Redpill me on Simon Bolivar

Redpill me on Simon Bolivar

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he got the eurocucks out of his continent

A traitor that just want independence for getting every colonial profit for himself.

Now you can understand why Latinamerica is shit and divided in castes. Is founded on corruption and power, not on liberty or ethics.

Him parading the around the expensive army caused the breakdown of Gran Colombia

From the ashes we may yet rise

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Honestly a pretty cool guy that had a vision of a united south america to rival any superpower, even though he was basically alone in that dream.

He was an alright general though he wasn't the most capable officer ( that would be Jose Antonio Paez) nor was he the most capable statesman (that'd probably go to Santander) but he was ridiculously charismatic and shockingly enough actually balls deep in enlightenment philosophy.

The man gave everything he had physically, financially, and mentally to realize his dream of an independent, unified Gran Colombia only to have it all fall apart in his lifetime, watching as his adopted son was murdered in the streets, the people he trusted to govern tear apart the nation they built together, and his own reputation dragged through the mud and thrown off a cliff, before dying of tuberculosis shortly before his exile to Europe.

Simon Bolivar is a pretty fucking tragic character in history, and though he certainly had his faults I think his intentions were genuine and he deserved a better end than he got and I honestly can't help but wonder what could've been for South America had they stayed true to his vision and created a unified Latin sphere. (also funny enough despite him wanting Gran Colombia and a unified Latin American superpower from Mexico to Argentina, while in exile in Jamaica he wrote several essays outlining how he believed Spanish America would turnout after his death and it was hilariously accurate)

You will have to wait for Venezuela to literally become ashes first.

>I think his intentions were genuine
I genuinely don't see how can anyone doubt that desu. The task he set before himself didn't seem to benefit himself or even plausible to begin with

"El Libertador" was an idealist who let his dreams of a strong Latin American state revolting to overpower spain on the battlefield get in the way of basically all reason because he failed repeatedly to liberate his native Venezuela while managing to start multiple largely racially based civil wars. New Granada was the first colony he won in and from there he basically just went crazy by wasting resources on his dream and "liberation army" impoverishing and undoubtedly making life for the next few decades in the effected countries worse than it was under Spanish rules. Of course Gran Colombia died with him because it shouldn't have existed in the first place. The spanish colonies didnt have that same strong relations with each other as the USA had under Britain (another fact he delusionally overlooked whilst chasing his fantasy)

One of the last truly Great Men of history. His ambitions mostly failed but no man worked harder or sacrificed more to try and achieve his dreams. He tooth and nail and never gave up, even against overwhelming odds. Usually I don't partake in the West's fetishistic love of rebels (especially colonial rebels) but Bolivar deserves his reputation as a hero of his people. It's a shame that socialists try to "claim" him as their own, when he certainly was not a socialist.

>I genuinely don't see how can anyone doubt that desu.

He literally become himself "Dictator of the Peru".
Also, he was racist.

>t. a fucking retard

Would a unified gran Colombia be a relevant and industrialized power today if it had managed to stay unified? Not the entire Latin American world by jsut the four key area of Colombia, Venezuela, Panama and Ecuador

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That's really impossible to say. The time difference is too great, there are a thousand factors that could go wrong, and we'd have to put aside south American tribalism which is already a ridiculous task.

But its possible given the amount ofblsnd, manpower, natural resources, and positioning that it could've been a modern superpower. It would just have to not be south American to achieve it.

Idealistic moron

>Dictator
Like emergency powers president or actual tyrant? I always felt that he had to rule as the former since South America wasn't ready or even fully understand the republicanism he wants to build

>idealistic youth falls in love with the latest European ideals of equality and try to bring it to his continent filled with inequality
Really makes me think...

People call him an idealist but out of the entire bunch of the S. American founding fathers he was the only one who realized that democratic republics woundn't last in the continent.

I remember reading that there were generals supporting an incan kingdom in peru and bolivia ruled by the descendants of the nobility.

Childhood is idolizing Bolivar
Adulthood is realizing San Martin was the superior South American revolutionary

One became a petty tyrant, the other was a selfless, ascetic general that achieved amazing feats like the Crossing of the Andes, donated his money to build schools, and rejected every offer he had to seize power, even giving up his position as Protector of Peru.

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>It's a shame that socialists try to "claim" him as their own, when he certainly was not a socialist.
To be fair, claiming "the idealized hero of our country would totally agree with my worldview and policies" is nothing new with populist dictators.

Freed Incas from opression. Not "peanut butta an jelly sanwhiches be raycis' an sheeee" opression. Actual forced servitude, slavery and genocide backed by chains and guns.

Besides me being here... wanted a South American union. I hope it happens.

No seriously in what way was Bolivar a petty tyrant? He barely even governed and fancied himself a military commander, not a president.

>Literally named Dictator of Peru
>Expelled his opposition, among them Francisco Xavier de Luna Pizarro and Mariano Necochea
>Jailed Admiral Martín George Guisse, brothers Ignacio and Francisco-Javier Mariátegui, executed Torre Tagle and Juan de Berindoaga. Also suspected of ordering the assasination of Bernardo Monteagudo
>Tried to meddle with the judiciary
>Repression against the population in general
>So hated by the end of his Peruvian rule that he suffered several assasination attempts