Do you agree with Hungary being punished for the crimes of Austria (in starting the war) and Germany (in expanding and...

Kek,hungarians were literal niggers and deserved what happened to them.

Do you have any facts to back that up?

Hungary did nothing wrong, especially after Yugoslavia proved that the Allies couldn't support anyone in Eastern Europe.

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me too tbhdesu. Not sure why, just like hungary and want to go to budapest

Horthy was a faggot traitor

Just gonna drop this here...

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No

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>traitor

To who? He was literally overthrown.

Of course he doesn't. He's just a very butthurt romanian shitposter who tries to project his own countrie's misery onto others.

To the rightful king. You don't know what he did when Charles IV requested to get reinstated on the Hungarian throne? There's a story behind the entire "kingdom ruled by an admiral" meme.

The allies should've partitioned it along logical borders where everyone would be satisfied

Though it's funny, Germany's borders after ww1 were the most logical(except for not allowing Austria to join) but they still sperged out over wanting Polish and Czech land. There's just no pleasing people.

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>Poland without Galicia-Volhynia
Wut

>share in defeat in a war Austria dragged you into
>lose some land
>to Czechoslovakia
>ok
>to Yugoslavia
>alri
>to Romania
>well...
>to Austria

OHNONONONONO

>To the rightful king. You don't know what he did when Charles IV requested to get reinstated on the Hungarian throne?

He told him that the Entente would have literally invaded if he claimed his crown. Because they would have, and Romania/Czechoslovakia made that explicitly clear on multiple occasions, with Britain and France giving them open support to do so.

Charles was an idiot trying to retake his throne so soon after the war. He tried to do it twice even before France invaded and occupied the Ruhr. The Entente was VERY into keeping Trianon and Versailles enforced at the time. If he waited even 10 years he would have had a better shot, and if he had waited 15 he could have very well been crowned King of Hungary again.

yeah, that was intentionally done to make Austria and Hungary mad at each other.

Later he supported the war. Stop lying.

It's not really punishment. Hungary just lost any legitimacy to claim those lands. The claim was a monarchical one and they had no monarch. How hard is that to understand? This Trianon obsession meme is retarded.

They technically had a monarchy until the 1940s, but fucked themselves in the ass when they told the actual legitimate king to get out.

>literally fighting communists to restore the Hungarian Kingdom
>together with 10 other countries
so what are you trying to show with that image again?

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>The claim was a monarchical one

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They weren't fighting to "restore the Hungarian Kingdom". They wanted an excuse to invade and loot Hungary.

>they told the actual legitimate king to get out.
>"Hey, you know the military powers that just beat our ass during the war? They said that if we put you back on the throne they'll invade immediately to remove you. I can't in good conscience allow the country to be invaded for this."
>"WHAT THE FUCK YO LET THE KING HAVE POWER FOR TWO DAYS BEFORE THEY HANG HIM THIS IS BULLSHIT"

>implying they were in any sort of position of telling the king what he can or cannot do

>steward of the country acting in the country's best interests

Clearly they were, because Carl left Hungary twice.

>They wanted an excuse to invade and loot Hungary.
lmao classic gypsies, i bet hungary had copper shortages after the romanians were done with them

>implying Poles from Cieszyn Silesia and the Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria ever shut up about how great Mother Austria and the Cysorz were

Romanians made up like 80% of the troops that fought there.

>goes on with abolishing the pragmatic sanction and erasing the last 200 years of history because you don't like the king
If you tell the rightful king to fuck off then you can't really claim to be a monarchy. Horthy's regime was just a generic authoritarian dictatorship LARPing as a kingdom.

>special treatment
What the fuck does this mean? Having your population inside your own borders is special treatment?

>you don't like the king
You're having a lot of trouble grasping this "Czechoslovakia and Romania would have invaded Hungary immediately under a legitimate casus belli to remove any Hapsburg retaking the Hungarian throne" thing. Hungary in 1920 and 1922 was not in ANY sort of position to resist a foreign invasion of that magnitude, especially not one that they'd be forced to stand alone against. Stop sucking Hapsburg dick and recognize the reality of the situation. Carl let his autism get the better of him when he waltzed back in not giving a shit how the world would react to him becoming king again. It was not feasible the first time he tried it and it still wasn't feasible the second time he tried. 1922 was too damn early.

the other user was saying the allies weren't allowing he return of Karl, whats so hard to get here?

>Trianon was harsh meme

Most of that land wasn't Hungarian in the first place except some border regions. Hungarians were extremely lucky to even get any of that from the Habsburgs and actually keep it for a few decades.
It's as if Poland somehow managed to get all the lands of the former Commonwealth Poland based on dubious "historical rights" and tried to claim that all of that land was a Polish nation state, then when they lose most of it they would cry about loosing "Polish" Kiev or "Polish" Livonia or why not even "Polish" Saxony.

>tfw becoming slight Hungaryaboo and start to get annoyed how much Veeky Forums shits on Hungary

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He told no lies, fuck off

Retard.

you literally picked one of the most JUST nations in modern European history to support, are you a masochist by any chance?

They had more than copper shortages after we were done with them.

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At first he opposed the war but later he agreed to start it you illiterate fuck.

he had no choice, retard. his austrian colleagues browbeat him into it. it was literally the whole (german cabinet) including berchtold and conrad, the chief warmongers against him in those meetings. Of course he felt like he had to concede just by peer pressure alone, and also because he was a germaboo as well. he well recognized though that a general war might wreck hungary because a conquest of serbia or annexation would exacerbate the slavic problem.

You're either an idiot Westerner or Roma spreading disinformation.
Transylvania is Hungarian land. Romanians migrated en masse there in the 15th century, outbreeding the natives. The land was built up by, administrated, and defended by Hungarians. Today, Romanian parents send their children to sleep with Hungarian fairytales in towns and cities that were majority Hungarian 120 years ago, before Trianon forced them to flee.
The same goes for Vojvodina and Transcarpathia.
Hungarians didn't have a right to Croatia, except via personal union with them.
The only one you're right about is Slovakia, but Hungarians treated them far better than the Czechs

>how much Veeky Forums shits on Hungary
>Veeky Forums shits on Hungary

Except there's always more people defending Hungary on Veeky Forums. Most history related forum in general are choke-full of Hungaryboos. After Poland, Hungary is probably the most liked country in Eastern-Europe by Westerners.

Why? Is it literally just Orban telling the EU 'no' that makes them like us?

Oran is such a meme. A corrupt and incompetent wannabe despot that barks at the EU in media, then strikes and felates the mightily german money phallus.

>picked one of the most BEAUTIFUL nations in modern Europe
FTFY

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How can anyone not be a Hungaryboo, honestly?

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It's okay if you're not a faggot American.

what are you smoking? Any Hungary thread is 90% staretd by mocking the shit out of hungary over Trianon or devolves as such. it then at best becomes shit flinging between actual hungarians and romanians/other east europeans.
>most liked
most Americans havent heard of hungary, apart from maybe orban and being populist n shit.
people actually tend to talk about the czech republic after poland in my experience

a great country fallen from grace

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Centenary soon bois shit's gonna be great pop the champagne

The Magyar horde and the Bulghar horde should share a border on the Danube river. Lets decide where on the river this should be!

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I'm not thankfully
I'm finding their history surprisingly interesting

Where does their history begin before they arrived in Europe? I've heard that it was in the Far East, like Mongolia and China

Black Sea Coast, and before that the Urals. They never lived in Mongolia or China.

I've heard Urals

I'm not talking about most Westerners, I'm most Westerners who have some interests in history and they almost always have a favorable opinion on Hungary. Medieval Hungary, 1848 rebellion, 1956 revolution, the "injustice" of Trianon are well know to history buffs who study European history.
I'm not even getting into the "based" Hungary image among far-right young men.
Hungary is a liked nation.
Why are you denying this? It's not even a bad thing or an accusation of some sort. Hungarians know how to promote their image abroad and this is laudable .

>Hungarians know how to promote their image abroad and this is laudable.
Fairly true

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The eternal Magyar was always a blight, Hungary should have been completely chopped up and given to it's neighbours

>have a feudal kingdom in the 20th century with 51% of it's population non Hungarian
>go into a war against the largest country on Earth allied with the most powerful colonial empires in human history
>ally with a deluded one handed cripple

Bonus:
>even if Germans win the war you can gain nothing as the government in Vienna stated multiple times that they do not wish a colonial empire

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>After Poland
I understand why people like Hungary but can't for the life of me figure out how can anybody like Poland.

What truly makes me angery about this is the hypocrisy of the Entente. What business do the British EMPIRE and the french, both nations with overseas colonies with thousands of opressed ethnic groups have preaching about ethnic self-determinism?

>feudal kingdom in the 20th century
Feudalism was abolished in 1848.

>whinged hussars
>Battle of Vienna
>Commonwealth
>anti-Nazi and anti-Soviet in WWII
>anticommunism and the Polish Pope

Disgustingly wrong
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Why do hungarians like to cry for pity all day and pretend they dindunuffin they good bois didn't start the war it was da ebil austrian but outside of trianon discussions they boast about being equals in the dual monarchy

>go into a war against the largest country on Earth
Lmao, Russia was almost as much of a joke as A-H

>Hungary needs to be partitioned, Slovaks, Romanians, Serbs and Croats don't belong in Hungary
>Austria needs to be partitioned, Czechs, Slovenes, Bosnians, Ukrainians don't belong in Austria
>Ottoman empire needs to be partitioned, Syrians, Arabs, Armenians, Kurds, Greeks don't belong in Turkey
>but BRITISH empire needs to stay intact, not only do the Scots and the Welsh belong in Britain but Indians and Pakis also do!
Anglos, everyone. Biggest hypocrites in the world.

Because it works. Their jews in the UN have destroyed our national image while promoting theirs.

the emperor had the final say in foreign matters, you are talking out of your ass

The Emperor was also King of Hungary you dunce.

Because the second is false. They didn't have enough power to break free so they were stuck with idiot Austrians in a huge empire. They just want to boast about having their name be half of the title.

And he was of austrian nationality. So the austrians started the war.

Hungarians are in the right tho

I bet you say Kosovo belongs to Serbia too, while you shit on Hungary

De jure but de facto it was still a feudal agrarian society.

>moving the goalposts
Stop talking about things you have no knowledge off you fucking idiot.

How are they in the right? They were on the aggressor's side and lost the war, territorial loss is to be expected. The hungarians that found themselves outside of Hungary should've been sent to Hungary like the germans post ww2 style.

What point are you even trying to make? Austrians purposefully kept Hungary agrarian, delaying industrialization. It was in Bohemia and Austria where all the factories were built

>agrarian
Yes
>feudal
No

>Austrians purposefully kept Hungary agrarian, delaying industrialization.
Maybe all the K.u.K. nostalgics on this board should hear this.

Quite the contrary, non-Hungarians should've been sent to their countries before the war

>They were on the aggressor's side
They fought to not be on the aggressor's side
>and lost the war
Due to sheer German autism
>Territorial loss is to be expected
Loss of land should never be so cruel
>The hungarians that found themselves outside of Hungary should've been sent to Hungary like the germans post ww2 style.
>t. American penis-enthusiast

>do you want war?
>no
>too bad because i do
>???

I agree, both solutions would've rendered null any territorial claims by other nations. The difference being that AH needed the slovaks/serbs/romanians since they were the majority in the contested lands. Kicking out the minority hungarians would be simply easier for everyone.

>Hungarians hate their King now

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>no knowledge off you fucking idiot
Nice arguments there.

So what? The point is that the society was not in shape to fight a war of that scale.

So what do you call it when 6% of the population are allowed to vote, every key position in the government is held by aristocrats and there is no constitution?

>non-democratic = feudal
Do you genuinely not know what serfdom is or are you just pretending to be retarded?

They hate Franz Ferdinand. He was a turboautist nationalist.

But it would be unjust because it's their land

stop posting, imbecile

He wasn't as much nationalist as he was anti-Hungarian.

>So what? The point is that the society was not in shape to fight a war of that scale.
lmao you should've told the Austrians

By what logic is it their land? Seniority? Being the oldest residents of a territory means little when you're outnumbered. See Kosovo as an angry hungarian mentioned earlier, historically serbian but now majority albanian. In fact it was an ottoman province for longer than it was serbian or albanian, does that mean it should be given to turks?