>Bronze age swords.
The entire sword is made out of bronze. from hilt to tip.
>Steel swords.
"So we'll just make the blade steel, but the hilt and guard will totally be separate things."
What did blacksmiths mean by this?
Bronze age swords
Adrian Hill
Thomas Barnes
Steel is harder to get than bronze user. It's faster to make a sword out of full bronze/steel than just the blade. But steel took a long to make and when you are mass producing weapons that is important.
Evan Cox
Do you know how most swords are made?
The tang is what extends from the bottom of the cutting surface and connects the blade to the handguard and grip. The grip can be whatever material, and you don't need a steel handguard.
Michael Moore
Steel is harder to come by and harder to work and to sharpen, and once it's damaged you can't repair it easily
A bronze sword can be peened back if nicked or it can be melted down and recast and you get a new sword again with little loss of material. Once a steel sword is damaged it's scrap iron or knife material
Colton Ross
One steel sword could outlast five bronze ones in combat, I want my material where it counts; not thickening the handle where any material could do the same
Gavin Robinson
>hey let's hammer the guard and pommel out of the same piece of steel the blade is made of, that's totally effective and efficient
Xavier Perry
In addition to everything else, steel is denser than bronze and steel hilts are only for ceremonial swords. Armies often trained with lead bars or swords, which made the men so much faster and durable and more conditioned in real combat.
Kayden Watson
>Armies often trained with lead bars or swords
what the fuck, no they didn't
The Romans trained with overweight wooden Gladii, but eventually people noticed that this is not how practice works and stopped doing that because it's stupid, as wielding an overweight trainer will give you bad muscle memory when you go back to the real thing. You can lift shit separately.
You might be thinking of lead-cutting swords, which are basically beefed up cutlasses/hangers designed to cut lead bars as a show of skill/precision.
Jack Ramirez
>steel hilts are only for ceremonial swords
Come again?
Xavier Brooks
By the way, this is a rather typical naval cutlass - everything on it, including the grip, is made of steel. This is because it's easier to deal with rust on a ship than rotting organic components.
Medieval swords are usually made almost entirely out of steel, including the majority of hilt components. The grip is the only part of a medieval sword that is typically not made of metal, and weight isn't the reason why that is so, you could easily make metal grips of acceptable weight.
And steel is not denser than bronze you dolt
Tyler Rodriguez
>he couldn’t afford brass
Wew lad
>bad muscle memory
Then why is weighted training gear used in DBZ
Ryan Clark
bronze age swords are so fucking aesthetic
Sebastian Williams
1. Bronze is crafted by being molten into a liquid and poured into a cast and sanded / grinded down, where as Steel is forged from a piece of iron and hammered. they were able to make the hilt with bronze because of this (also why bronze has historically been used for art and statues and making any object with a lot of contours and shapes) whereas forged steel hasn't.
2. Not all bronze swords were crafted with hilts and guards to their tang. Plenty of cultures just used different material and bolted them on the grip as well.
Samuel Reyes
Bronze Age was objectively better.
Blake Anderson
Man you'd think the obvious utility of a cross-guard would have made it widespread much sooner than it was.
Juan Price
>Steel is harder to get than bronze
Are you completely retarded
Hunter Powell
Bronze is too soft for it to work as a cross guard.
Oliver Campbell
Bronze is cast into shape
Steel is smithed into shape
Aiden Young
Most Chinese bronze swords are recovered without their furniture.
Its possible that they had fittings.
Though an argument against that would be the freak-perfect preservation of the Goujian sword, showing that it didn't.
Nathaniel Lopez
This. Everyone else in this thread is a retard.
Justin Collins
Because with hand-to-hand, overextension is necessary when weighted, and you simply need to control the muscle memory, rather than change it to properly punch when you trained to punch under more intense gravity.
James Rivera
"damascus" steel is shit nowadays, and nobody knows what the wootz process even is.
pattern welding can make a fancy-looking "damascened" blade, but i wouldn't want it in a sword i was planning on hitting anything with
Thomas Roberts
because the force of a strike will end up in the users arm instead of being absorbed like a bronze sword could
Xavier Butler
This
Liam Wilson
this
most British sword's handles were made out of 2 pieces of wood, ivory or bone with a tang down the middle as well as a separate pommel that could of been made out of amber or any of the above materials.
Mason King
Chinese swords are misleading as they're not cast as one piece.The edges are cast as separate pieces of high tin bronze to retain sharpness and the core and handle is made out of softer flexible low tin bronze.All three pieces are then welded together.
Leo Murphy
>what is weight and balance
blacksmiths just upgraded to lvl 2
Dominic Parker
Saves valuable bronze
proper swords have a pommel, it is just not really feasible to make steel swords with integral handles. pommel peened to the tang is just so much easier.
Justin Foster
Why do you even compare bronze and steel swords when there's iron swords in between?
Hudson Richardson
In both senses he's right dumbo.
Colton Smith
Iron is harder to forge, but requires just iron. Bronze requires both tin and copper but can be cast or smithed at a lower temp.
Steel is jumping from the bronze age to the medieval period.