produced in proportion to one's fat mass—get lean and then see how you fare
I'm 6'4 147 lbs

hmm, maybe there's something else going on then

How should i start cutting on cruise dose? Can i hop on bigger deficit than i did as a natty?

No, I got tren cough one time out like 50 injections. It's like swallowing water the wrong way; it's really uncomfortable for like 3 minutes. And then it's like it never even happened.

Looking good, incline barbell bench and cable flies

Are you still alive? What happened after the hospital trip and cheating on gf a while ago?

she finally came to her senses and got out thankfully

How am I supposed to fix them?

I rarely eat stuff out of plastic or cans

Cheque drops

but i do all of that :(

I now live near the Canadian border. GF and I split but are still cordial. Met new girl up here but that fell apart recently. Now working a pretty good job running a gym and staying out of trouble. Almost 5 months clean. How you been?

Do more of them

Nice recovery. Don't fuck up now lol

Acne fucked everything up in the end. Doxy did jack all and made it worse. Now on 80mg ED accutane for 3 months and 3 months left.
Probably lots of scars and red spots left when I'm finished but there are worse things to worry about

You look natty

>in gym
>see this hot anavar chick eying me
>get her number
>wow her voice is a little manly

So my gym bro says ti me 'thats a dude'

Wtf do i do? Were both regulars

Help guys

this is a natty thread if you didnt notice so far.
Its called fraud because every each of us has fraud genetics, which equals basically cheating because we are so gifted.

also dont be a faggot about it and do what you want without listening to your faggot SJW cuck friends

my body produces tren naturally

i have always wondered, if tren naturally occurs in human and if not, which animal has it?

I know that nandrolone is produced in tiny amounts by pregnant woman.

AFAIK tren is a cattle growth hormone

its kinda scary to inject a foreign hormone that doesnt belong to humans. Really scary.

Does tren occur in cattle, or is it literally "invented" for cattle?

scary stuff

It's invented for cattle. Veterinary grade trenbolone seems to be the bees knees

How plump are your balls with the ugl HCG?

no such thing as ugl hcg

you don't want veterinary grade tren because it's pellets with estrogen mixed in

that doesn't stop people from taking it lol. Finaplix is hard to come by though

Generic hcg whatever you wanna call it

started 500 mg test per week with .5 mg arimidex last week.
Anything i can do to maximize gains? How much will I lose post cycle from what was gained?

add tren

How long does it really take Test E to kick in? I'm 15 days into doing 500mg a week.

Parabolan is a thing.

honestly bro, the real answer is like 2 months, and i would caution you not to believe any of the retard tier retards that say otherwise.

testosterone does not really have acute effects. the effects are a result of EXPOSURE over a long period of time. think of it like puberty, it doesn't happen within a month. so, if you're running enth, you need a full month before you even hit your peak stable blood levels and then the exposure period can really start to settle.

i would say by day 30, you should notice some slight changes, but by day 60 and beyond they should be fairly exponential

>mfw all these idiots on drug forums talking about raging libidos or confidence boost like 2-3 weeks in

don't trust the redditors. they are idiots

4 weeks, but you should start feeling it now. I went from absolutely no libido to jacking it 5 times a day around week 2.

In regards to this,what if the pct is non existent?

I have pct , I'm just wondering if you know how long for your system to normalize if there is no pct and the cycle is stopped at 12 weeks

maybe you have high test to begin with, so not so much of a difference. Me, going from 200 to 3800 ng over 4 weeks is a big change, at least in libido.

What supps/roids will throw my sex drive into overdrive? I'm on TRT and don't feel too different after 3 months

Your libido issues might have been estrogen related then.

Again, get your estrogen checked.

Post your routines

Okay boys, to hgh at 4ius starting now or not?

How long can I stretch this shit? I'll be cruising in 2 months, can I bridge a cruise with this?

Is it even worth it? Its in my fridge right now and its taunting me.

...

Stop the cruise and grow

lol

Since im bulking on Test E should I just go for hypertrophy sessions? Wanna get thicc but not sure how to program something for strength and also aesthetics.

What do.

Also should I bother with a pct for my first cycle?

Posted this in last thread but it saged, here we go again.

Hey /fraud/ I've lurked for a long time and wanted to know what you thought about my first cycle.

Is the HCG worth it? DNP is for post PCT cut. I will be running 500 mg test E for 12 weeks, Nol and Clo for PCT. Aromasin in case I get gyno or something gay.

Been lifting for about 3 years, planned on cutting down to 8% before I hop on.
5k calories a day, 21, 6'4 220

Ignore the quantittys, I will correct them all when I decide how much I want to buy

why did pinning my left glute hurt so much more than my right? 2ml tritest 400 in both shots and doing the left was way easier because I was lying down but the pip is far worse

Where do you guys buy syringes from? Are they sold at apothecaries?

HAagqahhaqhyqa Get fucked

Oh no he get to hook up with the hot as fuck anavarqt i secretly always wanted to fuck but never will.
Better make shit up to cockblock.

Dont waste it on a cruse. All or none

Dont cut after a cycle you will lose muscle. Just extend 4weeks on 250mg and cut with dnp then do pct

Yes or amazon

1. you don't need clomid
2. just wait for his domestic store to reopen and get the 100x12.5mg aromasins, it'll be cheaper and you'll get way more. it's UGL but it's legit shit
3. dont buy chinese bacterostatic water ffs, just buy it domestically
4. the fuck are you buying raws for?

Pinning your right is probably just more natural for you. You're probably moving it around too much.

>start sweating
>body starts itching as hell
>continue sweating for a while
>itching disappears
explain this meme

>Also should I bother with a pct for my first cycle?
Yes

This is the worst

The worst is you refusing your autism meds

> dated a Russian bitch for years and learned their ways from my mistakes

> 5 year plan
> become 31 year old hot muscle man with $100+ grand in cash
> order one [or two] Russian/Ukranian mail order bride as I'm a slavophile
> she comes thinking she's going to use some fat beta and gets a surprise
> dominate her and have a dozen children

Is there really anything wrong with that?

It's amazing how steroids affect your mind. You can't help but stare at asses and polygamy suddenly sounds like a good idea. On a few occasions I almost grabbed some random girl's ass just cause it was in front of me.

What about your Argentinian gf? La raza hermano

I don't want Argentinian kids. I don't see it lasting more than a few years as nice as she may be. But like any woman, her personality will end up being the deal breaker which I've warned her about.

If her personality was wonderful it wouldn't matter if she was Argentinian or Aryan. But Argentinian with a shitty personality half the time doesn't cut it.

Have you tried to punch her?

And yes, I'm implying that hot blue-eyed blonde girls get a free pass on personality. It's true whether anyone likes it or not and all women exhume the same bullshit anyway.

No, and it's not like that. She, and her entire family, are irrational and stress about little shit while ignoring the big problems until it's too late.

Her dumbfuck father never changes the oil in any of his cars and I end up paying for it. But he doesn't take anything I say seriously as I'm not a 'lube technician'. Just like I had to repair the bathtub and sprinkler system on my dime as asking him to pay for anything would be a shit storm of stress and bullshit.

She gets stressed out by her family and takes it out on me usually. I tell her to block him, ignore him, tell him to fuck off, etc -- and she keeps taking the bullshit and regurgitating it onto me. So yeah, I don't intend on staying.

But if she finally listens to daddy (me), and tells her father to eat a dick, then I'll consider a future with her. Bitch has my dog too.

Thanks m8, the raws are DNP was going to cap it myself.

I was planning on waiting for his domestic shop to open up, but fuuuuck I hate waiting. Yeah I think im going to toss out the clomid

Thanks for the advice.

>roiding and till looking like an underachieving natty that's been lifting for two years tops

Are you actually retarded? Did they sell you bicarbonate instead of tren?

Caping dnp is the greatest pain in the ass you well ever attempt and halfway through say fuck it and order caps.
Gotta dry it and hope it wont explode
actually have to get the weight right or you accidentaly od yourself
It stains everything yellow EVERYTHING

Unless you have some proper gear and knowledge dont buy dnp raws. Everything else okay but dnp sucks ass

do you live with your gf's parents?

No. She moved 2000 miles away to take care of her sick grandma. I visit and everything is in disarray, so I fix it. I'd hate to see a fucking new car's engine die because nobody bothered to change the oil. Her family is rich too which just makes it worse,

how to get cucked, the post

I'm not getting cucked. Grandma has dementia and the rest of the family abandoned her. We fucked like 3 times a day.

I hope she cheats so I can forget her and find myself a blonde bitch, But she won't, she's even admitted she's afraid of what I'd do if she cheated. Smart girl, if I was ever actually cheated on I'd probably kill someone as irrational as it is. And I'd get away with it.

I have high free testosterone naturally, according to a blood test. Are steroids even worth it for me? I know they depress natural androgen production while you're on them

If it wasn't a problem you wouldn't even ask.

>She, and her entire family, are irrational and stress about little shit while ignoring the big problems until it's too late.

If they're rich as fuck that's normal. Worryinh about the little things you can fix by throwing money at it makes it possible to not think about bigger issues that take effort to solve.

Also, body temp has been low for a very long time. I'm feeling pretty down and bordering on depressed at times. Gotten weaker and softer but haven't lost much weight and I'm tired all the time.

Time to get my thyroid checked? I bought a home gym (DB, BB, bench rack, squat rack, 200kg in weights and a pull-up bar.) to get myself to keep going because i cba to get up to go to the gym anymore.

It's been used 5 times in 7 weeks. I used to go 6x a week 2h at a time less than 2 years ago.

I miss it.

If it's muh thyroid, how long does it take for improvement and what can I expect?

Still have 40ml of 200mg/ml tren-e. 2g of sdrol and 45 amps of test-e 250mg each too. Any good comeback blast? 250/400 test/tren with 20 sdrol?

..... That's definitely not true. Plenty of people lurk fraud get curious and then figure "why not." but they need an okay from others to justify it.

Where is a comprehensive steroid guide that includes choosing the best steroid for individual needs and steps for how to handle a cycle?

>cycle

this meme is still alive?

You just need to read up on test, deca, tren, mast and eq.

Dbol, tbol, oxy, sdrol and epi.

You'll need an AI and SERM and something for prolactin depending on what you're running.

The rest? Think something up, post it here. We'll make fun of it if it's stupid.

I have no idea what these terms mean.

Anyway I want the least MPB-exacerbating combination of substances possible

raw minced beef

No sleep. Feel jittery. Feel sick after food.

How is that bathtub chemicals are A-okay but fucking pharmaceutical prescription meds are terrible?

Well better start figuring shit out then
>muh spoonfeed me

Test Enanthate
500mg per week for 12 weeks
Get Arimidex for AI to prevent side effects like gyno
Get Clomid and nolvadex for your PCT.
Google the terms you don't know

This is purely anecdotal but my free test was literally maxed out as a natural (154, the natty range is like 35-155 kek) and I am about two months into my 500mg Test-E cycle and I can say with absolute sincerity that I do not feel a single fucking difference with regards to libido, confidence, mood, wellbeing, etc...

I am slightly bigger and stronger though. So yes, I suppose if that is what you want then it's worth it

Real crusaders don't need prescription meds.

You fraud.

How about you just don't touch anything then?

Fucks sake. There's plenty that'll keep you from going bald. And if you're THAT worried just run test only and keep some anti dht shit on hand.

They are rich as fuck but I didn't think about it that way. Still, I shouldn't be be paying for the golf cart when they can't even accept I know a shit-ton more about cars than they ever will.

In my experience, the thyroid, particularly the treatments are a load of shit. It's easy to blame the thyroid but it doesn't actually mean anything. I'm sorry to expose you to this but the thyroid is a fixation of idiots that takes years of research to overcome.

Your doctor likely knows better but they've blocked out the reasoning section of their mind as they'd likely kill themselves otherwise, Anyone who knows Medicine loves chinese food and welcomes death.

What sorta results can I expect with the recommended 500mg Test E cycle?

I'm 26, 170lbs, 5'9" and I can bench 230lbs, squat 375lbs and Deadlift 480lbs.

You should get a little stronger and your muscles will be a little bigger

It's how my family works. It's how I deal with stuff.

I find the most ridiculous things to worry about, overthink them find hundreds of solutions and then move on without doing anything.

It's therapeutic.

Thyroid because I've been off for ages. But recently (8 months ago) my depression got worse, I look worse, skin is bad, I'm tired all the time.

But that usually doesn't last more than 3 months. This time I got manageable but noticeable hair loss on top of it and I keep getting worse in all other areas.

It's worth a shot right? If it's not my thyroid I guess I'll just have to fix everything else to feel better.

I'd prefer it'd be my thyroid. Easier to fix/quit the other mediocre habits when you don't feel like death all the time.

>finished DNP hard 3 week low carb cut
>crazy vascularity on arms, thicc core showing with ab veins and thigh veins
>binge ate 4000-5000cals last night and today of mainly carbs and fats

Damn it feels good to eat again. Thinking about upping my cruise dose from 250mg test to 750mg test. How're the gains on test at that level provided I still eat a fuck ton?

>pigeon chest
I don't think so, chestlet

Anyone make their own suspension or solution for orals?
What's everclear taste like? and would cutting with distilled water make any difference to overall taste?

>failed chad
>poor neet 2k in debt
>offered gig for some perverted porn
>basically impregnation fetish
>knock up some 18-22 year old and she gets an abortion after 10 or so weeks
>raised catholic
>generally guilty conscious

Im running 600mg test a week. Am I impotent? is there anything that would make me temporarily impotent?

>you fraud

The thread is...the entire premise...Christ.

That is fucking horrific. Holy shit.

To answer, it's possible you are medically impotent. I think the criteria is maximum 20% of your sperm is active.

>2k in debt

I dump em in alcohol
It tastes like chemical alcohol but you could also try orasweet