If I were to eat pizza, hamburgers, and other foods that were crazy insane amounts of calories...

At most if I were to count while bulking I'd make a rough estimate and just go hard in the gym. I'll eat bowls of cereal, mac & cheese and white bread and pizzas, and just go hard as fuck in the gym. Seriously why do people think you need to count for bulking if you're trying to get big. You will put on fat but that aint the point, the point is you will burn that off later. if you gain 50Ib, and 15 Ib of that is muscle, then its worth it and you just go into a cutting phase later which would be easier with them gains.

Have homos on a Mongolian sewing enthusiast forum tell you.

Calipers are best way to measure bar none if the person is experienced even Dexa isnt as accurate.

The goal of a bulk is to have the minimum excess of calories possible to rebuild muscle not gain gobs of fat. You are still obese for fucks sake

If I were you, I would drop somewhere below 25% BMI and then maintain. Once gains stop, slow bulk and then cut for summer.

There is nothing wrong with a dirty bulk however you need to take couple of things into account.
>You still need to consume your required amount of protein consuming nothing but fats and carbs as you just posted is not ideal
>You will look like shit so you have to be prepared not to give a fuck
>Your cutting period will be longer
>You need to be sure that you have the capability to count macros even when bulking since that means you will be able to count macros when cutting and reduce the likelihood of you shitposting about how being above 150 lbs is the devil sometime in the future.
>The more advanced and stronger you are the less likely for you to put on mass e.g a newbie can put way more muscle than a guy that has been lifting properly for 10 years.

>lost 6 percent bodyfat
>is still obese and wants to bulk
lol good luck idiot

>Yeah you can just easily burn all that fat off.

Have fun with that, guy.

This si so stupid I'm laughing.

Gain 35 pounds of fat for 15 of muscle are you serious? Or are like 15 and just learning about the gym.

You know that after the first year you only gain 10 pounds of muscle a year, right? Even the first year is only 2 pounds of muscle a month. You're acting like you're on steroids. The reality is that eating any more than a 500 surplus is just going to be detrimental to your health, aesthetics, and livelihood. Yeah, we all know you just want to binge and eat all the garbage you want while going to sleep happy at night that you're "building muscle", but it's not based on any science

At the very least beef has protein in it, and you *CAN* cut OR bulk on shitty food, I would just recommend against it.

lol Ameriburger here. I eat probably 3-4 burgers a week because my mom cooks them for my brother and dad during the summer. I also drink heavily 1-2 a week. My stats are 5'9, 190 and 14% bf. You need to learn your body user and see what works for you and your goals

You can dirty bulk but I wouldn't recommend it because it will hurt your discipline in the long run

BOY. I AINT OBEZSE. I AM OVERWEIGHT. IGHT? I'll cut, till i get down to 10%, but then I'm going to eat everything in sight. That includes my pizza, your pizza, and that guys pizza. Then go hard as fuck in the gym. You will still gain muscle either way if you eat like an obese black mother. Focus on the fat/cutting later after you made the gians

my bmi is like literally 25% right now. i dont want to tak ethings slow.

yeah protein is obvious. that should be easy with whey and other protein foods. i will look like shit but thats not the point. ill look better because i will have put on 15Ibs of muscle, and then i will look better than you when i cut afterwards. i know ways to cut fast so it wont be as long. my fitnesspal is easy as fuck to count my macros. im still in a noob phase

lol im not obese. at most i am overweight. you people need to realize that in one year, while your dilly dallying and coutning your calories like sesame street babies, ill cut down to that 10%, eat everything in sight like white bread. flour. pizza. hamburgers. maybe cookies on the burger. cheese. milk. and in one year ill look bigger than you, stronger than you. and tougher than you

Then just do it faggot. If you're dead set on bulking to obesity nothing we say is going to change your mind. The reason most people don't do that is because if you're reasonable, you can gain that 15 lbs of muscle with way less fat in the same time as you would. It would take even longer to cut and you'd look like a fat fuck for a long ass time.

TLDR pathetic troll

>>reddit

Not joking but you are legit born 40-50 years too late this is all the old fashioned strongmen and oly athletes used to do which is why rippletits pushes for it.

Well best of luck m8 why are you posting here when the majority of people weigh less than 200 lbs

>way too serious retards here

thats not bulking to obesity are you retarded. if i cut down to a body fat, then start bulking by eating everything and going hard in the gym, im obviously going to make better gains than you. i wont be stuck cutting for 4 months, 3 months even. it would be easy as fuck to cut that fat down and reveal the gains ive made.

nah at most this is like 2010 advice but it still works

>Easy as fuck to cut the fat down
>Was and still is an obese faggot
0/10

From personal experienec: you will gain a lot of muscle, but even more fat. You will get insane strength gains too

im not obese nigger. i used to be obese but im not anymore.

fucking thank you.

Chad eats an entire pizza, fucks stacey, plays sports, and doesn't even workout.
Yet you can't burn off a few calories at a gym?

so many pussies here on Veeky Forums i cant believe it

Chad fucks women every day and doesn't have to call people pussy over the internet.
Yet you can't burn a few calories at a gym?

pussy

>Mental gymnastics: the post

You're literally Jason Genova

No. Muscle gain does not correlate with calorie intake. dont look for excuses to eat shit and get fat. dont be an idiot user!

shutup faggot

shutup faggot. you dont know shit. you're a pussy

Fat ass

stick

lmao you're still fat as shit dumbass, do what you want - you're gonna look like ass

You must be a "powerlifter" kek

im laughing my ass off too because ive been cutting you dumbass pussy nigger faggot bitch ass. i bet you look like a faggot ass. i used to be like 250Ibs motherfucker. im 180Ib bitch, yeah im still overweight, but i lost it, motherfucker. so guess what, im gonna be cuting, and then ill be making them gains brah. fucking sesame street motherfucker

if i was id still kick your ass mcdonalds bitch. im still gonna cut afterwards

is grade 10 just really hard this year? you know what they say, 2nd time's a charm!

ps. kys fatty

No. You can only build muscle naturally so fast.

>I've been cutting!
>goes from obese to extremely overweight
post body, but remember: You must be 18 to post here. Also, this is a blue board so your mantits may get you banned anyway.

if i was in 5th grade id still whoop your ass. too bad i graduated high school so your ass whoopin just doubled

yeah, and? ill be making the maximum gains in a couple months. then shed off the fat.

im 23 years old faggot.

Are you 5'4?

5'11

post body with timestamp

you should sign up for a gym user. its not too late, or just kys

right here

i am signed up for a gym tf

Here's a better idea

Manage a healthy cut (retaining as much muscle mass as possible) until you're 10% or sub (six pack abs) while working out every day.

If you manage that then i'm sure you can handle going on a dirty bulk and getting rid of the excess fat afterwards.

Right now you're just looking like a delusional fatass that wants an excuse to eat shitty food

Then start going

timestamp you goof

you are right about everything except being a delusional fatass that wants to just eat shitty food. im not gonna eat the pizza for the taste. im gonna eat the pizza for the maximum potential at the gym. thats what pizza is for.

i have been but i havent been going for long i signed up like 2 weeks ago

cant you see my laptop with Veeky Forums on it jesus christ thats me faggot. im not bringing in the mirror again just for you

Calories in calories out doesn't take into account the stress on your heart and other organs from being obese or the effects of sodium on blood pressure.

Just eat mashed turnips, oats, lentils, beans, and a fuck ton of fish like me. Yum!

>would I see more muscle gains?
You will always see muscle gain if you lift up heavy things, even if your diet is absolutely shit, it will just be slower.

But what you're talking about OP is something called a Dirty Bulk.

i wont be able to eat so much of that because of fiber making me feel full and all that shit. i think it would be better to mix and match that with dirty food for a nice bulk

>obese faggot who can't eat lots of reasonable food
or
>obese faggot who doesn't want to eat lots of reasonable food

im not obese tho

congratulations on your first day in the gym, your boyfriend must be very proud but don't overdose on protein mmkay sweetie?

Hi OP,

I just wanted to let you know I hate you and your obnoxious fat ass. I genuinely hope you throw your back out permanently from deadlifting improperly, fuck your knees up squatting or overloading the leg press, or drop the bar on your neck trying to bench dyel weights.

Hope you don't make it.

kek that gut roll in your fupa says otherwise fatty
> have been but i havent been going for long i signed up like 2 weeks ago
lmao ok this is b8 nice one

gay boy alert

guess what gaylord, i perfected the squat already. trainer even said so. he was like, damn.

>im not obese tho

so you are a faggot

im a fupa troopa buta that aint obese lol

This is the dumbest fucking thread.

the enlightened fucktard is here.

>user calls people pussy on Veeky Forums while Chad gets titty shots on snapchat 24/7

You can bulk dirty, but make sure you also have enough protein. The other thing that you forget is while cutting, you'll lose not only fat but muscle as well. The longer the cut, the more muscle is gone too. Especially if your diet is not optimal macro wise. So you don't want to get too fat. Eating waaay above the required amount will not help you gain more muscle, just more fat.
Tldr: don't be impatient, try to eat a lot but as clean as possible

>titty shots of men

sounds good to me. the protein should be easy. and if done right i dont think youll lose that much msucle on a cut

>if you cut you lose muscle
Muscle takes one month of inactivity to lose user

science is hard

Just observing the thread and was expecting a fatass but this is some nice progress:
On the other hand, I'd recommend you don't start eating "everything i sight".
Eat healthy during the day and go for something fat the evening if you crave crap food.

Also do some cardio and you will thank yourself later on, top tier body isn't obtained through only lifting (imo)

>user tries to be funny, but fail sadly while Chad gets titty shots from men and women
>the men are asking chest advice
3/10

i gotta keep cutting and yeah i have been doing a jog. making some quick sprints here and there. thanks bro. gonna try out some beginner calisthenics

>3/10
hey i aint too bad. thanks nigga

Sounds good, keep up the good work

How badly do you want to die before you reach 40?

extremely

>living past your peak
never gonna make it

This is known as a "dirty bulk". It's, well, "funner", I guess. But you will gain a lot of extra fat as well which means you'll have that much more work to do when it's time to cut. The general consensus is that smaller caloric surpluses/deficits are more efficient in the long run.

thanks for the input. i wont eat ice cream

That makes no sense. Accuracy is limited by the measurement method. Pinching some skin is not the most accurate way to measure bodyfat.

>Muscle gain doesn't correlate with calorie intake

This is terrible bait.