Are we witnessing the beginning of the end for age of liberal democracy?

w8t4u
w8t4u

Are we witnessing the beginning of the end for age of liberal democracy?

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PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Oh, and I am not just talking about China.
It's not only that China proves it is possible to achieve economic prosperity through Capitalism without resorting to liberal democracy as your form of governance, but it also the emergence of a new form of illiberal democracy in places like Poland, Hungary, Russia, Israel, etc.
At the other end of the scale, there is also in the rise of technocratic post-democracies such as the EU, which are unquestionably liberal, and profoundly undemocratic.

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Snarelure
Snarelure

Not anytime soon, no.

He will, at least, attempt to make one reform that is Rule of Law-ish, and that is removing influence of local government on courts of justice.

Maybe Xi will look to the long term and set up a constitution to carry out his general agenda long after he croaks. Despots, specially non-aristocratic ones, tend to have trouble conceiving of a state without them.

Taiwan is the most liberal version of China. Hong Kong and Machau are also liberal-lite, but don't seem to make much of a cultural dent on the PRC.

WebTool
WebTool

Oh, sorry, I thought this was another thread. I was talking about Xi's reforms and China opening up.

Methshot
Methshot

I think this hits it. Liberal democracy be showing its age, but illiberal democracies and liberal post-democracies are here to stay.

SniperGod
SniperGod

The end.

Implying this is nothing but a swing of the pendulum.
Once those conservative/nationalist governments start to fuck up, it's back to liberalism again. Then vice versa.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Whilst I think it will be a test for liberal democracy, I believe China's rise will ultimately strengthen liberal democracy due to China's inevitable collapse.

The Chinese aren't naturally a servile people (an example of the amount of civil wars and overthrows that have occurred throughout China's history- even to this day, 180,000 mass protests and riots occur throughout the country) and an authoritarian government always has to give a good reason as to why it should be in power.

This might be through sheer nationalism or through economic growth, but honestly with the speed and pace China has grown, they have sacrificed a lot of the fundamental infrastructure in their legal and banking sectors that American and Europe have had centuries to do, and this will probably lead to some form of economic crisis.

Each generation of Chinese expects that they will have a better life than their elders and if the government fails to deliver that, then it's more or less likely that the people will see no reason as to why they should keep the CCP in power.

After Tienanmen, however, it's no longer feasible for the CCP to simply just clamp down on any kind of dissent; they know it will only lead to resistance from a large portion of the country who are expecting more and more civil liberties to be afforded to them.

This is the curse of the middle class, especially in the technological age. it's impossible to keep them isolated and to deprive them of liberties that they expect to have once they start amassing capital of their own.

tl;dr Chinese Authoritarianism will collapse and liberal democracy will only get stronger

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Damn. I wonder how the guy who came up with the end of history meme is feeling.

massdebater
massdebater

You are functionally autistic if you think China has a despotic system

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

seriously basing the idea that Liberal Democracy will come to China based on China's civil wars and overthrows.

The Chinese aren't a servile people, sure, but that doesn't mean they dislike the idea of a strong government considering how an orderly strong central government is an almost existential aspect of Chinese political thought

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hairygrape
hairygrape

He already adjusted his predictions and gone full Hegelian.

Methshot
Methshot

I didn't say anything to the contrary. I just said the government has to be a GOOD one and I think the CCP and Xi are on a sinking ship.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

he thinks we're living in the age of conservative/nationalist governments
You're fucking retarded

Flameblow
Flameblow

Each generation of Chinese expects that they will have a better life than their elders and if the government fails to deliver that, then it's more or less likely that the people will see no reason as to why they should keep the CCP in power.
Retard, every country expects that.
If the US/UK government fails to deliver, there will be riots and anarchy in the streets.

After Tiananmen, however, it's no longer feasible for the CCP to simply just clamp down on any kind of dissent
The problem is there was never ever any massacre at Tiananmen, only in Beijing.
Most of the students withdrew. Only CIA shills and their useful idiots stayed.
Hint: Throwing Molotuvs, shooting hunting rifles at armed troops and killing/burning their comrades is the easiest way to get shot

Case-in-point: Singapore

SniperWish
SniperWish

the end of history meme is false meme
explain why the 90's-2010s feels like the same decade then. That's because history ended in the 90's.

And yes liberal democracy is the future a raghead blowing up a building did not change that, in fact it strengthened the end of history.

StonedTime
StonedTime

No it's just beginning. As people become more acclimated to the west and integrate, they lose their authoritarian, regressive ways and embrace individualism and classical liberalism.

Western civilization will ultimately win the battle of ideas.

DeathDog
DeathDog

I guess i can understand people still believing in the end of history even after 9/11 but anyone who still believes in it after the nu-cold war and the syrian civil war is a retard. You are a retard.

eGremlin
eGremlin

Being unnecessarily belligerent and spouting CIA conspiracy bullshit just shows how much of shill you are. How much did they deposit into your bank account for each post?

The expectations by the Chinese middle class are much more tense as their meteoric and breakneck pace in which they have grown is insanely unstable. You also have the added issue of massive demographic imbalance. There are A LOT more men in China then women and a huge horde of angry single men is never a good thing for a government.

You will also have a rise in class warfare due to the Hukou system stigmatizing country folk who are pouring into the cities to find work.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

orderly strong central government is an almost existential aspect of Chinese political thought
It is because of the over 5000 years of continued history meme.
A strong government leads to prosperous country.
Nomocracy leads to a fairer society with less grievances and resentment.
A weak government leads to divison and conflict.

FastChef
FastChef

And you are spewing outdated Nonsense from BBC/CNN.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Yes. Soon, Pu Yi shall rise from the dead, restore the Qing dynasty and slowly reclaim the empire's lost land in Outer Mongolia and Outer Manchuria.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

The expectations by the Chinese middle class are much more tense as their meteoric and breakneck pace in which they have grown is insanely unstable. You also have the added issue of massive demographic imbalance. There are A LOT more men in China then women and a huge horde of angry single men is never a good thing for a government.
Opinion Discarded. You clearly have no clue of what is happening in China.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Literally zero arguments, gents, nor any refutation to what I've said.

Typical bots.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

As people become more acclimated to the west and integrate, they lose their authoritarian, regressive ways and embrace individualism and classical liberalism.
The Chinese are a very practical people.
When you don't even treat us as equals, why should we listen to you?
When your house is on fire, why should we enter it?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Typical Pseudo Intellectual

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Dat Libtard cope

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Liberal democracy? Yes

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Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Xi is as aristocratic as Chinese leaders come. He’s literally the son of a high level CCP leader.

MPmaster
MPmaster

Proving my point even further

Go back to Facebook.

farquit
farquit

Modern China != Imperial China

Can we please stop acting like Chinese will just overthrow the government if shit goes wrong? The government is far more powerful today than ever before.

cum2soon
cum2soon

Not an argument, you limp-waisted liberal scum

Bidwell
Bidwell

amp.businessinsider.com/trust-barometer-finds-37-point-implosion-in-us-publics-trust-china-rising-2018-1

Well what does that make the USA? On the brink of civil war and anarchy?

TreeEater
TreeEater

news.ku.edu/2016/11/22/study-finds-chinas-missing-girls-theory-likely-far-overblown

Ahhh yes this meme

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

muh libtard democracy
china's leader just became president for life and nobody cared. libtard democracy is a meme.

people don't give a shit if an authoritarian is ruling over them, just as long as they have food on the table.

StonedTime
StonedTime

Xi just stated that he’d only stay on as long as he is doing well.

I don’t see why that’s a problem. Lee Kuan Yew ruled for 30+ years. Park Chung Hee for 20 years. Meiji for 45 years. Chiang for 58 years.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Chinese “civilization” is antithetical to being a decent human being. No Indo-Aryan race would ever seek to emulate China en mass no matter how prosperous they are by comparison, which puts the outer limits of Chinese exapansion on the Korean Peninsula and Indian border.

America is kidding itself when it says it’s a liberal democracy. On one side, the republicans are bootlicking capitalist shills who ape conservatism while Trump has proved that this party doesn’t give a fuck about transcendent ethical principles or culture. On the other, the Democrats are smug cryptonazis who act as though their oppressive and authoritarian moral Puritanism is somehow justified so long as they take the occasional photo shoot with whatever miserable and mentally ill minority group happens to be the mode du jour.

Europe and Canada are absolutely justified with their undemocratic liberalism, which is the only decent hope for the future.

Western Civilization remains strong throughout South America.

Islam continues to be a potent political force, although not in the way you’d expect. I truly wish Iran the best of luck with their Theocratic Republicanism.

India is probably the most potent country for some kind of world-spirit shifting political movement.

TreeEater
TreeEater

India is honestly the third wheel.

If they continue down the path of Liberal Democracy, then its future is guaranteed as the dominant political force. And vice versa.

Inmate
Inmate

Yes fuck yeah its ending. I can't wait until order and security and national pride is restored throughout the world! I'm mad as fuck at this degeneracy that democracy brought us! Fuck liberalism! And fuck your rights! That goes to lolbertarians too.
dude weed lmao
No, fuck that. We need a Duterte, we need a Mussolini, we need a strong leader who won't take shit from fake news, fake politicians or weirdo intellectuals. We need order and security and a return of human nature. Authoritarianism is not bad. Totalitarianism is not bad. It's actually better than we what we have right now.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Totalitarianism is not bad. It's actually better than what we have right now.

Go outside

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

totalitarianism is good

Wait until some crazy shitheads like Mao or Pol Pot in charge of power and you can't remove him.

Firespawn
Firespawn

Go outside
No fuck you, civilization is under attack. We need to stop this hippy-dippy "oh just let them do whatever they want" I hate that shit. Fuck your rights, fuck your right to be a degenerate, I want order and the good ole days back now!
Mao and Pol Pot at least kept the streets safe and made crime a capital offense and they executed drug dealers and traitors.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

I want order and the good ole days back now!

You've overplayed your hand. Had me going for a second but you might as well have put a ree at the end.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

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SniperGod
SniperGod

India
Liberal democracy
Pajeet here. Lmao. The union has been on the verge of collapse for about 40 years. Politicians don't know what the fuck to do in place of development so one party panders to ethno-nationalism and other just gives subsidies to peasants and affirmative action to lower castes. All it's going to take is one simple misstep from right or left and all the dominos will start collapsing and the western style liberalism and secularism that has been pushed down the throats of populace will come out with the vengeance. And then the country will be ripe for China like dictatorship with state capitalism. And the peasants will not care as long as they have food on the table, and the middle class will not care as long as their children can be wage slaves for reasonable rates, and the elites will not care as they'll probably be running down the liberalism and secularism down the ground.
The situation is so fucking pathetic here and whatever propaganda is shown about India being the biggest democracy in the world in West, it's a lie.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

so one party panders to ethno-nationalism and other just gives subsidies to peasants and affirmative action to lower castes
Whoa it's almost like every liberal democracy in the west.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

I concur with my fellow Pajeet on this

Soft_member
Soft_member

You people in the west haven't actually experienced the real ethno-nationalism for a long time though. It's all just talk there and it feels like a joke. Here in this country we experience state sponsored genocides in the name of nationalism and religious identity. Talk about our liberal democracies being similar when you actually experience the truest of threats to liberal democracy.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

This is what "liberal democracy" brought in western society nowadays, your countries truly are great role models.

Also there is a far closer counter part or "negative example" in Taiwan for mainland China to evaluate, and I can guarantee most mainland Chinese and CPP will NEVER fully adopt Western style or American style libercuck democracy, ever!

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Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Besides, I can also witness how disgusting, twisted, degenerated, decadent and perverted western libercucks are on this very weebsite, really no better than honkies supremacists or Nu Nazi. And I believe many of them are speaking their minds due to the anonymity of this cancerous imageboard. So never will mainland China fully adopt libercuck democracy, ever! Sorry to break your fluid bubble.

Lunatick
Lunatick

leader literally paved the way to declared himself ruler for life
denying that despotism is not on the cards.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

The Chinese aren't naturally a servile people
holy shit /po/ amerimutts and boomers need to leave Veeky Forums. this instant appeal to fixed national or racial characteristics always marks oneself out as brainlet tier.

likme
likme

on the contrary, you're spewing lines of argument that have been repeated ad nauseam since the 1990s.
hurr durr gender imbalance and rising material expectations are the secret key to understanding all china's problems!
your tone is so condescending and that of a complacent know it all it's no wonder people are mocking you or saying your speaking bullshit

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

on the verge of collapse for about 40 years.
collapse is a sudden event things can't be collapsing for 40 years.

girlDog
girlDog

All non liberal democracies are utter shitholes.
Even singapore, korea, japan are utter garbage. The standard of living cannot compare to liberal, western, democracy.

Playboyize
Playboyize

t.someone whose never gone out of their hicksville trailer park

Emberfire
Emberfire

The 1984 like surveillance policies that China is currently implementing is frankly alarming. A Chinese authoritarian led world is a scary prospect.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Chinese diaspora are the fucking worst. Literal insects that have no individuality

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Man doesn't get killed by a mob, for eating cow meat(or any other thing) in the West though

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Nigga live in London/New York for a month and then live in any major Japanese city. You'll be very surprised

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

keked at this delusional post

/po/
you mean /pol/

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

I want 50 cent chink army fuck off

RavySnake
RavySnake

The Chinese aren't naturally a servile people
I'm not sure if you're a /pol/ack or just a Asian (diaspora) blowing your own trumpet. Nobody is genetically pre-disposed towards anything.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

That statement never implied a genetic angle though.

DeathDog
DeathDog

new form of illiberal democracy in places like Poland, Hungary

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AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Stop talking about current events on a history board holy fuck

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Friendly reminder this is how we treat uppity (Indo)-Europeans and their ilk in this country:
youtube.com/watch?v=78Gp4R_u30Q