Shintoism is what every religion should strive to be

Shintoism is what every religion should strive to be.

>no holy text
>focuses on traditions that strengthen the community/nation
>focuses on the here and now, not on what happens in the afterlife
>teaches you to respect the nature around you
>doesn't try to force the religion onto "infidels"
>therefore no wars because of religion
and it still teaches you morals

Religions that don't do this like Christianity, Islam and Judaism are the reason for most of the wars in world history.

If everyone would follow ethnic/traditional religions there would be way less wars and people would focus on being in peace with their community and with nature.

It would also lead to people being more nationalistic as ethnic religions are limited to their ethnic groups or nations.

You need to realize that world religions are destructive, because they don't recognize other religion and want to force their own religion onto others.
They are inherently destructive.
Ethnic religions are inherently peaceful

There needs to be a resurgence of ethnic religions in the west, it's the only way we can save it.

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Removing abrahamic religions would end the fifth column attack and degradation that every civilization has experiences. This would also change the power dynamic of the world and a lot of players would rather keep the status quo, how do you death with the Saxe-Gotha-Coburgs and Rothschilds when they want everything to remain as is

death=deal*

All this Buddhism, Shintoism, Taoism may be interesting, but will only lead ultimately to Hell. You may achieve "inner peace" and "zen" during lifetime, but what good it is if you are going to eternal damnation despite all of that? Think twice kids.

>if you are going to eternal damnation
that's a Tribe of Snakes (Dan) concept to frighten people into following their religions

Only Abrahamic religions are the problem. Those are the ones that worship Satan. Sad thing is, your average follower isn't even aware of it.

Hell only exists on earth fearfag.
Immortality is passing on your genes and building heaven on earth.

You have been convinced of an artificial sense of right and wrong and what the consequences are instead of developing your own sense.

Isn't like 40%+ of japanese men between 18 and 30... virgins?
Not really ''traditional'' if you ask me.

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APATHEISM IS THE TRUE REDPILL

I highly respect the nips for their resistance to the bastard jew god desu.

here come the christ slaves

not an argument.

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Let me tell you this: I have seen the Prince of Darkness, and he is nothing to be messed with.
He is much stronger than you ever thought.

Buddha, Lao-Tze, Budai: they are all burning in Hell currently among their followers.

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fear the samurai

Again.
"SINGLE"Japanese men's 40% are virgin.
Can you into math?

also Japanese women are same too.
what's matter for you?

B-but my kike on a stick is BASED g-guys!

Hahaha yea dude, gotta have premarital sex to be traditional!!!!!!! yeah bro!!!!!!!!! yeah!!!!!!!!! yeah!!!!!!!!!!!

>blocks your path

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>thread moved here from /pol/

/pol/ mods are their own level of stupid I tell you what

"Christianity threads are political" but talking about any other religion is not

Focusing on what comes in the afterlife instead of focusing on the present is pretty stupid desu.
Do you know why Europe only managed to pick themselves up and actually achieve something after the medieval times?
Because before that people only lived for the afterlife.
They thought life on earth is suffering and useless, so why should they try to achieve something?

Shinto is nothing special, it's just Korean/ tungusic shamanism with cuter clothes.

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holy shit lmao
based nips

>Religions that don't do this like Christianity, Islam and Judaism are the reason for most of the wars in world history.
no shit, they were made up by the jews

>unmarried men are virgins
Those sick Japs

>ethnic religions are inheritently peaceful
lmao, there are no outspoken taboos against genocide and it shows in history. A cult being connected to a people and state makes it enforcement over vanquished foes a tool of control if the priesthood is ok with it.
It depends a lot on the people who practize it.
>Japan decided in the 1930s to make the Koreans become more loyal to the Emperor by requiring Korean participation in the State Shinto devotions, and by weakening the influences of both Christianity and traditional religion.
>and traditional religion
Such religions are rather down to earth tho in their general aspirations and ways to deal with living on this hurtful world.

>ethnic religion
Trying to distance yourself from "pagans" by declining that word and instead focus on folk/ethnic religion might keep the eso-wiccans and universalistic boomercucks away which utterly swamped this.
I need to get my hands on a translation of the lex ripuaria some day, its laws utterly btfo all those hippies.

Firno Situ-bunch of cringelords or good people with some genuine beliefs?

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>moved to Veeky Forums
what a retard

>therefore no wars because of religion
Shintoism is a statecucked religion which the Japanese used to justify sell authoritarian rule and Imperial Expansion to its citizens.

Try again.

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They shouldnt have commercialised the cockfestival. Now the cockgod is sad and has had receded his fertile blessings!

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I'm confused.
What's non-traditional about remaining chaste outside wedlock?

So does the Yoruba religion
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoruba_religion

BASED Afrogods desu

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Alright, I guess you can't say that ethnic/traditional religions are only peaceful, but they are damn sure more peaceful than abrahamic religions.

The reason for that is obvious.
No proselytization.
Focus on yourself not others.

Jews have fought wars but never holy wars.
Trying to convert others is strictly forbidden for jews.

Obviously, there's a lot of fighting in the middle east right now, but I think that has more to do with geopolitics than religion

>Religions that don't do this like Christianity, Islam and Judaism are the reason for most of the wars in world history.
That is complete unadulterated bullshit though and you are a retard for simply entertaining that idea.

explain the sicarii and the massacre of roman civilian then

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Being a virgin in Japan ins't a decision based on ''purity'', but a lack of interest in relationships all together.

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And then they complain about American education

Shinto by itself isn't so interesting, but the way it was merged with Buddhism and Taoism is far more unique.

You have this whole array of native gods, bodhisattvas, Buddhas, spirits and immortals to worship.

>No holy text so people can use Shinto beliefs to justify the un-human punishments Japs use
>"Hur dur traditions are better than that silly theology and salvation stuff"
>Religious wars are bad
user the Japan is one of the worst civilizations in history. China is ten times better.

>sicarii and the massacre of roman civilian

I think the sicarii probably would've probably identified themselves as freedom fighter -- as opposed to crusaders

the romans didn't conquer judea for religious reasons. you can't really call any of the associated fighting a holy war

jews don't get any special after life benefits for dying in war. judaism puts life above all else -- there are jewish martyrs but there's isn't a hard or fast rule about choosing your belief in god over your life. if some one puts a gun to your head and tells you to convert, its complicated what you should do

>Christianity, Islam and Judaism are the reason for most of the wars in world history.
Stopped reading, thanks, bye.

We need some sort of western shintoism. Abandon the canon and treat the bible like paradise lost and the divine comedy. Throw in some Gnosticism for good measure. Turn it into a thing about western identity and tradition, kinda what neo nazis try to do with their paganism, but less cringy.

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>No proselytization
Well, again in an imperialist framework people such as manchus and romans usually tried to force people to acknowledge some imperial cult over their local traditions in order to connect spiritual life with state legitimacy.
This could count as proselytization as you get forced to do X rite at Y times with certain laws.
Still, much more malleable and flexible then abrahamic religions with their fixed texts from which all interpretation stems, so they can also be accomodating and humble.
I dont know of any ethnic religion that made war for its own sake, but warlike people had ethnic relgions that supported their actions as godsgiven reality of life. I guess its rather futile to try and put them all in the same basket.
In this way you could say that the staunchness of abrahamic religion to defend certain moral claims (value of the individual soul under god, no human sacrifiece, the ability to repent for sins) over millenia speaks for them even though their willingness to escalate tensions over details that blemish their proclaimed absolute truth can bear strange fruits.

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Animistic religions have their flaws too :

- Sacrifices

Ethnic religions have their flaws too :

- Nepotism
- Tribalism

>Sacrifices
Not a flaw really.
Excess food and life is devoured in astoundishing amounts by industrialised society, killing in a sacral context gives more dignity to the slain while you could argue that nuns and monks deciding to be childless could be regarded as a form of sacrifiece too.

>Tribalism
Welcome to anthropology.

>>Thread already has a boring christfag stirring shit up.
Typical

Anyway, OP. Doesn't it on some level bother you that most people in modern Japan don't really believe any of the shinto gods/goddesses actually exist? Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of religion as excuse to party and have fun + a nice source of various kinds of entertaining fiction but surely there are at least some people who would be upset by the lack of sincere belief?

>un-human punishments
But user, thats very human. No animal would ever get such ideas.

Cool are you an anthropologist? Is is ethical for anthropology to inform or even dictate politics? (Like and other are suggesting.)

Most neopagans aren't nazis. Just saying.

Thats the story of most industrialised oldworldcountries.

Im not an anthropologist but I am interested in the subject.
>Is it ethical
I would argue it fits best to us, the fact that you have nations in the current year whose borders follow cultural lines is an example of it already dictating our lives. Hell, proper understanding of such mechanisms could even empower smaller minorities who manage analyse themselves and can thus reform themselves in order to adapt to modernity or be apologetic in the face of it if desired.
A state imposing spirituality without some genuine demand for it will fail though, im more worried about states using anthropologic mechanisms to manipulate their society in far more subtle ways over long amount of times.
"Nudge theory" is applied by our government in germany, its not really a conspiracy theory as several newspapers questioned it until it got swallowed by the next media hype.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nudge_theory

shintoism never stopped any nip civil war or they becoming an aggresive imperialist power in the first half of the 20th century

>Not a flaw really.
Sometimes it can be extended to human being, it happened in shintoism, in Hindouism, in celtic religions and a lot of African animism.

If you are interested by spiritual anthropology, here is 2 books that I recommend :

- Possession, ecstasy and Laws in Ewe Voodoo

- Death and the Invisible Powers: The World of Kongo Belief

I sometimes skip through papers and blogs but thats it, you read both? The first one seems more specialised.

Human sacrifiece once served as an important stepstone towards hierachy and greater organisation in groups some researchers claim.
They catalogized a hundred or more isolated papuan tribes and found out that the ones that were more egalitarian hunter gatherer types almost never felt it was necessary to kill one of their own while the hut dwelling societies with a strict hierachy usually did so.
In a time where primitive society was fractured in families only, killing a wrongdoer or disruptor of peace would have escalated in a neverending bloodfeud between the executioners relatives and the ones who lost one of their own.
The moment were you couldnt really be out for vengeance as the hierachy could kill you or one of your own for a higher power that was invincible, you had to submit to primitive but finally common laws.

Societies that were already so saturated and familiar with hierachy and social order that life without it became unthinkable or scoffed at as barbaric could emancipate themselves from human sacrifiece eventually when the law became more complex and the families weaker before the state.
The jews, chinese and romans managed to do so, the phonecians and ameriindians were still too attached to it for reform it seems.
Human sacrifiece did us a favour in archaic times, but we dont need such brutal tools anymore.

CARING ABOUT A SOCIETY IS STUPID

Let's say you're the president of India or Uganda.

How do you reduce human sacrifices in your country?

We always live in societies, so caring about them is far from stupid.

You have the police arrest them.

Shinto is cool because you have gods and they fight danmaku battles.

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Alevism is akin to Shinto and is "Islamic"

>India
Just business as usual, its just a few crackpots at this point as far as I know who get condemned by hindu clergy already and arrested by police.
You have peopel dying from evangelical exorcisms too, but noone really cares as its such a fringe practize that has been ruled out already by everyone of prominence.

>Uganda
I think there is more important stuff on their mind then some bumfuck hillybillys doing a sacrifiece.
If Wakanda gets real and this becomes a cause of concern you can always go there and tell them to use a puppet instead with an education campaign about harmful traditions and how other people before them dealth with it until abolishment so they can understand that most animists today dont do so, can repeat a nonlethal form or after some time after this education took effect, choose jail/execution by whatever ugandan laws are in place.
In bolivia or some other latinamerican country they let some indios unpunished after they killed someone after an earthquake as they were deemed to be too isolated from the rest of society to understand the moral implications of their actions in the face of a natural desaster they couldnt understand.

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But most neo-nazis are neo-pagans.

>Is is ethical for anthropology to inform or even dictate politics
I don't see why not, as politics are a human construct and anthropology is about studying such human constructs.

Jews don't go around looking for converts. In fact, they discourage goyim from joining unless they REALLY want to embrace Jewish culture and thought.

Who cares? neo-nazis are a fringe minority even in polytheist circles.

Hi /jp/. Nice to see you guys.

I think most of you guys talk about religion as if it should be the central point of a society.
It's certaintly not, that's mostly the government.

Religion should be something that follows you, brings people together and gives you and the people around you happiness.

If you see religion as something that supports your life rather than something being your life, you won't see radical stuff like sacrifices or martyrs.

Something like family traditions, but for a larger community.

For example, most of the Japanese people go to a Shinto or Buddhist shrine for a new years prayer/wish.
It's something so simple and doesn't really hold a lot of meaning for the average person I'd imagine, but it's something that gives you a feel of community which is in my opinion pretty important for a functioning society

'Shintoism' is a pretty problematic word. It implies that it is a structured religion being followed by the whole of the Japanese people, when in reality what you call 'Shinto' practices have long been diluted into cultural practices that Japanese people follow, not out of religious obligation but because that's what everyone does. No Japanese person is a 'Shintoist' anyway; they just follow the scramble of beliefs they were brought up with, mixed with random Buddhism here and there for better effect. The Japanese people are not a religious people by the western definition of it; they just get through secular lives with a little bit of reliance on gods here and there, rather than centring their entire lives on a god or religion.

Also, "no holy text" is certainly true in that Shintoism is not a rigidly codified set of beliefs, but there is the Kojiki for the creation myths, and shrines around the country often have explanatory texts that, if put together, would make what you call a 'holy text' for this set of beliefs.

Yes and that's exactly what a "religion" should be like.
Nothing too serious, but serious enough to teach you morals even if it does so subconsciously.
Like I said earlier, something like family traditions, but just for a larger community.

>focuses on the here and now, not on what happens in the afterlife
>teaches you to respect the nature around you

So in other words it doesn't focus on here and now

China is shit and I hope it falls apart soon.

China is and will always be the greatest, bitch, Europeans and Amerimutts are triggered because we're on the way if becoming the first world power.

of becoming*

june 4th Tiananmen Square massacre
天安门广场大屠杀

Confirmed for never having actually lived in china. The place is terrible outside of a few very specific cities.

When you move the goalpost and it’s still a retarded post

Disgusting secularist view of religion. Stop pretending you care.

good filter techniques

It more of a philosophy of life, Shintoism it's not a real religion.
You can be both Christian and follow the ways of Shintoism

Religion is dying anyways

Shinto is nothing more than a cultural expression of the same basic natural truths that have permeated all of human society up until around 2000 years ago.

There's no need to strive for a "shinto religion", just accept the reality of nature spirits and non-human entities and your society is more or less good to go.

If I work for good and still get dumped in hell because of my beliefs, then quite fGod doesn't deserve me.

*then quite frankly God
This extends to humankind as a whole.

>You can be both Christian and follow the ways of Shintoism

ive heard of hindus who start going to christian churches but still call themselves hindu and just add jesus christ to their list of gods they already follow.

>just accept the reality of nature spirits and non-human entities

does your average japanese person actually believe rivers and mountains have spirits in them or do they just go to shinto shrines and perform rituals out of cultural respect?

you know nothing of middle ages apart from hollywood movies