Hey guys, I have some theories on aesthetics that have to do with people's chins and their dental development.
Could you please take a photo of your side profile (share it if you'd like, this will help our Veeky Forums study), look at it and answer the following:
1) Are you a chinlet with a downward-growing face? (Yes / No)
2) Do your teeth point directly up and down? (Yes / No)
3) At resting position with your lips closed, do your top and bottom teeth touch (or almost touch) each other? (Yes / No)
I have some theories which I'll reveal in a few posts, but I'd like to get some data from people with both strong and weaker chins.
Oh my God I'm ugly. 1. Idk just be honest with me with a second opinion 2.idk, I had braces to fix an overbite 3. They do not touch
Jack Parker
i'd recommend getting a new more stylish hairstyle and definitely shaving bro
Jonathan Butler
Planning on getting my haircut sometime this week and with that I shave. But I have to choose between either chronic acne or a fucking ugly beard.
Parker Cook
OP here. Thanks for the data point. Here's my honest opinion:
You're not ugly and you're not a chinlet (not a fan of your facial hair though). I'm actually worse off and I get laid very consistently desu haha.
General aesthetics advice that will benefit all Veeky Forumsizens: take the Neck Pill, and start chewing hard gum for multiple hours/day to hypertrophy your masseter muscles (stronger jaw).
Isaac Torres
t-thanks desu, do you have any pictures of yourself before/after transformation?
Benjamin Morales
Still in the process, no pics unfortunately. I've actually improved my front aesthetics significantly over the last 3 months with neck pill + masseter work (gum chewing).
As I said my side profile is quite weak, and from the research I've done (still collecting data), it seems to be a result of improper dental development.
Will reply again in a bit.
Julian Green
What kind/brand of gum do you recommend?
Jacob Bailey
>tfw neck looks like a penis thread gets tons of attention, this thread that can actually help some Veeky Forumsizens gets slight. BRUH
Asher Torres
Have you made chin gains from just chewing hard gum? Or are you on the Mewing stuff too?
I just got some Mastic gum, but have only been chewing about an hour/day.
Aaron Kelly
OP here.
I just ordered Mastic gum, but it's got a long shipping time from Greece. God damn Greeks too busy hiding swimming pools in their backyard from the taxman to actually get proper 21st century exporting logistics.
Yes, more people please post! It doesn't matter if you have a decent or bad chin, all the data is useful. No pics necessary either, you can just give the questions an honest answer.
I think so but it's been very minimal. The jaw has really made great gains in only 2 months though. Mastic's great, I just placed my order. Like any "exercise" I think progressive overload is good - start with what you can do, and add a few mins (and possibly more gum) each day/week.
Joseph Clark
And yes I mew. Whether or not mewing actually works, it's still the right thing to do because your face looks better with the tongue on the roof of your mouth. For me at least, vs. tongue at the bottom, it makes me look like I have significantly less of a double chin just from oral posture alone.
William Flores
Yeah I've been Mewing too, been chewing mastic for about a month or so now. Just wondering if someone had seen chin gains from chewing hard gums WITHOUT mewing, that would be interesting to note. Hopefully this shit helps in the long run.
Angel Powell
Alright guys here's part of my theory. Improper dental development - whether as a child or young adult after all teeth have come in - can change the shape of your face. That seems obvious enough right?
In particular I've been noticing patterns between overbites and bimaxillary protrusion, and how they correlate with weak chins.
If you look up orthodontic before and after pictures, a lot of them seem to have a noticeable affect on the chin when viewing the side profile.
I hope to collect some more anecdotal data here, because enough anecdotal data and you start becoming statistically significant :)
Owen Richardson
what would you rate her looks 1-10 in before/after ?
Jaxson Diaz
Hard to say but that's a massive improvement. From literal mouth-breather tier to having a properly developed face.
Julian Powell
Chin improvement seems correlated with teeth improvements.
Elijah Thompson
>Eat cleaner >Drink homemade kombucha 2 times a day. >Enjoy better skin
Tyler Martin
I literally only drink water. 0 sugary snacks since I eat fruit already. Maybe I should cut back on fast food
Landon Green
try running a trimmer on your face and see how much herpes you get
Connor Miller
Lmao, maybe? You just found your problem, pimple face.
Jaxson Howard
upload a front face picture
Dominic Hughes
>bimaxillary protrusion holy fuck this is me how much does this surgery cost? is it simple shit where they put braces, or do they cut off bone in your face and shit?
Xavier Wright
Post your side profile first >Inb4 you don't
Carson Peterson
That's a fantastic Pepe.
I have a mild case, going in for a consult tomorrow to see my options. Might be able to do it with a form of braces but I'll have to research possible risks (Mike Mew doesn't seem to be a huge fan of braces from what I've read online?).
Could you take the OP survey quickly? A blurred/partial side profile photo would be great as well.
Camden Cruz
diagnose me
Owen Phillips
I actually got a chin implant recently. I dont have any before/after but I can just post general shit you might want to know
>costs around 4.5k in the US >takes about 2 hours >youre asleep during the whole time you wont feel a thing >major swelling for at least a week but could be 2-4 for some people surgeon said this is dependent on age >I have gotten a little more female attention, I would say ive gone up 0.5-1 point but this is a pretty arbitrary thing >part of my face is still numb like 5 weeks later, the nerve on your chin takes several months to heal and will also be a little swollen during that time. Sometimes the nerve never heals and it will be numb forever but it is only a small part so its something you can easily live with
Most important thing though is that if you have gummy smile, even a little bit, you should not get a chin implant until after getting a maxillary impaction. I didnt learn about this until after. I had a little bit of a gummy smile but nothing too bad but since the surgery its gotten way worse. I cant smile now because you only see the top half of my upper teeth and gums. It costs 20k too so Im kinda fucked, still I would rather look nicer when I dont smile so its not a huge deal I will just talk like christian bale until I get the 20k. Pic related is what I am talking about so see an orthodontist before you see a plastic surgeon. The procedure makes your face a little less long and pushes the chin forward in addition to fixing your smile so your facial aesthetics will go up a lot.
Hope this helps good luck with your face gains.
Hudson Reed
are your lips like that in the resting position?if so your teeth must definitely point towards
Eli Sanchez
OP here. Seems similar to me, maybe a tad better, but still somewhat chinlet mode.
Brings up a good point, what are your teeth directions like?
Leo Lopez
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James Parker
I am not going to post a pic, but I have fairly well developed chin with good forward growth.
>1) Are you a chinlet with a downward-growing face? (Yes / No)
No.
>2) Do your teeth point directly up and down? (Yes / No)
I would say so, yes.
3) At resting position with your lips closed, do your top and bottom teeth touch (or almost touch) each other? (Yes / No)
Yes, but my front teeth overlap quite a bit.
Eli Turner
tfw still a lil chubby
1) I don't think so. 2) My top teeth are in front and bottom behind. Never needed braces. Otherwise, they're up+down 3) My bottom teeth touch the tips of my inner top
Oliver Jones
Thanks to the both of you, it really helps hearing from both chinlets and non-chinlets. you don't look chubby at all from the face senpai
Dominic Gomez
Bump for OP. Will post my side profile when I get home.
Gavin Campbell
My face makes me suicidal, and for good reason. The result of 17 years of mouth breathing!
1. Yes 2. Almost? 3. Yes, I had braces when I was young.
I've been mewing for a few months, believe it or not but it's actually a bit better than it was before...
Julian Carter
1) not sure what a downward growing face is 2) I think they do 3) they touch
I have a slight overbite, but not too bad.
Mason Johnson
Can you elaborate on tongue position and the benefits? Is it your entire tongue or just the tip? Do you push or just rest it
Mason Turner
Looks like he just closed his mouth lmao
Leo Garcia
1. I don't know. I hope not?
2. When clenched upper teeth slightly ahead of lower teeth
I should clarify that it’s not really fat burning but muscle toning.
Nathan Rogers
>muscle toning
Jackson Hernandez
it don't matter, I'm a lazy fuck who will never amount to anything, even if I had social skills my face ruins everything
Wait, this isn't r9k
Evan Carter
>toning >implying toning exists
Is this bait or are you just stupid?
Luke Cook
I had this surgery. 9mm overbite due to low jaw not being far enough forward. Moved lower jaw 6 mm after two years of braces. 18mths was getting my teeth perfect, 6 mths letting them set so gums would firm around new tooth positions, then jaw surgery. Two days in hospital, one surgery one recovery, liquid diet for a week, all blended soft food for 6 mths, though I transitioned to soft chewing at 4 mths.
Total face change, strong jaw, perfect teeth, worth every moment of the three year journey
Carter Rodriguez
>tfw I look better after my genioplasty
:)
Ethan Ortiz
Yeah, you totally can’t tone your muscles. Might as well stop doing curls because that doesn’t tone biceps at all. Literal retards. Unless we’re arguing semantics here, in which case you guys are total autists.
Jace Scott
>unless we're arguing semantics here >unless we're arguing what words mean here
Nicholas Turner
Any before/after pics?
Andrew Morales
1. Not sure if I'm a chinlet or fat. 2. Yes 3. Yes
What would you rate me bros? Am I just fat? I'm 5'8 prince of manlets, 175ib. Body fat status = no longer can see ibs >feels batman
Christopher Davis
OP here. Thanks for keeping the thread alive and providing more data guys.
Hmmm, good thing you're young. Mewing will do you good, start chewing a lot too, like tough gums. Asians be having too many soups, noodles, and shit they can slurp without exercising that jaw. Keep researching as well, maybe palate expanders and other stuff John Mew talks about. You're still in a growth phase so there's time.
Thx, not bad.
Thx, also not bad. Try looking up "oral posture" with Mewing, you may find benefit if interested.
Would love to see your pics, sounds like you were dealt a rough hand but played it smart. What a journey, I hope your social development has been decent regardless.
You do. Do you know what your initial orthodontic issues were? Looks like bad overbite and poor lower jaw growth?
Probably a decent chin? Just fat unfortunately. Try intermittent fasting if calorie counting isn't working too well :)
Dylan Hughes
Stick to one fucking thread instead of spreading the discussion around
Grayson Torres
chinlet here
Thanks for the advice, yeah I just grew up on easy to chew shit like rice, soft noodles, soup, dumplings, etc. Also I hated meat as a kid so I never really chewed shit
However, even if my chin gets bigger, I don't think it's gonna fix shit - my mouth protrudes so much
Adrian Howard
Top is after, you can see it trimmed my cheeks, squared up teeth, defined sides of jaw. Removed slight double chin. Your face will change - it WILL look better. These guys know what they are doing.
Samuel Campbell
No u. Clearly enough people are finding this thread useful and interesting in its own right.
Hmmm, as I thought. I tend to think that lips protrude as teeth point outwards - the lips follow the teeth so to speak. Could you post side view of teeth? You may still need tooth aligning work if so. Maybe another round of braces, or other orthodontic work. Obviously I'm not a doctor, just throwing around some ideas here.
Jayden Ortiz
I would also say all this placebo muscle mind stuff is bunk. There is a reason it costs xx thousands. It's like saying a woman can grow her tits with positive thought.... the only thing I didn't do was the cosmetic cadaver bone. In addition to the 6mm lower adjustment the doc said he could insert a few mm of bone into my chin to give me the "Gaston" peak. I declined. But I'm happy enough as is.
Aaron Nelson
Starting point doesn't seem terrible but it's hard to tell without side view for this sort of thing.
Brody Cooper
>gauise! >I have a theory but wait for it it's so groundbreaking And then you spill out shit every retarded turd sandwich knows. Off yourself.
Lincoln Nguyen
Is this really common knowledge?
Then why are there so many chinlets? At least more than there needs to be.
James Lewis
Agree, but I trolled 10 yrs of Facebook and I just don't have profile where I wasn't pushing my lower jaw forward to compensate. I was extremely soft conscious and KNEW my lower jaw "rested" to far back, so after the surgery most people didn't see a change because I had been straining to fake it in every interaction for three decades. (Old fag). The single greatest thing it did for me was the confidence to relax and show a real smile, KNOWING my teeth and Jaw looked amazing.
All I can say it DO IT. Sell your car, don't buy that Xbox, stop smoking weed, whatever you sacrifice for the short term is worth the power of confidence in the long term.
Ryder Powell
Because most teenagers don't give a fuck about it because they can't grasp the damage they do to themselves and parents are too busy not caring about their kids.
Angel Wood
...S-stop with the Truth...
Jaxon Long
Are your before pics in this thread?
Adam Stewart
>tfw had wisdom teeth causing a crossbite in my mouth for three years >my mom never gave a shit and wouldnt get them removed despite warning from my dentist that they will eat into the roots of my other teeth and soon fuse to my jaw
Oliver Richardson
You're not ugly. Once you cut, you'll have a fantastic jaw.
But for fucks sake, trim that nasty facial hair. It looks terrible. Do only 4 mm max. It'll make you look older but still look kept.
Thomas Russell
Post more about your theories op
1) Are you a chinlet with a downward-growing face? > yes
2) Do your teeth point directly up and down? >no
3) At resting position with your lips closed, do your top and bottom teeth touch > if I clench, they don't touch but they are close. If I'm at rest they do touch
Easton Martin
rate my chin
will i ever get gf?
Isaac Young
OP here.
Jesus same here. It's almost like my single mom was too busy worrying about herself or something.
Sure, I've already posted a bit above. Basically I'm seeing a great correlation between improper tooth alignment (either overbites and/or bimaxillary protrusion) and a weak chin. I believe the former(s) may cause the latter, as evidenced by a lot of orthodontic before and after work, even with simple braces.
The teeth shape the face, and there are all sorts of random things in modern (unnatural) development that shape the teeth (for example the Asian kid a few posts up who coincidentally applied relatively little chewing force growing up due to his diet).
Here's a simple example, look at the OP picture with the bimaxillary protrusion. You'll need to google that to see what the teeth look like for this condition. But basically it seems to me that when the teeth point outwards, the lips follow and push out more, as well as the midface in general, giving it a puffier look, de-emphasizing the chin, and probably pushing it down.
Quite attractive despite having weaker chin and protruding lip area (what are your teeth directions like?). This is similar to what I have. Do note though that Afrocentric genes tend to have this feature more commonly than other races, which is unfortunate (I read that this is also related to why they are known for puffier lips). However, there are still plenty of examples of orthodontic work improving this, like the OP picture. Continue to do research, maybe get a consult with an orthodontist.
Jose Hall
Thank you for sharing your story. It sounds like it was quite the journey.. I'd definitely be interested in reading a longer write up, particularly the changes that occurred in your social interactions as your appearance improved.
Bentley Thomas
Mewing has brought my chin forward significantly. It used to be further back than my lips. Mew hard and chew mastic gum, boyos
Jacob Carter
>mewing I've never been a mouth breather. Are you telling me it's not ok to have my tongue relax in my mouth.
Jayden Wright
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Camden Mitchell
How old are you/were you when you started Mewing?
Lincoln Bell
Yes, your tongue should be sucked up to the roof of your mouth, especially the back of it. You can tell if you're doing it right when your neck/jaw skin gets pulled up (not like my picture)
20, almost 21 now. It may very well just be jaw growth, but my jaw hadn't changed much that I could notice until then
Jack Richardson
nigger he just moved his jaw forward, look at his lips, everyone can do this