Could the spanish have conquered Mesoamerica without native help?

Honestly cringed

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Fort_Zeelandia

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Anglo-Maratha_War

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Bharatpur_(1805)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman–Venetian_War_(1714–1718)

>t-they just didn't want to

This is what white supremacists actually believe*

After the Spanish conquest of central Mexico, expeditions were sent further northward in Mesoamerica, to the region known as La Gran Chichimeca. The expeditions under Nuño Beltrán de Guzmán were particularly harsh on the Chichimeca population, causing them to rebel under the leadership of Tenamaxtli and thus launch the Mixton War.

In 1540, the Chichimecas fortified Mixtón, Nochistlán, and other mountain towns then besieged the Spanish settlement in Guadalajara. The famous conquistador Pedro de Alvarado, coming to the aid of acting governor Cristóbal de Oñate, led an attack on Nochistlán. However, the Chichimecas counter-attacked and Alvarado's forces were routed.

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>D "The Spanish conquest of Yucatán took almost 170 years. The whole process could have taken longer were it not for three separate epidemics that took a heavy toll on the Native Americans, causing the population to fall in half and weakening the traditional social structure."

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Didn't he die also by a horse falling on him?

>let alone the Mesoamericans.

aztecs with no steel, horses and gunpowder>all nations with those advantages, except, perhaps, portugal and spain

>Sandoval was appointed to the command of the third division, consisting of twenty-four horses, fourteen crossbow-men and musketeers, and one hundred and fifty foot armed with shields and swords. To this division were added 8000 Indians from the townships of Chalco, Huexotzinco, and other places in alliance with us.
(...)
>They had driven one of our brigantines between the stakes, killed two of the men, and wounded all the rest. (...) the Mexicans had already fastened many ropes to her, and were trying to tow her off into the town behind their canoes. Sandoval's encouraging words were not lost upon us, and we fought with such determination that at length we rescued the vessel. (...) when all in a moment the large drum of Huitzilopochtli again resounded from the summit of the temple, accompanied by all the hellish music of shell trumpets, horns, and other instruments. The sound was truly dismal and terrifying, but still more agonizing was all this to us when we looked up and beheld how the Mexicans were mercilessly sacrificing to their idols our unfortunate companions (...) On that terrible day the loss of the three divisions amounted to sixty men and seven horses.

Bernal Díaz del Castillo. True history of the Conquest of New Spain, Chapters CL, CLII

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>Flower wars differed from typical wars in a number of important aspects. While engaging in a flower war, competing armies would meet on a "preset date at a preselected place.”[5] These places became sacred sites and were called cuauhtlalli or yaotlalli.[2] Combatants signaled the start of war by burning a large "pyre of paper and incense" between the armies.[2] Actual battle tactics also differed from typical warfare.[6] In typical warfare, the Aztecs used atlatl darts, stones, and other ranged weapons to weaken enemy forces from afar.[6] However, in flower wars, the Aztecs neglected to use ranged weapons and instead used weapons such as the macuahuitl[7] that required skill and close proximity to the enemy.[6] The use of these kinds of weapons allowed the Aztecs to display their individual combat ability, which was an important part of the flower war.[6]

>Flower wars involved fewer soldiers than typical Aztec wars did.[2] A larger proportion of the soldiers would be drawn from nobility than during a typical war.[8] These characteristics allowed the Aztecs to engage in flower wars during any time of the year.[8] In contrast, the Aztecs could fight larger wars of conquest only from late autumn to early spring, because Aztec citizens were needed for farming purposes during the rest of the year.[8] Additionally, flower wars differed from typical wars in that there were equal numbers of soldiers on each side of the battle; this was also related to the Aztecs wanting to show off their military prowess.[9]

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>Reproduction and population growth declined since people of child bearing age either had to fight off the Spanish invasion or died due to famine, malnutrition or other diseases.[23] Diseases like smallpox could travel great distances and spread throughout large populations, which was the case with the Aztecs having lost approximately 50% of its population from smallpox and other diseases.[24] The disease killed an estimated forty percent of the native population in the area within a year. The Aztecs codices give ample depictions of the disease's progression. It was known to them as the huey ahuizotl (great rash).

>Cuitlahuac contracted the disease and died after ruling for eighty days. Though the disease drastically decreased the numbers of warriors on both sides, it had more dire consequences for the leadership on the side of the Aztecs, as they were much harder hit by the smallpox than the Spanish leaders, who were largely resistant to the disease.

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t. Juan
OTUMBA
The Spaniards would have whipped the natives with their superior technology.
Imagine 10,000 Spaniards against 200,000 Natives, that's just a slaughter.
>there was not 10k spaniards
Yes there were, they just weren't in the Americas yet.

diseases from the new world introduced to the old world:
- a bed bug infection
- syphilis (disputed)

diseases from the old world introduced to the new world:
- bubonic plague
- chicken pox
- cholera
- diphtheria
- influenza
- leprosy
- malaria
- measles
- scarlet fever
- smallpox
- typhoid
- typhus
- whooping cough
- yaws
- yellow fever

The Bubonic Plague alone killed 25% to 60% of the European population during the 14th century, Natives survived the introduction of all the diseases above within a century.

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>Could the spanish have done it with no native help?
Only if they waited a decade for disease to take its toll.

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t. Jose

spics wouldn't have won a single battle had the aztecs not tried to capture them alive to sacrifice them

>Every spring the Aztecs used to organize "gladiatorial" combats between their highest military ranks and the enemy elite warriors and commanders who were captured in battle. As part of the festival, nobles from all Mesoamerica were invited to witness these combats.
>Nevertheless, only the Aztec warrior fought with an edged weapon and his movement wasn't limited by being attached to the sacrificial stone. The combat was over when the Aztec warrior was unconcious or when he managed to make his foe bleed enough to keep him from moving. Usually the first combatant for the captured warrior would be his captor and if the captured warrior was victorious he would face several other contenders. According to Bernardino de Sahagún, the number of Aztec warriors increased with each victory and there was up to four at the same time.
>A famous Tlaxcaltec warrior, Tlahuicole, prefered to die in gladiatorial combat than return to his country as a spared man. He finally met his end at the sacrificial stone after killing 8 warriors and defeating 20 more.

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>Could the spanish have conquered Mesoamerica without 99% of their military force?

No

At least not Cortes.

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>Yes there were, they just weren't in the Americas yet.
That's the whole point, idiot, OP was wondering if a meager force like Cortes's could've pulled it off without native help.
The answer is no.
If you're going to start talking about hypothetical spaniards, why stop at 10 000? Why not imagine there's 200 000 of them? I bet the conquest is much easier now!

Hell no

The Spanish were very good to them. They allowed the Tlaxcalans to keep their weapons, be citizens, and then used them to try and set up farming settlements in the more arid regions of Mexico. Interesting how it worked out for em

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From my recollection of grade school education, they do mention that the Spanish are aided by the natives during their conquest. It's highly doubtful the Spanish in their current strength (Meant more as an expedition than an invasion) would be able to overthrow an entire empire. At best it would be similar to a Jamestown settlement situation (The fact the natives were actively hostile, not settling in a fucking swamp like idiots), where they establish an outpost and hold out for additional settlers/soldiers to be shipped across the ocean to aid. Horses and cannons probably would help break Mesoamerican moral.

At this point in world history, the logistics and manpower required to conduct a trans-Atlantic campaign of conquest would most likely overwhelm the Spanish if not for the various diseases that knocked the Americans' population down to levels more manageable. North America was recovering steadily from the Mississippian civilization collapse, the Incans had recovered and basically were a Peruvian Rome, the Aztecs at the Spanish arrival were at the height of a Mesoamerican empire, and there were various other groups of people in what was slowly turning to nation-states. The Americans suffered from the fact they couldn't take part in the technological and ideological transfer through trade with the rest of the world as Europe benefited from, which is what was the European strength - The osmosis of ideas from other cultures and turning it into their own strengths and the desire to out-jew the Turks so they could season their food at reasonable prices. European dominance didn't come from any sort of technological advantage, otherwise we'd all be speaking Turkish and paying extra taxes for not being muslim.

Of course. People forget diseases took down the America's not the Spaniards.

>OTUMBA
it was the first time the aztecs faced cavalry ever
the spanish couldn't pull off a victory like that against them again even if back in the old world they managed one like gembloux against people with steel arms, who were also used to cavalry warfare for thousands of years

>"If our cavalry attempted to pursue the enemy into the water, the latter had provided against this by palisades, behind which they retired, and stretched out against them their long lances, to which they had fastened the swords we unfortunately lost on our retreat from Mexico."
(...)
>"We noted their tenacity in fighting, but I declare that I do not know how to describe it, for neither cannon nor muskets nor crossbows availed, nor hand-to-hand fighting, nor killing thirty or forty of them every time we charged, for they still fought on in as close ranks and with more energy than in the beginning."
(...)
>"In the midst of this second conflict, Alvarado Tapia and Oli, with the main body of the cavalry, made their appearance, who had been attacking the enemy at other points. The blood was trickling down Oli's face, nor had any one of them escaped without a wound. They said they had been attacked by terrific bodies of the enemy, in the open fields, and had not been able to drive them back."
- True History of the Conquest of New Spain by Bernal Díaz del Castillo, Chapters CL, CXXVI, CXLV

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No, but who convinced the different native cities to ally agaisnt the aztecs?

>the different native cities
>the
it was mostly the Tlaxcaltec republic and Huexotzinco
both were still independent and fighting for the last 50 years in flower wars against the aztecs
the rest of the empire was too hesitant to support a side

certainly everyone hated the aztecs, but the spanish didn't start a unified revolt of all the empire against their evil sacrificers
everyone in mesoamerica practiced sacrifice
back in the old world the italian city states, the holy roman empire, france, england, portugal, sweden, the ottoman empire and the berbers were all at war with the spanish, simply because they were an warmongering empire

No. While it is true "muh diseases" is overrated, the Spanish would have never been able to move forward without the help with so many other natives signing up to to help. This was a huge empire. And the Spaniards were barbaric, but...the Aztecs were just as bad or worse to their neighbors. Just think if you were a smaller tribe and routinely had to give tribute to the Aztecs. And having random raids into your village to take your family for slaughter to pull their heart out in a stupid fucking ritual.

And then some dudes show up on a boat from the west and are promising to help you. You would be very tempted to join with them. Especially if you knew other tribes were joining as well. There was no way the Spanish would have ever defeated them without the help.

And a problem on the Aztec side was the indecisiveness of Moctezuma II. All of his advisors plead to go down to where the Spanish had landed and kill them then. They knew well in advance they were there and could have destroyed them. But Moctezuma failed to make a decision and it cost him dearly.

I know this is a troll post but look at the Narváez expedition. Although they did crash land and lose a few supplies, they were still in good shape upon landing at Flroida with 300 men. In the United States, Indians hadnt contract the diseases that would destroy them later. They were very strong and healthy. 4 Spaniards survived the expedition and it's only because the Indians pitied them.

We have this thread EVERY day comrade.

>Just think if you were a smaller tribe and routinely had to give tribute to the Aztecs. And having random raids into your village to take your family for slaughter to pull their heart out in a stupid fucking ritual
>And then some dudes show up on a boat from the west and are promising to help you.
some dudes with steel arms, horses and cannons show up and force you to either join them or get declared an enemy
the spanish and the tlaxcaltecs fought for about 20 days until the latter decided it was better to join them

and everyone practiced those stupid fucking rituals and it wasn't random nor aimed against civilians

>Our route now lay across the territory of the township Xocotlan. We sent before us two Indians of Sempoalla to the cazique, to acquaint him of our approach, and beg of him to give us an hospitable reception. As the inhabitants of this district were subject to Motecusuma, everything wore a different aspect, and we marched forward with the utmost precaution and in close array. For the rest, we were as much pleased with this spot as with many a Spanish town, on account of the numerous and beautifully whitewashed balconies, the dwellings of the caziques, and the elevated temples wholly built of stone and lime. We, therefore, called it Castilblanco, which name it still retains; for a Portuguese soldier, who was among our troops, assured us, the place was very like the town of Casteloblanco in Portugal.
>One certain spot in this township I never shall forget, situated near the temple. Here a vast number of human skulls were piled up in the best order imaginable,—there must have been more than 100,000; I repeat, more than 100,000. (...) Similar horrible sights we saw towards the interior of the country in every township, and even in Tlascalla.
- True History of the Conquest of New Spain by Bernal Diaz del Castillo, Chapter LXI

italian city states never are referred as tribes and yet everything outside of tenochtitlan was somehow just ooga boogas

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last thread was a month ago

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this is very interesting user never sene it like that, they got hit by all at once thats why the population collapsed

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"The Americans suffered from the fact they couldn't take part in the technological and ideological transfer through trade with the rest of the world as Europe benefited from, which is what was the European strength - The osmosis of ideas from other cultures"

Good point, lets be honest, gunpowder, Ironsmithing heck even the horse domestication were not european inventions but learned from other people, the americas were isolated from this.

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>Could the spanish have conquered Mesoamerica without native help?

Reconquista Spain? Definitely, but not as easy as it was, the kill ratio was insane.

>>Natives survived the introduction of all the diseases above within a century.
Of course they did. Any given population subjected to the same would have also survived, simply because there is always a percentage of the population that rarely if ever gets sick or suffers from cancer or other genetic defects. These are the people who lived to around 80 or so a few hundred years ago and they're the people who live to be 100 to 120 now.

Indo-Europeans were the first horse riders.

>However, evidence reported in 2009 for pottery containing mare's milk and of horse bones with telltale signs of being bred after domestication have demonstrated a much stronger case for the Botai culture as a major user of domestic horses by about 3,500 BC, close to 1,000 years earlier than the previous scientific consensus. This does not necessarily mean they were the first to domesticate horses, but makes them the earliest known candidate.

>Asko Parpola believes that the language of the Botai culture cannot be conclusively identified with any known language or language family. He speculatively suggests that the Proto-Ugric word *lox for "horse",[5] (reconstructed on the basis of Hungarian ló, Mansi lū and Khanty law, all meaning "horse"), whose origin is unclear and which does not closely resemble any of the words for "horse" from known Eurasian language families, is a borrowing from the language of the Botai culture, a word which is neither of Uralic nor Indo-European origin.[6]

debatable, wild horses may have been ridden around the same area for some time before they coalesced
PIE almost certainly domesticated the horse though

>Anthony connects the Botai culture to the eastward migration of peoples from the Volga-Ural steppe in the mid-4th millennium BC, which would lead to the establishment of the Afanasevo culture in South Siberia.[2]

m8...

No one actually knows who first domesticated horses. Even the wheeel is disputed since these innovations were rapidly adapted by everyone quickly.

*adopted

>Asko Parpola believes that the language of the Botai culture cannot be conclusively identified with any known language or language family.
m9

>damage control ITT

>these innovations were rapidly adapted by everyone quickly
???

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great argument

Something about the pic feels inaccurate.

not an argument

I only said wheel and horse never mentioned metallurgy.

>damage control

these innovations weren't rapidly adapted by everyone quickly

He is wrong. But they got most of those diseases as the contact with the old world increased. They had a high mortality rate until recently. Even the introduction of vaccines and modern medicine, most native places lacked state relevance so they still suffered until decades ago.

>brainlet talking out of his ass
Daily reminder that Amerindians had a higher development rate than europeans.
Therefore Amerindians have more civilization potential than europeans.

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Amerindians arrived in America at the same tech level as Europeans yet Europe had agriculture in 7000 BC while Amerindians had agriculture in 5000 BC so going by this their development rate was slower.

Of course agriculture is more difficult in other environments so this doesn't say anything about development rates. Only a complete idiot would not acknowledge this.

The archaic Amerindians in Florida who practiced underwater burials had advanced woven textiles around 7000 BC.

This painting would've been beautiful if it wasn't for the inaccurate weaponry

>why is this being teached in schools? Could the spanish have done it with no native help?
As a spaniard that has finished obligatory studies not many years ago, I can say that we dont really get taught anything spanish before 1812
many of us are pretty pissed out by that, but what can you do when the left is in charge of education books

Source for this

Yet they never made to the iron age huh

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windover_Archeological_Site

smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/7000-year-old-native-american-bog-burial-found-coast-florida-180968345/

youtube.com/watch?v=1-RYNKebHWI

Incatard get out

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technically they never made it out of the chalcolithic.

Incas did have military tech on par with the people who fought at Tollense in that there was a kind of mix of metal (copper mostly, with some bronze weapons and metal armor mostly reserved for elites), bone, stone and wood, even if they used a lot more copper comparatively for things like their famous maces and axes.
That and slingers.

could mexico's awful capitalist government maintain control over mexico without the consent of local people?

the answer is yes because mexico's government got cheap guns and free gas shells from their friends in America, and they simply slaughtered anyone who opposed them creating the modern Mexican state

That's wrong. Maybe tomorrow I'll translate the text I made compiling Amerindian Ancestor Lineage divergence from CF haplogroup to cromagnons who occupied europe. And how the ancestors of Amerindians still had a higher development rate than the ancestors of europeans.

The unique factor delaying Amerindian development was the arctic taiga Amerindians were living in between 29000BC to 16000BC approximately.

Amerindians have more civilization potential than europeans.
?

Based

sad

Is this a meme magapedes use to mock someone?

its the opposite you nigger

Nice user, never heard about these american bog bodies before, in return here is a sanity destructive ceramic from western mexico

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I only see a post full of butthurt...

>ywn see them fight

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>It is one of the finest things in the world to see them in war in their squadrons, because they move with perfect order, and are splendidly attired, and make such a fine appearance that nothing could be better.

>ywn see them in their feather suits

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>>A famous Tlaxcaltec warrior, Tlahuicole, prefered to die in gladiatorial combat than return to his country as a spared man. He finally met his end at the sacrificial stone after killing 8 warriors and defeating 20 more.

>ywn know just how insane their flower wars were

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>ywn listen to an aztec speech

Where are you going? Where are you going?
To war, to the sacred water.
There our mother, Flying Obsidian,
dyes men, on the battlefield.

Oh Mactlacueye, oh Macuil Malinalli!
War is like a flower.
You are going to hold it in your hands.

You who are in the struggle:
I am anxious for a death
from sharp obsidian.
Our hearts want nothing but a war death.

Sacred crazy flowers,
flowers of bonfires,
our only ornament,
war flowers.

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The battle is there, the beginning of the battle is
in the open fields, the smoke of the warriors winds around
and curls upward from the slaughter of the flowery war,
you friends and warriors of the Chichimecs.

The cloud rises upward, rising into the blue sky
of the Giver of Life; there blossom forth prowess and daring,
there, in the battle field, come the children (nobles) to maturity.

Let us rejoice, dear friends, and may ye rejoice,
O children, within the open field, and going forth to it,
let us revel amid the shield-flowers of the battle.

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>ywn see tenochtitlan

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Development of civilizations based on metallurgy can't really be applied to the Americas. Their societies were pretty highly developed even with limited use of copper and bronze. Using these models is not only eurocentric (bias) but will yield objectively poor understanding of American civilizations. What happened on the Eurasian continent is not comparable to the Americas nor is their development. They developed in their own ways. As an example how long did it take Anglos to write the English language down into a written form? 5th century, even if we take into consideration the Elder Futhark from which it derived from Germanic tribes, it's still the 2nd century. The Maya script is still 400 years older (based on archeological evidence).

>Could the spanish have conquered Mesoamerica without native help
You mean if literally every single native inhabitant of MesoAmerica had resisted in force against the Spanish with no cooperation or acquiescence at all?
No. That would be impossible, and it would require absolute genocide with the level of technology Spain had at the time.
However this is more or less what the British accomplished in the 13 colonies, where cooperation was at a minimum, but superior firearms technology allowed the colonists to more or less tell any natives to fuck off. However there was still trade and deals and alliances a plenty going on, even in the British colonies.

Although political scientists attribute the difference between the British colonies and the Spanish colonies to religious/cultural differences between being colonized by a Protestant as opposed to a Catholic nation, I'm convinced the main difference is that British colonies had anti-miscegenation laws, whereas the Spanish didn't really care, leading to a citizenry of Mestizos throughout Latin America, incapable of self-government even today.

>Although political scientists attribute the difference between the British colonies and the Spanish colonies to religious/cultural differences between being colonized by a Protestant as opposed to a Catholic nation, I'm convinced the main difference is that British colonies had anti-miscegenation laws
why are whites so retarded?

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I don't know. How about showing me a single functioning Latin American country.
Yes. The Aztecs built a nice big stone age city through absolute brutality and by enslaving everyone around them. Cool. Doesn't mean they aren't all still sub 80 I.Q. retards.

>big stone age city
yet they had better engineering than the spaniards

>They agreed to work at it viribus et posse, and began at once to divide the task between them, and I must say that they worked so hard, and with such good will, that in less than four days they constructed a fine bridge, over which the whole of the men and horses passed. So solidly built it was, that I have no doubt it will stand for upwards of ten years without breaking —unless it is burnt down — being formed by upwards of one thousand beams, the smallest of which was as thick round as a man's body, and measured nine or ten fathoms (16.8-18m) in length, without counting a great quantity of lighter timber that was used as planks. And I can assure your Majesty that I do not believe there is a man in existence capable of explaining in a satisfactory manner the dexterity which these lords of Tenochtitlan, and the Indians under them, displayed in constructing the said bridge: I can only sav that it is the most wonderful thing that ever was seen.
- Fifth Letter of Relation by Cortes to Charles V about his expedition to present-day Honduras, 1500km away from the Aztec supply lines

With 1086 posts, U Bein, the longest wooden bridge in the world is 1.2 km long. It took 2 years to build, and they got the wood by disassembling an old palace located nearby.

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even the dutch and german engineers the spanish brought a century later couldn't solve the flooding problems nor repair their hydraulic systems

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>through absolute brutality and by enslaving everyone

>Guzman's troops everywhere committed terrible depredations. The first province he marched through was Mechoacan, the inhabitants of which still possessed abundance of gold, though not of the finest quality, as it contained a considerable alloy of silver, for which reason Guzman compelled them to contribute a larger amount. Casonci, the principal cazique of the province, boldly refused to give him so great a quantity of gold as he demanded, wherefore Guzman ordered him to be tortured, by pouring hot oil over his feet; but as the unfortunate cazique, notwithstanding all the torments he endured, still remained firm to his purpose, he was ordered to be hung.
- The True History of the Conquest of New Spain by Bernal Diaz del Castillo, CXCVII

>One time I saw four or five of the principal lords roasted and broiled upon these gridirons.
>Also I think that there were two or three of these gridirons, garnished with the like furniture, and for that they cried out pitifully, which thing troubled the Captain that he could not then sleep: he commanded to strangle them. The Sergeant, which was worse than the hangman that burned them
>behaving them as savage beasts, the slaughterers and deadly enemies of mankind: they taught their Hounds, fierce Dogs, to tear them in pieces at the first view, and in the space that one may say a Credo, assailed and devoured an Indian as if it had been a swine.
- Bartolomé de las Casas

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>According to the Spanish the Aztecs sacrificed 10 000 children every year, yet only 42 sacrificed children have been found in the most important temple of the empire. 42 children in 200 years. On the exact same spot the Spanish massacred 8 000 - 10 000 unarmed nobles and their children in a couple of hours starting the war with the Aztecs.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_in_the_Great_Temple

>While Hernán Cortés was in Tenochtitlan, he heard about other Spaniards arriving on the coast – Pánfilo de Narváez had come from Cuba with orders to arrest him – and Cortés was forced to leave the city to fight them. During his absence, Moctezuma asked deputy governor Pedro de Alvarado for permission to celebrate Toxcatl. But after the festivities had started, Alvarado interrupted the celebration, killing almost everyone present at the festival, men, women, and children alike. Unarmed and trapped within the walls of the Sacred Precinct, an estimated 8,000–10,000 Aztec nobles were killed.

>At this time, when everyone was enjoying the celebration, when everyone was already dancing, when everyone was already singing, they came to close the exits. At that moment, they then attacked all the people, stabbing them, spearing them, wounding them with their swords. They struck some from behind, who fell instantly to the ground with their entrails hanging out [of their bodies]. They cut off the heads of some and smashed the heads of others into little pieces. They struck others in the shoulders and tore their arms from their bodies. They struck some in the thighs and some in the calves. They slashed others in the abdomen and their entrails fell to the earth. There were some who even ran in vain, but their bowels spilled as they ran; they seemed to get their feet entangled with their own entrails.

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>by enslaving everyone around them
the spanish literally just seized the aztec system and made slavery hereditary and freedom unobtainable, unlike the aztecs
tarlton.law.utexas.edu/aztec-and-maya-law/aztec-social-structure

and when the priests tried to make it non hereditary the spanish started to make indians work +20 hours a day

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Laws
>Legacy
>Finally, in 1545, the rule stating that the encomienda system would no longer be hereditary was revoked, and the place of the encomienda system was again secure.

>Doesn't mean they aren't all still sub 80 I.Q. retards.
and yet

>The Aztec Triple Alliance, which ruled from 1428 to 1521 in central Mexico, is considered to be the first state to implement a system of universal compulsory education.[4][5]

>The children of workers received vocational training in the more relaxed telpochcalli, the “houses of youth” established in every district. The teachers were professionals, but priests played a part. From these institutions, children could go home frequently. Yet they, like those in the calmécac, received ample instruction in morality and natural history through homilies which they often learned by heart, and of which some survive. “Almost all,” wrote a good observer in the 1560s, “know the names of all the birds, animals, trees and herbs, knowing too as many as a thousand varieties of the latter, and what they are good for.”39 A strong work ethic was inculcated: and children were told that they had to be honest, diligent and resourceful.

>It has also been suggested that the Spanish conquest of Mesoamerica influenced the history of the botanical garden[14] as gardens in Tenochtitlan established by king Nezahualcoyotl,[18] also gardens in Chalco (altépetl) and elsewhere, greatly impressed the Spanish invaders, not only with their appearance, but also because the indigenous Aztecs employed many more medicinal plants than did the classical world of Europe.[19][20] Hernando Cortés reportedly told the Spanish monarch that the Aztec physicians were superior to those in Spain, so superior, in fact, that the king need not bother sending Spanish physicians to the New World. Statement later confirmed in a early letter by the personal physian of the Spanish monarch who spent 7 years studying the Aztec medicine in a research trip that was expected to last 6 months.

Except Amerindians had a higher development rate than europeans.
Therefore, Amerindians have more civilization potential than europeans.

awful feeling.

Probably was a unique one of a kind city in the world.

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It's a meme embarrassed /pol/ magapedes use to mock reddit magapedes, even though they were both the same barely two years ago

Obviously bait you autists

>certainly everyone hated the aztecs, but the spanish didn't start a unified revolt of all the empire against their evil sacrificers
>everyone in mesoamerica practiced sacrifice

According to WH Prescott, even the other human-sacrifice cultures were disturbed by just how much the Aztecs did it. More gentle rulers, like Nezahualcoyotl of Tezcuco, were loath to institute the practice just a generation or so before the Spanish arrived, but the religious influence of the Aztecs was too much to resist. The people were apparently convinced that it was a necessary practice -- maybe because the nation that sacrificed most prolifically was indisputably the most powerful.

So the other cultures in the area didn't necessarily hate the Aztecs for sacrificing, so much as for trying to sacrifice THEM, and making them pay out the ass after the fact. More just, less cruel (but still warlike) cultures also conquered lots of lands, but Montezuma instituted abusive tax regimes on newly-added towns that were apparently intolerable. He then used these proceeds pretty much just for enriching himself and his exceptionally lavish court rather than extending the fair administration of his sophisticated and growing empire. Little wonder that when the Spanish arrived, half of Mexico thought better to throw in with them, than to endure under the current administration. Throw the bums out! Drain the lake!

>According to WH Prescott
not a bad source, but quite outdated in a few regards

>More gentle rulers, like Nezahualcoyotl of Tezcuco, were loath to institute the practice just a generation or so before the Spanish arrived
woah
almost sounds like some tezcocan mestizo would invent that to make the tezcocan faction led by ixtlilxochitl ii look devote to the christian values of the spanish conquest instead of a revenge against moctezuma ii for denying him the throne, but that'd be too crazy haha

Yeah, no. Advances in metallurgy completely changed any civilization that developed them. It's true that other things were, relatively, independent of these advances. Such as herbal medicine, and masonry. But the fact is you can only become so advanced as a whole without developing more advanced metalworking.

Bold claims. Do you have anything to back that up. Or better yet, could you define what "civilization potential" means?

>The Aztecs built a nice big stone age city through absolute brutality and by enslaving everyone around them. Cool. Doesn't mean they aren't all still sub 80 I.Q. retards
You're the type who boasts about western civilization until nonwhites start doing the exact same thing.