Who was in the wrong here?

Who was in the wrong here?

Attached: Kent_State_Shooting.jpg (920x618, 128K)

the girl for having a pole sticking out of her head

Both sides; you shouldn't shoot kids, but a good way to get shot is to throw rocks and shit at armed guards. Same thing happened at the Boston "Massacre"

The National Guard.
No, you shouldn't. But getting a rock thrown at you does not justify shooting retreating, unarmed students. Remember, not guardsmen were injured and many of the wounded students and one of the dead had nothing to do with the protest.

Were there radical, dangerous yahoos in the anti-war movement? Absolutely. Was the Vietnam War and the bombing of Cambodia a cause worthy of protest and resistance? Of course.

Hate hippies all you want, but if you side with the Guard you're just a goddamn bootlicker.

The national guard obviously bares 90% of the blame, like I said you shouldn't shoot students. I'm just saying that they didn't randomly start shooting kids, there was an escalation of violence for a reason.

>Hate hippies all you want, but if you side with the Guard you're just a goddamn bootlicker.
>you're just a goddamn bootlicker.
>that's a bad thing
>unreasonable opposition to the policies of the ever-reasonable sovereign shouldn't be crushed with firm, manly vigor.
mfw
>Same thing happened at the Boston "Massacre"
They had it coming.

Attached: Peter Oliver.jpg (724x864, 58K)

1. the National Guard is not the riot police
2. the guardsmen deployed were greens, literally off-the-bus military
This is not meant as an excuse but it sure as fuck explains their behaviour

Fair enough.
Anyone who thinks the Vietnam War was in any way justifiable is a delusional ideologue or a blind American sheep who believes his country can literally do no wrong. There is now so much evidence that even the people running it (the generals, the government agencies, the presidents) viewed it as a mistake, an unwinnable disaster which they continued only out of a desire not to be seen as weak or inconsistent.

>Anyone who thinks the Vietnam War was in any way justifiable is a delusional ideologue or a blind American sheep who believes his country can literally do no wrong.
Oh, well I believe the US can do wrong.
In fact, everything they do is wrong. It has been since day one.
The revolution was an error. Samuel Adams is the devil incarnate (and the devil makes shitty beer). And Hancock was a poor fool led astray. The tragic but just consequences of enabling the howling irrational rule of the uneducated, unworthy mob.
All the attendants of that "demonstration" ought to have been suspended (hanged). Because while the US government is shit, the forces that created it - spontaneous, thoroughly unreasonable and violent mob demonstrations - are shittier.

Attached: Peter Oliver.jpg (257x283, 23K)

@4308104
you're going to have to try harder than that

The students

students, but unironically

>>@4308104
Kill yourself immediately.

>bootlicker
Confirmed manchild
Also the post you were replying to was already right

Use whatever term you want, but you are whipped if you think protesting war without congressional approval warrants getting shot. I bet you let women peg you too.

the students deserved it deal with it

fuck peace

Don't attack men with guns if you don't want to get shot.

>students who allowed themselves to become puppets of marxist
>National Guard troops just doing their job

Also, the students were objectively right in protesting and the National Guard were objectively wrong in shooting them

The students were culteral marxists. just saying.

The soldiers who fired into a crowd of unarmed civilians. This is why modern police forces use rubber bullets and tear gas to deal with rioters.

They provocked the guards and threw rocks? You think they should just get off scott free lmao?

In our society every man knows they are bigger and stronger than women. When women hits them, men know they can't respond with full force and usually won't. You don't do the same to children either. Everyone knows this. Why this doesn't extend to men with guns vs students I don't know. The guardsmen literally had no reason to fire whatsoever.

Everyone protesting should have been shot for sedition anyway

>provoked the guards
most of the vicitms did no such thing and many were minding they're own business
>tear gas
>rubber bullets
>scott free

all the ad hominem only cements your manchildness
its not a matter of congressional approval, its common sense
don't attack someone with a gun when you don't have one
arm yourself, do whatever, but picking on someone with a gun means shows you have no perception of the realities of the situation
deserving to be shot has nothing to do with it, it's just stupidity on both parts, as most reasonable adults understand

>When women hits them, men know they can't respond with full force and usually won't. You don't do the same to children either.
Damn, you sound whipped.

Attached: 1504869017833.png (644x800, 15K)

>wasting bullets that could be used on vietnam fucking shits on hippie faggots who'll die from AIDs eventually anyway
honestly just not cost effective

They were just doing their job

I am the boot and you can eat shit

Much lower chance of killing you than regular bullets

Nah man. It’s one thing if a woman slaps or pushes you, but if she’s throwing punches and is clearly intent on a fight then you treat her like you’d treat anyone else. Put that bitch in the hospital.

Throwing in token partial criticism for one side while mercilessly defecating on the other beyond all reason does not make you look impartial and evenhanded.

Nah, that is what you fags are for.

The 'rocks' were pebbles and gravel. No Guardsmen were treated for ant injuries involving 'rocks'. Part of a medic company was present and they recorded no treatments. Afterwards all the local hospitals and doctors offices were surveyed to see if they had treated them and the answer was no.

[citations needed]

Sworn testimony from Guard officers in Congressional hearing.

the boot always wins, peasant

t. Oliver Smith Tibblywiggle Pettyfeather III, Earl of Hartford-upon-Tynesdale

Attached: 25e.jpg (640x640, 37K)

FBI COINTELPRO shot the first bullet at Kent State

The Constitution approves PEACEFUL gatherings and protests. That means you do not provide provocation for a response, which police are meant to be trained in doing. The National Guard aren't. They're soldiers, trained as soldiers and meant to provide military, disaster, and recovery support where needed. You attempt to provoke a response, you'll probably not get a friendly one. It doesn't justify the fact they shot at the students, they should have attempted to lock the situation down without live ammo, but it's to explain the actions on why they took it. It's not being a bootlicker, it's about having common sense. The government, regardless of your political orientation, should not be in charge of a person exercising common sense. You should know not to fuck with a trained soldier, just as the soldier should know he should just hit you with his rifle butt instead of shooting. Neither side obviously showed much common sense, but one proverbially usually has to throw the first stone for a second wrong to be committed.

Plenty of examples of men not following restraint. You should expect to be hit if you hit first or be prepared to take the appropriate legal response. It's common sense that there should be consequences to every action you take.

>tfw in the past the Government perform the shootouts in the schools, and not the students.

>no other major Asian nations fall to Communism

Mission literally accomplished.

Containment doctrine reaffirmed.

Attached: some_retard_russian_cosplayer_out_of_cosplay_licking_monster_drink.jpg (960x1280, 552K)

Whoever decided to send in antsy national guard soldiers who were mentally prepping themselves for the hell that was vietnam.

I was going to bring up the khmer rouge but then I remembered that the US supported them so i guess technically it doesn't count

>hippies bomb an rotc building
>next day they throw rocks and bottles at national guard
>federal guard shoots them
>"muh facism reeeeeee"