Why didn't people of Europe stand a chance against steppe invaders of Bronze Age?

I've yet to see any genetic evidence that shows PIE people leaving a mark on western Europe. Seems like they stopped at east Germany and their technology spread from there.

Probably because it's missing Southern Europe and the British isles

The recent Bell Beaker study said otherwise.

Because it's messy. It covers too much and most of those migration routes are purely hypothetical.

Because of its sudden appearance and almost complete local replacement, I would bet on a change in climate that favored pastorals over agriculturalists.

Yamna culture is counted as copper age, deal with it.

No. But they didn't expand much, Iberia calcolithic had no steppe admxiture and Ibera bronze age had only like 10% of it meaning there wasn't a replacement like in the British isles. Much of Italy wasn't invaded until the late bronze age when the Indoeuropean speakers living of the Terramare culture in the Po valley had to migrate south due to a drought that forced them to abandon all of their settlements, and they didn't impact Southerners much genetically and the Etruscans kept speaking their pre IE language until the Roman conquest, along with the Iberians

You do realize that Finns are among the most steppe derived people today, yet their male lineage was almost completely replaced by I hunter gatherer and N finnic men.

This image is misleading, the early Indoeuropeans who invaded in 3000-2000 bc didn't have swords let alone that type of grip tongue sword in your picture that looks like it belong in the 13-11th century bcc

>LBK farmers start genociding each other
>first "German" I1 is found among them
>Germans later become the destroyers of civilization
Makes you think.

There is an explanation for this, but I'm sure you've heard it before so I'll spare the thread from derailment by not posting it.

>steppe
It's actually because of their pre-steppe ancestry. Farmers never moved to Finland but local hunter gatherers probably mixed with EHG-like populations. Similar thing happened in the Baltics.

Civilization is a disease, Germanics are the cure.

Yes there is, PIE people got cucked by Finns the same way euro farmers got done in by the PIE themselves. Just a few men, I guess it was also a similar kind of change in climate or something as for steppe migrations.

Uralics probably bought Aryan slaves from other Aryans. It's impossible that Uralics enslaved any Aryans themselves

One Aryan tribe defeats and enslaves another Aryan tribe. The victorious tribe sells surplus Aryan slave women from the defeated tribe to virgin Uralics. These Uralic "men" have children with the Aryan women they bought. This process continues until the Uralics become overpopulated. They are forced to migrate into other shitty frozen wastelands since the Aryans block any potential expansion into hospitable lands in the south. Being forced to live in these cold and harsh conditions means that only the strongest children survive, and naturally these are the children born to superior Aryan women. This explains why Finnics are autosomally Aryan with Aryan mtDNA, while having mostly Finnic Y-DNA.

>The Linear Pottery (Linienbandkeramik, or LBK) culture which dominated central Europe between 5600 and 4900 BC was once depicted as peaceful and pioneering – farmers who cleared land and carved new communities out of the heavily-forested “wilderness”.

>This view began to crumble with the discovery in the late 1980s of a mass grave at Talheim in southern Germany, containing the remains of 34 men, women and children, many of whom showed evidence of lethal injuries caused by stone axes.

>A long trench at the site of Schöneck-Kilianstädten, central Germany, held the remains of at least 26 individuals, found commingled in a mass grave, again with evidence of multiple injuries showing no signs of healing. Most were caused by stone axes, but there were also arrowhead wounds. This was almost certainly a single event, again dating to around 5000 BC.
>Intriguingly, as at Asparn/Schletz, the graves contained no children aged 9-16 or young women. This suggests the capture of children and young women may have been one of the motivations for conflict, as it has been in more recently recorded societies around the world.
What did peaceful farmers mean by this?

>Rurik was N1c
>early Germans were I1
Your Aryan women were fucked by the superior original Northerners. Just deal with it, Aryan cuckboy.

But the diversity of the N lineages is quite low among Finns when compared to it's prevalence, so what you're saying is, these virgins were rich enough to buy and feed hundreds of aryan slave women? Try again Pajit.

>muh Rurik
Is this the Finnish equivalent of "muh dik"?

Finno-Ugrics would've never conquered North European and Eastern European cultures that came from Corded Ware. Another possibility is that they were simply destroyed by natural disasters like extreme cold. And that's when the FU moved in.

You clearly didnt read my original post where I said exactly that. You probably already snapped a vein at "MUH ARYANS GETTING KEKED"

Do we have any aDNA to confirm whether the original Finno-Ugrics were already a mix of West and East Eurasian lineages?

Wasn't half of central Asia and Siberia Indo-European? Based Asians exterminated Indo-Niggers.

Only men died from the cold? The women crawled inside their bodies to survive the cold long enough to get that finnish cock?

Those cuckold fantasies don't really work for me. Finno-Ugrics were caveman tier compared to Indo-European cultures.

So how do you explain them being y-chromosomally Siberian yet autosomally and mtDNA wise very much from the original ARYANS. How do you cope with that? How is that not the same as euro farmers getting keked?

Why would they go after Asiatic microcock?

The debate here is over. The Indo-Europeanness of Finns is from Indo-Europeans selling slaves. It's impossible that Indo-Europeans were "defeated" or "enslaved" outright by Uralics.

It was already explained in posts above. Finns in medieval era were less advaced than people of Bronze Age. And you're trying to claim that Finnic people dominated over Aryans of Europe? Nope.

So your view of world history trumps population genetics? How do you cope with it?

Many would also argue that when compared to the Euro farmers, the EHG were pretty much barbarian tier also.

Finns have been pretty wealthy huh. Or the price of an Aryan wasnt that much. Take your pic Pajeet.

Indo Europeans were from Ukraine and Russia, not from India.

>Finns are the most Indo European
source?

Thanks for owning up to your defeat.

>when compared to the Euro farmers, the EHG were pretty much barbarian tier also
Not sure why this is relevant since EHG weren't Indo-Europeans. Still, despite being "barbarians", Indo-Europeans were ruthless steppenigger warriors that conquered and massacred their way through half of Eurasia and at their peak were the dominant population stretching from Western Europe to Western China. Uralics were primitive and docile reindeer-fuckers that were and still are confined to the shitty frozen wastelands of North Eurasia.

Attached: west eurasia PCA.png (850x846, 140K)

Or perhaps they were so desparate for White pussy that they spent all of their savings on a few slaves? It explains why they continued to live in squalor for the next few millenia.

Uralics spread from one the earliest Chinese civilizations, the Liao civilization, and were not reindeer herders. Reindeer domestication is a very recent thing, possibly as recent as the middle ages.

It's a figure of speech then :^)

As I've said, the diversity does not support a theory of slow diffusion but a sudden local replacement. IE getting cuckolded.

No, it's just a testament to your ignorance.

Whatever gets you off

>t. said that EHG were Indo-Europeans

>AHAHA WE KEKED EURO FARMER VIRGINS AHAHAHA WE THE BEST

EHG male lineages that replaces the original farmer lineages.

Except EHG weren't Indo Europeans.

We only have Sargat from 1st early 1st millenium BC. It's still the oldest Uralic DNA.
There's 5 N1c and 2 R1a-Z93. All female lines are European except one Siberian which however was detected in Yamna culture as well.
researchgate.net/publication/321071660_Kinship_Analysis_of_Human_Remains_from_the_Sargat_Mounds_Baraba_Forest-Steppe_Western_Siberia

So? EHG predate the Indo-European expansion. Their level of primitivism relative to the farmers is completely irrelevant.

Yeah, indo-euros arent synonymous with EHG as Finns arent synonymous with Siberian right? Quit reaching at straws, you got cucked. By Siberian "cavemen". By those "virgins".

>you
Autism.

The difference is that Uralics have always been primitive igloo niggers while the dynamic Aryans advanced significantly from their humble primitive EHG origins.

What about the iron age Hungarian IR1? He was N-M231 and around 5% Siberian.

Yet you gave your women to them. To those savages. Just like you are doing now with middle easteners.

>Implying we give a fuck what the roasties to
Us IE men have better things to do then entertain the wishes of whores. We could have them but we let others have them because we do not care for their childish antics.

That's the "Balkan" or Serbian subclade which forms the deepest split inside N.
It was also found in RISE554 from BA Urals so it's probably not from Balkans originally.
There are certain stories about Serbs and Avars you know.

I wish we knew more about the Etruscan and pre-IE Iberian languages

Somehow missed this.
Liao didn't have N1c it had old types of N.
bmcevolbiol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2148-13-216
N1c does make an appearance but in the late bronze age barbarian culture. These guys came from the northwest and beat the shit out of locals like it usually went in China.
It could be the same N1c subclade as in Xiongnu elite burials and Yakuts.

What the fuck was their problem?

Attached: Globular_Amphora_Kowal_skull.png (1127x549, 280K)

What do you mean? They didn't do anything at all.

They got killed.

Bump

Redditors really ran this meme into the ground

Whatchu talkin' bout Willis?

>47 of the 70 individuals provided reproducible results. They were assigned into five different Y sub-haplogroups using diagnostic single nucleotide polymorphisms, namely N1 (xN1a, N1c), _N1c_, C/C3e, O3a (O3a3) and O3a3c.

>In the Dashanqian site, there were two subtypes of N1-M231: N1 (xN1a, N1c) and N1c-TAT. One of the nine Dashaqian samples was N1 (xN1a, N1c), and three were N1c (Table 1). N1 is particularly widespread in northern Eurasia, from the Far East to Eastern Europe. Its subtype, N1c, is found at low frequency but has high STR variability in northern China, suggesting that this region was N1c’s centre of expansion

There is definitely something wrong with LBK, l1 haplogroup and tendency to violence and genocide.

Dashanqian is LBA.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_Xiajiadian_culture
>Upper Xiajiadian bronzes were decorated with animal and natural motifs, which suggest possible Scythian affinities and indicate continued cultural contact and exchange across the Eurasian steppes.
>he Upper Xiajiadian culture placed less emphasis on permanent structures, preferring to reoccupy Lower Xiajiadian structures or reuse Lower Xiajiadian stones for building Upper Xiajiadian structures. The horse became important to the culture, as evidenced by the remains of horses and horse paraphernalia found at Upper Xiajiadian sites.[5] The culture also moved away from a centralized social organization, as no evidence for large public works has been discovered at Upper Xiajiadian sites.

Still Liao. Its like saying "nuh uh you aint european, youre french"

I don't follow. These people from the steppe pretty much destroyed whatever local culture they found there and you want to attribute it to them?
There is such a thing as Chinese/Japanese N1c but it forms an early split in the tree from European/Uralic/Yakut/Andra Pradesh N1c and this split long predates any civilization as there was no such thing in 10000 BC when they set forth to settle southern Siberia.
yfull.com/tree/N-TAT/

Supposedly Haplogrlups R1a ans R1b come from these "Aryan invaders".

>Supposedly